URGENT INFO NEEDED RE MEETING WITH DALMAN AND CHOO

Hi All

I will be putting questions to Dalman and Choo regarding the atmosphere and we have heard of at least two occasions where fans have been ejected unfairly for standing or over exuberance/celebration.

As amazing as it sounds, a fan was warned by police on the weekend for 'Over Celebrating' That person was shown a still from camera where he was identified . He is an OAP. A previous situation arose against Swansea, where the team absolutely needed our enthusiastic support, where I am informed that up to 12 people were ejected from the Ninian Stand for standing. I am yet to get the full facts of the official reasons, but it is this sort of approach to our support that is not only killing the atmosphere but also seeing us lose supporters where fans that have been ejected have said they will NOT RETURN.

I am asking on this thread whether anybody feels they have been unfairly ejected or warned as to their conduct within the ground, SPECIFICALLY ON THE BASIS OF STANDING OR CELEBRATING. We cant put forward ejections or warnings for matters such as chanting, however unfair you feel that is was. I am sure there would be a lot of sympathy, however there are certain chants that do stray close to the edge.

If you have situations where stewards have made unrealistic remarks regards behaviour, that is not only unfair but also gives clear evidence that such comments directly and negatively influence the atmosphere, please also provide details on here.

Any instances of any of the above behaviour, whether it was recently, or from the beginning of the season, please PM me. I will need your name in order that I can justify the claim if questioned further.

Thanks guys.

Our Tan Out movement is going to grow stronger, is not going away, and on behalf of the true supporters we will press and push the board and ensure that even the most uncomfortable questions are put to the board. Whether they answer them is another point.

Another March for Bristol would be good

Another March for Bristol would be good

Oh dont worry! If the board think we are quiet, then they have another thing coming!

But we are allowed to stand in the Canton, we don't they go there?

Hard to get tickets i suppose, so its the day trippers

Hi All

I will be putting questions to Dalman and Choo regarding the atmosphere and we have heard of at least two occasions where fans have been ejected unfairly for standing or over exuberance/celebration.

As amazing as it sounds, a fan was warned by police on the weekend for 'Over Celebrating' That person was shown a still from camera where he was identified . He is an OAP. A previous situation arose against Swansea, where the team absolutely needed our enthusiastic support, where I am informed that up to 12 people were ejected from the Ninian Stand for standing. I am yet to get the full facts of the official reasons, but it is this sort of approach to our support that is not only killing the atmosphere but also seeing us lose supporters where fans that have been ejected have said they will NOT RETURN.

I am asking on this thread whether anybody feels they have been unfairly ejected or warned as to their conduct within the ground, SPECIFICALLY ON THE BASIS OF STANDING OR CELEBRATING. We cant put forward ejections or warnings for matters such as chanting, however unfair you feel that is was. I am sure there would be a lot of sympathy, however there are certain chants that do stray close to the edge.

If you have situations where stewards have made unrealistic remarks regards behaviour, that is not only unfair but also gives clear evidence that such comments directly and negatively influence the atmosphere, please also provide details on here.

Any instances of any of the above behaviour, whether it was recently, or from the beginning of the season, please PM me. I will need your name in order that I can justify the claim if questioned further.

Thanks guys.

Our Tan Out movement is going to grow stronger, is not going away, and on behalf of the true supporters we will press and push the board and ensure that even the most uncomfortable questions are put to the board. Whether they answer them is another point.

Mr nash is a question to be raised as he instructs the stewards to do his bidding.

But we are allowed to stand in the Canton, we don't they go there?

Hard to get tickets i suppose, so its the day trippers

Get what you're saying, I'm in Canton because I want to stand all game but also I enjoy being behind the goal we're (normally) shooting towards in the second half.

But some want to stand and be next to the away fans or want to stand but like the side view of the pitch.

Don't tell me you can only have one stand that are standing up, because I've been to plenty of away games where they have at least two home stands standing up.

I still don't understand why the fans in Ninian next to the away fans can't stand. The away fans are standing and there's a huge gap now between the home fans and away fans.

So I don't see the issue that makes them stop those home fans standing up.


As for being threatened with ejection for "over celebrating", if there's any such thing, well that's just ridiculous.

