" CARDIFF CITY SET TO SIGN WINGER ON LOAN "

Cardiff City are set to sign Leicester City winger Will Alves on loan.

19 years old, he made his league debut for Leicester when he came on as a late substitute against Manchester City last month.

He worked for Omer Riza for three years in the England youth set up.

One Substitution appearance:

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Can't pretend I know anything about him.

But going by reports, he's quick and skillful. Leicester have high hopes for him.

Hopefully will be another good addition.

It’s looking likely, which proves my point again 19yrs old and City want him straight in their Championship first team.

Yet we send virtually every 18yr/19/ 20 yr out and make out they will be ok to return and make it for us and they never do because they were not good enough in the first place.

Age means nothing if you’re good enough.

It’s looking likely, which proves my point again 19yrs old and City want him straight in their Championship first team.

Yet we send virtually every 18yr/19/ 20 yr out and make out they will be ok to return and make it for us and they never do because they were not good enough in the first place.

Age means nothing if you’re good enough.

Very confusing? He's not good enough for Leicester 1st team squad so they loan him to championship! We loan the same age player to div 1 because he doesn't make it to our 1st team squad what's the difference? Because the reaction between the two same scenarios are miles apart...

It’s looking likely, which proves my point again 19yrs old and City want him straight in their Championship first team.

Yet we send virtually every 18yr/19/ 20 yr out and make out they will be ok to return and make it for us and they never do because they were not good enough in the first place.

Age means nothing if you’re good enough.

Agree

We where going to push ashford out the door but gave him a run in the side butjoe colwill was pushed out reindorf out etete out davies out we will see what becomes of our youngsters.
But always agreed age got nowt to do with it rooney in the first team at 16 look at sunderland

It’s looking likely, which proves my point again 19yrs old and City want him straight in their Championship first team.

Yet we send virtually every 18yr/19/ 20 yr out and make out they will be ok to return and make it for us and they never do because they were not good enough in the first place.

Age means nothing if you’re good enough.

Agree

We where going to push ashford out the door but gave him a run in the side butjoe colwill was pushed out reindorf out etete out davies out we will see what becomes of our youngsters.
But always agreed age got nowt to do with it rooney in the first team at 16 look at sunderland

Personally I don't think Etete, Davies and (in particular) Reindorf are the standard we need to be. Reindorf works hard but is far far too raw atm, Etete's scoring record is poor and I've never rated Davies. All opinions though.

It’s really not rocket science. The best players are capable of playing at a higher level when they are younger. Others with less ability take longer to develop or have to play at a lower level. The best players are at the best clubs with the best coaches and so younger players develop quicker.
But every player is different and can improve at their own pace. To keep saying that players who haven’t made it at 21 will never be good enough is rubbish.

It’s really not rocket science. The best players are capable of playing at a higher level when they are younger. Others with less ability take longer to develop or have to play at a lower level. The best players are at the best clubs with the best coaches and so younger players develop quicker.
But every player is different and can improve at their own pace. To keep saying that players who haven’t made it at 21 will never be good enough is rubbish.

Your right this kid is 19 and not made it yet and won't for another season or two..spurs scorer yesterday was 17 so its am individual development thing...ours are older simply because those that could make it at 17/ 18 are usually taken before they reach 16 by big clubs... if only football was an exact science...

It’s really not rocket science. The best players are capable of playing at a higher level when they are younger. Others with less ability take longer to develop or have to play at a lower level. The best players are at the best clubs with the best coaches and so younger players develop quicker.
But every player is different and can improve at their own pace. To keep saying that players who haven’t made it at 21 will never be good enough is rubbish.

Your right this kid is 19 and not made it yet and won't for another season or two..spurs scorer yesterday was 17 so its am individual development thing...ours are older simply because those that could make it at 17/ 18 are usually taken before they reach 16 by big clubs... if only football was an exact science...

Exactly Allan

It’s really not rocket science. The best players are capable of playing at a higher level when they are younger. Others with less ability take longer to develop or have to play at a lower level. The best players are at the best clubs with the best coaches and so younger players develop quicker.
But every player is different and can improve at their own pace. To keep saying that players who haven’t made it at 21 will never be good enough is rubbish.

Your right this kid is 19 and not made it yet and won't for another season or two..spurs scorer yesterday was 17 so its am individual development thing...ours are older simply because those that could make it at 17/ 18 are usually taken before they reach 16 by big clubs... if only football was an exact science...

Exactly Allan

Get tired of double standards regarding city.....Leicester are loaning youngster to us a lower
league club that's great were told but if City loan out youngster to lower league club its not good youngster should be in 1st team squad at their age like say double standards...

An interesting one because a quick Google suggests that he was highly rated but unfortunately tore his ACL.

It's a big injury and it takes big character to bounce back from it.

Is this Riza delving into his England youth links?

It’s looking likely, which proves my point again 19yrs old and City want him straight in their Championship first team.

Yet we send virtually every 18yr/19/ 20 yr out and make out they will be ok to return and make it for us and they never do because they were not good enough in the first place.

Age means nothing if you’re good enough.

Very confusing? He's not good enough for Leicester 1st team squad so they loan him to championship! We loan the same age player to div 1 because he doesn't make it to our 1st team squad what's the difference? Because the reaction between the two same scenarios are miles apart...

Allan,

I never said good enough for the Premier league , it shows that WE will put a a 19yr old straight in to Our Championship Squad at that age, but when we send players out at that age, ever says yes they are to young so need experience.
As I have stated before in 15 yrs we have sent players out to shit teams / leagues and if I am right ALL have failed to come back and make it for us.

Which means they were not good enough for us in the first place.

To be a Championship player you really have to have quality and age means nothing.

It’s looking likely, which proves my point again 19yrs old and City want him straight in their Championship first team.

Yet we send virtually every 18yr/19/ 20 yr out and make out they will be ok to return and make it for us and they never do because they were not good enough in the first place.

Age means nothing if you’re good enough.

Agree

We where going to push ashford out the door but gave him a run in the side butjoe colwill was pushed out reindorf out etete out davies out we will see what becomes of our youngsters.
But always agreed age got nowt to do with it rooney in the first team at 16 look at sunderland

Agreed Monty,

In 15 yrs we’ve sent out players making out they are quality and not one has come back to make it with us.

Because the truth is, if they were good enough we would be playing them despite their ages.

It does not help that we send players to the Welsh League, spoke to Borley about that, that’s been Stopped.
We send them 3 leagues down to Non league that tells you they are not good enough.

The Championship is way way higher than those leagues and if you can make it big time in this league you should be able to make it in the Premier.

Age does not matter you’re either good enough for us or not the fact.

Those Tan fans still attaining can’t name us 4 players or say 3 or 2 players that WE have sent out in the last 15 yrs and has come back and made it with us???

Let’s see the usual suspects name them??

An interesting one because a quick Google suggests that he was highly rated but unfortunately tore his ACL.

It's a big injury and it takes big character to bounce back from it.

Is this Riza delving into his England youth links?

That’s worrying, but we are use to signing injury prone players

Semi Ajayi did alright after being sent to lower division teams, came of age around 24/25 years of age and had a season in the premier league

Mark McGuinness did very well after a loan to Sheff Wed in Div One and then we commanded a good fee for him. Ollie Tanner went to York and is now a first team regular.

Mark McGuinness did very well after a loan to Sheff Wed in Div One and then we commanded a good fee for him. Ollie Tanner went to York and is now a first team regular.

McGuinness went out as their was an internal argument and he should never have gone, thankfully he went to a Massive Club Wednesday.

Your right Spot on Tanner went to Non league and initially cane from a lower non league club.

Can you name anymore in the last 15yrs? Maybe 2 or 3 ?

Plus any that have come through Our Accademy sent to lower leagues and come back and made it for us in the Championship??
Maybe say just 2 or 3 players???