Hi All

I will be putting questions to Dalman and Choo regarding the atmosphere and we have heard of at least two occasions where fans have been ejected unfairly for standing or over exuberance/celebration.

As amazing as it sounds, a fan was warned by police on the weekend for 'Over Celebrating' That person was shown a still from camera where he was identified . He is an OAP. A previous situation arose against Swansea, where the team absolutely needed our enthusiastic support, where I am informed that up to 12 people were ejected from the Ninian Stand for standing. I am yet to get the full facts of the official reasons, but it is this sort of approach to our support that is not only killing the atmosphere but also seeing us lose supporters where fans that have been ejected have said they will NOT RETURN.

I am asking on this thread whether anybody feels they have been unfairly ejected or warned as to their conduct within the ground, SPECIFICALLY ON THE BASIS OF STANDING OR CELEBRATING. We cant put forward ejections or warnings for matters such as chanting, however unfair you feel that is was. I am sure there would be a lot of sympathy, however there are certain chants that do stray close to the edge.

If you have situations where stewards have made unrealistic remarks regards behaviour, that is not only unfair but also gives clear evidence that such comments directly and negatively influence the atmosphere, please also provide details on here.

Any instances of any of the above behaviour, whether it was recently, or from the beginning of the season, please PM me. I will need your name in order that I can justify the claim if questioned further.

Thanks guys.

Our Tan Out movement is going to grow stronger, is not going away, and on behalf of the true supporters we will press and push the board and ensure that even the most uncomfortable questions are put to the board. Whether they answer them is another point.

Mr nash is a question to be raised as he instructs the stewards to do his bidding.

Most stewards hate him as he acts as a dictator towards them ..

But we are allowed to stand in the Canton, we don't they go there?

Hard to get tickets i suppose, so its the day trippers

Get what you're saying, I'm in Canton because I want to stand all game but also I enjoy being behind the goal we're (normally) shooting towards in the second half.

But some want to stand and be next to the away fans or want to stand but like the side view of the pitch.

Don't tell me you can only have one stand that are standing up, because I've been to plenty of away games where they have at least two home stands standing up.

I still don't understand why the fans in Ninian next to the away fans can't stand. The away fans are standing and there's a huge gap now between the home fans and away fans.

So I don't see the issue that makes them stop those home fans standing up.


As for being threatened with ejection for "over celebrating", if there's any such thing, well that's just ridiculous.

Ned, the information on the OAP who was warned by Police comes from a meticulous source.

But we are allowed to stand in the Canton, we don't they go there?

Hard to get tickets i suppose, so its the day trippers

Get what you're saying, I'm in Canton because I want to stand all game but also I enjoy being behind the goal we're (normally) shooting towards in the second half.

But some want to stand and be next to the away fans or want to stand but like the side view of the pitch.

Don't tell me you can only have one stand that are standing up, because I've been to plenty of away games where they have at least two home stands standing up.

I still don't understand why the fans in Ninian next to the away fans can't stand. The away fans are standing and there's a huge gap now between the home fans and away fans.

So I don't see the issue that makes them stop those home fans standing up.


As for being threatened with ejection for "over celebrating", if there's any such thing, well that's just ridiculous.

Ned, the information on the OAP who was warned by Police comes from a meticulous source.

Sorry, didn't mean what you were saying was ridiculous - just that a situation like that leading to them being warned is ridiculous.

But we are allowed to stand in the Canton, we don't they go there?

Hard to get tickets i suppose, so its the day trippers

It's not day trippers and we do stand at times as the game and play dictates. Many of us are in 117 as we like the atmosphere right next to the away fans and are all singers, lots of older heads like myself and youngsters, so a nice mix.

The guy who Jonny mentions is a well known great character and has folk in stitches and the away fans love it too as they all chant back at him, so no problem at all. Brum fans even videod him and posted it on YouTube as he's entertaining and a decent bloke too.

The real problem is Wayne Nash. The warning was on his instruction as the police said so. Nash also closed down part of 117 under the excuse that we were expecting more away fans but the real reason was that he doesn't want any interaction between home and away fans, and that interaction was always spirited but harmless plus the away fans enjoy it, the back and forth. He also threatened to ban a long standing fan for bringing in flags of teams that have beaten England in the Euros and WC. Again, the away fans loved to see it and would chant back and also our own fans found it hilarious which also added to the atmosphere.

Nash seems to think we are still in the 80s and 90s for some reason and is directly responsible for killing atmosphere creation, the Family Stand and Canton will never be swapped whilst he's here and we are the only ground in the country to have such a set up.

There are a couple of stewards in 117 who are also notorious for picking on youngsters who are making an effort although they never seem to want to approach adults for obvious reasons. Most stewards are OK though and even before 117 was partially closed by Nash, there was a great atmosphere but never ever any problems and I can personally vouch for that. He is a big problem for us and has used the "family club of the year" status to further his own career with Wales as their ops and security advisor whilst all the while trying to stamp out any efforts of creating a buzz at the CCS. Needs to change or go, as atmosphere is a boardroom issue as it affects performance, it was at Arsenal and treated as such under the request of Arteta which you can read about in the Athletic and Telegraph articles.

Nash appears to do the opposite of what a world class manager precisely wants to achieve and has achieved with initiatives such as the Ashburton Army, who have made a big difference.

But we are allowed to stand in the Canton, we don't they go there?

Hard to get tickets i suppose, so its the day trippers

Get what you're saying, I'm in Canton because I want to stand all game but also I enjoy being behind the goal we're (normally) shooting towards in the second half.

But some want to stand and be next to the away fans or want to stand but like the side view of the pitch.

Don't tell me you can only have one stand that are standing up, because I've been to plenty of away games where they have at least two home stands standing up.

I still don't understand why the fans in Ninian next to the away fans can't stand. The away fans are standing and there's a huge gap now between the home fans and away fans.

So I don't see the issue that makes them stop those home fans standing up.


As for being threatened with ejection for "over celebrating", if there's any such thing, well that's just ridiculous.

I am in the back of 115 and it didn't bother me, whilst we are crap and can't fill the mid-tier i can't see the issue of a block closer to the away fans being allocated either.
I just have a nagging feeling that those moaning the loudest only attend the big games and then expect us all to change for their three of four appearances.
But, A lot of of cliental are not in the best of health and up and down all game is a pain in the arse.

But we are allowed to stand in the Canton, we don't they go there?

Hard to get tickets i suppose, so its the day trippers

Get what you're saying, I'm in Canton because I want to stand all game but also I enjoy being behind the goal we're (normally) shooting towards in the second half.

But some want to stand and be next to the away fans or want to stand but like the side view of the pitch.

Don't tell me you can only have one stand that are standing up, because I've been to plenty of away games where they have at least two home stands standing up.

I still don't understand why the fans in Ninian next to the away fans can't stand. The away fans are standing and there's a huge gap now between the home fans and away fans.

So I don't see the issue that makes them stop those home fans standing up.


As for being threatened with ejection for "over celebrating", if there's any such thing, well that's just ridiculous.

I am in the back of 115 and it didn't bother me, whilst we are crap and can't fill the mid-tier i can't see the issue of a block closer to the away fans being allocated either.
I just have a nagging feeling that those moaning the loudest only attend the big games and then expect us all to change for their three of four appearances.
But, A lot of of cliental are not in the best of health and up and down all game is a pain in the arse.

I've been an ST for donkeys years as are I would say the majority of our section of 117 and I can assure you it's not just irregular walk ups who are most vocal on complaining. Even club staff (academy) who sit near me have complained about the over zealous stewarding at times and they agree the issue is Wayne Nash.

No other ground in the leagues has segregation as large as the two DMZs that we have at the CCS either. The formally closed part of 117 was opened for Swansea due to demand and again, there were no issues at all.

As said, Arteta made the lack of atmosphere at the Emirates a boardroom issue as it affects performance (his words, not mine) and it was successfully addressed. If he's identified and addressed it then the board needs to pull the former groundsman in and follow suit as evidenced.

But we are allowed to stand in the Canton, we don't they go there?

Hard to get tickets i suppose, so its the day trippers

It's not day trippers and we do stand at times as the game and play dictates. Many of us are in 117 as we like the atmosphere right next to the away fans and are all singers, lots of older heads like myself and youngsters, so a nice mix.