Semi Ajayi did alright after being sent to lower division teams, came of age around 24/25 years of age and had a season in the premier league

Did he come through our Accademy?

Ok how did he do for us in the Championship??

If a youngster goes straight into a championship club and performs the premier league vultures come knocking.

If Ashford continues like he has, he will be gone soon.

I think we under estimate how much money the big clubs put into scouting. Just look at how many schoolboys have been stolen by the big boys, if you are lucky enough to hide them or they develop a bit later you may sneak one through, but then they come looking.

I think we are massively overestimating Joel if anyone thought from U21 he was going to dislodge any of our CM's, if he was, he won't be here long. We needed to get games into him and realise he is better than L2, so we tried him at L1. This kid being in a premier system has dropped down to the championship, i guess they think he is decent as he was in their 1st team squad but its a voyage of discovery for them as well.

We haven't had any kids good enough for the championship since Ralls. He is had a season in the championship, did well, and was ready for us when he returned.

Mark McGuinness did very well after a loan to Sheff Wed in Div One and then we commanded a good fee for him. Ollie Tanner went to York and is now a first team regular.

Mark was a good player when he left and joining Wednesday was a good move, although everyone knows he was pushed out.
Tanner still not sure on him, consistent he is not.

Cardiff have also produced championship/Premier league standard players but released them saying they're not good enough. Ciaron Brown, Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer for example. These guys didn't come into their own at championship level until mid 20s after learning their trades in the lower leagues.

Add to that we've lost good quality championship players to Category one academies. Matondo, Charlie Crew, bianchieri & Benjamin

Cardiff have also produced championship/Premier league standard players but released them saying they're not good enough. Ciaron Brown, Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer for example. These guys didn't come into their own at championship level until mid 20s after learning their trades in the lower leagues.

Add to that we've lost good quality championship players to Category one academies. Matondo, Charlie Crew, bianchieri & Benjamin

More fool us, Brown did he come through City’s Accademy and did we not say Poole was to small and released him and as to Lockyer we gave him away and never sent him out on loan, did we not?
What has happened to players sent out on loan and returned that’s an interesting question Forever Blue keeps asking but no one replies?

It’s really not rocket science. The best players are capable of playing at a higher level when they are younger. Others with less ability take longer to develop or have to play at a lower level. The best players are at the best clubs with the best coaches and so younger players develop quicker.
But every player is different and can improve at their own pace. To keep saying that players who haven’t made it at 21 will never be good enough is rubbish.

Your right this kid is 19 and not made it yet and won't for another season or two..spurs scorer yesterday was 17 so its am individual development thing...ours are older simply because those that could make it at 17/ 18 are usually taken before they reach 16 by big clubs... if only football was an exact science...

Exactly Allan

What’s happening Pembroke explain?
Get tired of double standards regarding city.....Leicester are loaning youngster to us a lower
league club that's great were told but if City loan out youngster to lower league club its not good youngster should be in 1st team squad at their age like say double standards...

Cardiff have also produced championship/Premier league standard players but released them saying they're not good enough. Ciaron Brown, Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer for example. These guys didn't come into their own at championship level until mid 20s after learning their trades in the lower leagues.

Add to that we've lost good quality championship players to Category one academies. Matondo, Charlie Crew, bianchieri & Benjamin

More fool us, Brown did he come through City’s Accademy and did we not say Poole was to small and released him and as to Lockyer we gave him away and never sent him out on loan, did we not?
What has happened to players sent out on loan and returned that’s an interesting question Forever Blue keeps asking but no one replies?

They dissappear into the depths of football wannabes... most seasons there are over a thousand players mostly youngsters fighting to get a contract after been let go by parent club like city.... sending out on loan is a simple cheap way to get them off books until their contract ends .... this applies to all levels of football premier league down....but if good enough they'll come back and get 2yr contract... so in reply to your question they simply dissappear quietly forgotten by fans ....until they do well at another club then fans go into meltdown asking why did we let him go?

Cardiff have also produced championship/Premier league standard players but released them saying they're not good enough. Ciaron Brown, Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer for example. These guys didn't come into their own at championship level until mid 20s after learning their trades in the lower leagues.

Add to that we've lost good quality championship players to Category one academies. Matondo, Charlie Crew, bianchieri & Benjamin

More fool us, Brown did he come through City’s Accademy and did we not say Poole was to small and released him and as to Lockyer we gave him away and never sent him out on loan, did we not?
What has happened to players sent out on loan and returned that’s an interesting question Forever Blue keeps asking but no one replies?

They dissappear into the depths of football wannabes... most seasons there are over a thousand players mostly youngsters fighting to get a contract after been let go by parent club like city.... sending out on loan is a simple cheap way to get them off books until their contract ends .... this applies to all levels of football premier league down....but if good enough they'll come back and get 2yr contract... so in reply to your question they simply dissappear quietly forgotten by fans ..

Appreciate your prompt answer mate.
How many of ours have come back and given two year contracts, do you know?

Cardiff have also produced championship/Premier league standard players but released them saying they're not good enough. Ciaron Brown, Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer for example. These guys didn't come into their own at championship level until mid 20s after learning their trades in the lower leagues.

Add to that we've lost good quality championship players to Category one academies. Matondo, Charlie Crew, bianchieri & Benjamin

More fool us, Brown did he come through City’s Accademy and did we not say Poole was to small and released him and as to Lockyer we gave him away and never sent him out on loan, did we not?
What has happened to players sent out on loan and returned that’s an interesting question Forever Blue keeps asking but no one replies?

They dissappear into the depths of football wannabes... most seasons there are over a thousand players mostly youngsters fighting to get a contract after been let go by parent club like city.... sending out on loan is a simple cheap way to get them off books until their contract ends .... this applies to all levels of football premier league down....but if good enough they'll come back and get 2yr contract... so in reply to your question they simply dissappear quietly forgotten by fans ..

Appreciate your prompt answer mate.
How many of ours have come back and given two year contracts, do you know?

No idea but probably not a lot I was just giving a summary as to what happens in football.....as I said I suspect most are sent out on loan to get them off the books... premier league clubs generally do it to give players experience of real competitive games.... in response to other post my question was why is it OK for premier league clubs to send players out to Lower league teams like us! but some on here for city to send to Lower leagues club is wrong? Like said double "standards "
That didn't get an answer.....

Cardiff have also produced championship/Premier league standard players but released them saying they're not good enough. Ciaron Brown, Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer for example. These guys didn't come into their own at championship level until mid 20s after learning their trades in the lower leagues.

Add to that we've lost good quality championship players to Category one academies. Matondo, Charlie Crew, bianchieri & Benjamin

More fool us, Brown did he come through City’s Accademy and did we not say Poole was to small and released him and as to Lockyer we gave him away and never sent him out on loan, did we not?
What has happened to players sent out on loan and returned that’s an interesting question Forever Blue keeps asking but no one replies?

They dissappear into the depths of football wannabes... most seasons there are over a thousand players mostly youngsters fighting to get a contract after been let go by parent club like city.... sending out on loan is a simple cheap way to get them off books until their contract ends .... this applies to all levels of football premier league down....but if good enough they'll come back and get 2yr contract... so in reply to your question they simply dissappear quietly forgotten by fans ..

Appreciate your prompt answer mate.
How many of ours have come back and given two year contracts, do you know?

No idea but probably not a lot I was just giving a summary as to what happens in football.....as I said I suspect most are sent out on loan to get them off the books... premier league clubs generally do it to give players experience of real competitive games.... in response to other post my question was why is it OK for premier league clubs to send players out to Lower league teams like us! but some on here for city to send to Lower leagues club is wrong? Like said double "standards "
That didn't get an answer.....

Surely you have some idea mate?
Double standards I don’t understand, can you explain?
Premier league to the Championship on loan is a great standard to see how well they will do, Championship in the top ten leagues in Europe.
If Premier were sending say to league two that really would be low.