The guy who Jonny mentions is a well known great character and has folk in stitches and the away fans love it too as they all chant back at him, so no problem at all. Brum fans even videod him and posted it on YouTube as he's entertaining and a decent bloke too.

The real problem is Wayne Nash. The warning was on his instruction as the police said so. Nash also closed down part of 117 under the excuse that we were expecting more away fans but the real reason was that he doesn't want any interaction between home and away fans, and that interaction was always spirited but harmless plus the away fans enjoy it, the back and forth. He also threatened to ban a long standing fan for bringing in flags of teams that have beaten England in the Euros and WC. Again, the away fans loved to see it and would chant back and also our own fans found it hilarious which also added to the atmosphere.

Nash seems to think we are still in the 80s and 90s for some reason and is directly responsible for killing atmosphere creation, the Family Stand and Canton will never be swapped whilst he's here and we are the only ground in the country to have such a set up.

There are a couple of stewards in 117 who are also notorious for picking on youngsters who are making an effort although they never seem to want to approach adults for obvious reasons. Most stewards are OK though and even before 117 was partially closed by Nash, there was a great atmosphere but never ever any problems and I can personally vouch for that. He is a big problem for us and has used the "family club of the year" status to further his own career with Wales as their ops and security advisor whilst all the while trying to stamp out any efforts of creating a buzz at the CCS. Needs to change or go, as atmosphere is a boardroom issue as it affects performance, it was at Arsenal and treated as such under the request of Arteta which you can read about in the Athletic and Telegraph articles.

Nash appears to do the opposite of what a world class manager precisely wants to achieve and has achieved with initiatives such as the Ashburton Army, who have made a big difference.

Fully agree with this…!

I know the person concerned after the Derby game and he is both a loyal and long-standing supporter, who makes those around him laugh with his humour!

It’s nothing sinister, it’s nothing truly offensive, it’s good-humoured and gets a great reaction from the away support, who (unlike Mr Nash) appreciate a proper atmosphere at a ground

It is true, that away supporters get far better treatment than our own support and Mr Nash needs to be asked to explain his actions without hiding behind legislation that was intended to stop violent encounters and not atmosphere…!

Years ago at Brighton tickets were supposed to have been sent to the ground and never arrived.
Nash had 4 spares ( player freebies) and trousered money off us for them!

Hi All

I will be putting questions to Dalman and Choo regarding the atmosphere and we have heard of at least two occasions where fans have been ejected unfairly for standing or over exuberance/celebration.

As amazing as it sounds, a fan was warned by police on the weekend for 'Over Celebrating' That person was shown a still from camera where he was identified . He is an OAP. A previous situation arose against Swansea, where the team absolutely needed our enthusiastic support, where I am informed that up to 12 people were ejected from the Ninian Stand for standing. I am yet to get the full facts of the official reasons, but it is this sort of approach to our support that is not only killing the atmosphere but also seeing us lose supporters where fans that have been ejected have said they will NOT RETURN.

I am asking on this thread whether anybody feels they have been unfairly ejected or warned as to their conduct within the ground, SPECIFICALLY ON THE BASIS OF STANDING OR CELEBRATING. We cant put forward ejections or warnings for matters such as chanting, however unfair you feel that is was. I am sure there would be a lot of sympathy, however there are certain chants that do stray close to the edge.

If you have situations where stewards have made unrealistic remarks regards behaviour, that is not only unfair but also gives clear evidence that such comments directly and negatively influence the atmosphere, please also provide details on here.

Any instances of any of the above behaviour, whether it was recently, or from the beginning of the season, please PM me. I will need your name in order that I can justify the claim if questioned further.

Thanks guys.

Our Tan Out movement is going to grow stronger, is not going away, and on behalf of the true supporters we will press and push the board and ensure that even the most uncomfortable questions are put to the board. Whether they answer them is another point.

My advice would be to ask GrangeEndStar to get involved especially with this upcoming meeting.

His posts are always interesting, articulate and informative. He sees the bigger picture here and doesn’t just wear blinkers in my opinion.

That’s if he’s wanting to get involved of course.

But we are allowed to stand in the Canton, we don't they go there?

Hard to get tickets i suppose, so its the day trippers

It's not day trippers and we do stand at times as the game and play dictates. Many of us are in 117 as we like the atmosphere right next to the away fans and are all singers, lots of older heads like myself and youngsters, so a nice mix.

The guy who Jonny mentions is a well known great character and has folk in stitches and the away fans love it too as they all chant back at him, so no problem at all. Brum fans even videod him and posted it on YouTube as he's entertaining and a decent bloke too.

The real problem is Wayne Nash. The warning was on his instruction as the police said so. Nash also closed down part of 117 under the excuse that we were expecting more away fans but the real reason was that he doesn't want any interaction between home and away fans, and that interaction was always spirited but harmless plus the away fans enjoy it, the back and forth. He also threatened to ban a long standing fan for bringing in flags of teams that have beaten England in the Euros and WC. Again, the away fans loved to see it and would chant back and also our own fans found it hilarious which also added to the atmosphere.

Nash seems to think we are still in the 80s and 90s for some reason and is directly responsible for killing atmosphere creation, the Family Stand and Canton will never be swapped whilst he's here and we are the only ground in the country to have such a set up.

There are a couple of stewards in 117 who are also notorious for picking on youngsters who are making an effort although they never seem to want to approach adults for obvious reasons. Most stewards are OK though and even before 117 was partially closed by Nash, there was a great atmosphere but never ever any problems and I can personally vouch for that. He is a big problem for us and has used the "family club of the year" status to further his own career with Wales as their ops and security advisor whilst all the while trying to stamp out any efforts of creating a buzz at the CCS. Needs to change or go, as atmosphere is a boardroom issue as it affects performance, it was at Arsenal and treated as such under the request of Arteta which you can read about in the Athletic and Telegraph articles.

Nash appears to do the opposite of what a world class manager precisely wants to achieve and has achieved with initiatives such as the Ashburton Army, who have made a big difference.

Agree with all that thats why i said the question needs to be asked
I was hoping to have seen him on the march when we entered the stadium car park but i never had the opportunity to tell him something i needed to say to him directly
Lrts hope this dictator can be removed from his post and f.ck.d off to go and manage the egg stadium.

No diffrent to Wales away games, reduces the number of tickets for Wales fans. Been in away ends that are half empty due to "concerns about ground safety", Split being one of those games.

It’s crazy to think just how many more points we could potentially have picked up, if an atmosphere wasn’t trying to be doused out of the stadium.

Our second half against the JBs are a prime example of how a stadium all supporting the lads can make the difference.

It’s massively important for any team to see the fans behind them, and that isn’t being allowed for one simple reason, Wayne Nash.

‘Family Club of the Year’ has been held on to for far too long now and as has already been said, when 117 has been opened up due to demand there has been no issues.

Please bring up the swapping canton with the grange situation, it needs to be done. You could reference Reading and note how the atmosphere in the Madjeski has significantly improved since the change.

Please bring up the swapping canton with the grange situation, it needs to be done. You could reference Reading and note how the atmosphere in the Madjeski has significantly improved since the change.

You'll win the lottery first.

I think the locking of fans in the ground at half time is disgusting. I left my phone in the car 1 game last year, and was refused entry back into the ground after going to fetch it. And I’m a season ticket holder of 20 yrs running. I believe fans should be allowed in and out whenever they want and it’s against human rights as such to keep us herded in. All so they can sell extra in the ground and over price fans for food and drink

I think the locking of fans in the ground at half time is disgusting. I left my phone in the car 1 game last year, and was refused entry back into the ground after going to fetch it. And I’m a season ticket holder of 20 yrs running. I believe fans should be allowed in and out whenever they want and it’s against human rights as such to keep us herded in. All so they can sell extra in the ground and over price fans for food and drink

You can't leave the stadium grounds at any stadium in the Premier League and EFL - that's not a rule just for our stadium. You can go outside to smoke or vape but it's cordoned off showing you as far as you can go.

I guess it's do with security, I don't know.

But that won't be changing.

But we are allowed to stand in the Canton, we don't they go there?

Hard to get tickets i suppose, so its the day trippers

Get what you're saying, I'm in Canton because I want to stand all game but also I enjoy being behind the goal we're (normally) shooting towards in the second half.

But some want to stand and be next to the away fans or want to stand but like the side view of the pitch.

Don't tell me you can only have one stand that are standing up, because I've been to plenty of away games where they have at least two home stands standing up.

I still don't understand why the fans in Ninian next to the away fans can't stand. The away fans are standing and there's a huge gap now between the home fans and away fans.

So I don't see the issue that makes them stop those home fans standing up.


As for being threatened with ejection for "over celebrating", if there's any such thing, well that's just ridiculous.

I am in the back of 115 and it didn't bother me, whilst we are crap and can't fill the mid-tier i can't see the issue of a block closer to the away fans being allocated either.
I just have a nagging feeling that those moaning the loudest only attend the big games and then expect us all to change for their three of four appearances.
But, A lot of of cliental are not in the best of health and up and down all game is a pain in the arse.

I've been an ST for donkeys years as are I would say the majority of our section of 117 and I can assure you it's not just irregular walk ups who are most vocal on complaining. Even club staff (academy) who sit near me have complained about the over zealous stewarding at times and they agree the issue is Wayne Nash.

No other ground in the leagues has segregation as large as the two DMZs that we have at the CCS either. The formally closed part of 117 was opened for Swansea due to demand and again, there were no issues at all.

As said, Arteta made the lack of atmosphere at the Emirates a boardroom issue as it affects performance (his words, not mine) and it was successfully addressed. If he's identified and addressed it then the board needs to pull the former groundsman in and follow suit as evidenced.

I love this post and especially the use of DMZs. Bravo.

Get this guy involved.

Atmosphere won't improve until Wayne Nash is gone, sadly. He's dead set against any form of interaction between home and away fans. Most clubs move singing sections next to away supporters to create atmosphere but we do the complete opposite. Instead he lets kids in the Family Stand receive abuse every game. Disgusting that fans are getting ejected/banned for enjoying themselves. Don't get me wrong, I love the Canton Stand, but CCS will always be seen as a library until the Canton/Grange swaps and they let supporters in 117/118 stand.

Perhaps our next protest should be aimed at nash,
i can adjust my Tan out banner to nash out with a bit of tape.
Its about time fans turned there attention on this guy as he seems to be directly making the day a bad experience for fans
And oerhaps this should be one of the first question to dalhman is he going to do an alan sugar
"your fired" if he wants to get fans back on board it needs to be considered seriously rather than fobbed off.

Perhaps our next protest should be aimed at nash,
i can adjust my Tan out banner to nash out with a bit of tape.
Its about time fans turned there attention on this guy as he seems to be directly making the day a bad experience for fans
And oerhaps this should be one of the first question to dalhman is he going to do an alan sugar
"your fired" if he wants to get fans back on board it needs to be considered seriously rather than fobbed off.

Good idea Monty, it's our club. Nash Out

A simple few questions for the club. “Do you think Wayne Nash has been successful at his job? What proven successes can he boast? Is our concerning home form for several seasons related to the poor atmosphere in the CCS?”

In my working life I’ve had to prove my successes whether it’s showing changes in labour costs, revenue, increase in business, etc. Nash must have something to show for his years and years of service. If not, why is he still employed?

Nash is a c**t - just hanging on until he retires. someone who's in a role he shouldn't be

A simple few questions for the club. “Do you think Wayne Nash has been successful at his job? What proven successes can he boast? Is our concerning home form for several seasons related to the poor atmosphere in the CCS?”

In my working life I’ve had to prove my successes whether it’s showing changes in labour costs, revenue, increase in business, etc. Nash must have something to show for his years and years of service. If not, why is he still employed?

He will say there has been no trouble under his watch which would probably please them,
but its about us fans not him and he is making a day at the football not a pleasant experiance so much so that he is turning fans away from attending.

Its So blately obvious what the club has to do....it's move the away fans closer to the fans who like to sing....its proven at many other clubs. We go away and are stood less than 10 yards and there is not an issue.

I feel the past of the club seems to be stuck with the modern younger fans. Cardiff city are no longer a hooligan culture club.

The family stand should not be near away fans. All they will grow up with is see Cardiff as quiet fans and not feel the enjoyment of a good atmosphere. Plus the inappropriate away fan behaviour is not good for kids to see up close.

Mr Nash and Cardiff City...if you do something with this then I guarantee crowds will increase. Many of my mates don't go anymore...the match day experience for them is dead