Cardiff have also produced championship/Premier league standard players but released them saying they're not good enough. Ciaron Brown, Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer for example. These guys didn't come into their own at championship level until mid 20s after learning their trades in the lower leagues.

Add to that we've lost good quality championship players to Category one academies. Matondo, Charlie Crew, bianchieri & Benjamin

More fool us, Brown did he come through City’s Accademy and did we not say Poole was to small and released him and as to Lockyer we gave him away and never sent him out on loan, did we not?
What has happened to players sent out on loan and returned that’s an interesting question Forever Blue keeps asking but no one replies?

They dissappear into the depths of football wannabes... most seasons there are over a thousand players mostly youngsters fighting to get a contract after been let go by parent club like city.... sending out on loan is a simple cheap way to get them off books until their contract ends .... this applies to all levels of football premier league down....but if good enough they'll come back and get 2yr contract... so in reply to your question they simply dissappear quietly forgotten by fans ..

Appreciate your prompt answer mate.
How many of ours have come back and given two year contracts, do you know?

No idea but probably not a lot I was just giving a summary as to what happens in football.....as I said I suspect most are sent out on loan to get them off the books... premier league clubs generally do it to give players experience of real competitive games.... in response to other post my question was why is it OK for premier league clubs to send players out to Lower league teams like us! but some on here for city to send to Lower leagues club is wrong? Like said double "standards "
That didn't get an answer.....

Surely you have some idea mate?
Double standards I don’t understand, can you explain?
Premier league to the Championship on loan is a great standard to see how well they will do, Championship in the top ten leagues in Europe.
If Premier were sending say to league two that really would be low.

Premier league clubs do send youngsters to div 1 & 2...... but its quite clear what I mean by double standards? It's ok for Premier league clubs to let youngsters go to lower leagues but on here when city sends youngsters to lower league its wrong? You tell me what's the difference ?? Premier league clubs wont want our youngsters on loan would they.!!

Cardiff have also produced championship/Premier league standard players but released them saying they're not good enough. Ciaron Brown, Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer for example. These guys didn't come into their own at championship level until mid 20s after learning their trades in the lower leagues.

Add to that we've lost good quality championship players to Category one academies. Matondo, Charlie Crew, bianchieri & Benjamin

More fool us, Brown did he come through City’s Accademy and did we not say Poole was to small and released him and as to Lockyer we gave him away and never sent him out on loan, did we not?
What has happened to players sent out on loan and returned that’s an interesting question Forever Blue keeps asking but no one replies?

They dissappear into the depths of football wannabes... most seasons there are over a thousand players mostly youngsters fighting to get a contract after been let go by parent club like city.... sending out on loan is a simple cheap way to get them off books until their contract ends .... this applies to all levels of football premier league down....but if good enough they'll come back and get 2yr contract... so in reply to your question they simply dissappear quietly forgotten by fans ..

Appreciate your prompt answer mate.
How many of ours have come back and given two year contracts, do you know?

No idea but probably not a lot I was just giving a summary as to what happens in football.....as I said I suspect most are sent out on loan to get them off the books... premier league clubs generally do it to give players experience of real competitive games.... in response to other post my question was why is it OK for premier league clubs to send players out to Lower league teams like us! but some on here for city to send to Lower leagues club is wrong? Like said double "standards "
That didn't get an answer.....

Surely you have some idea mate?
Double standards I don’t understand, can you explain?
Premier league to the Championship on loan is a great standard to see how well they will do, Championship in the top ten leagues in Europe.
If Premier were sending say to league two that really would be low.

Premier league clubs do send youngsters to div 1 & 2...... but its quite clear what I mean by double standards? It's ok for Premier league clubs to let youngsters go to lower leagues but on here when city sends youngsters to lower league its wrong? You tell me what's the difference ?? Premier league clubs wont want our youngsters on loan would they.!!

Villa sent Louie Barry to Stockport in League One. He did well so now he's at Hull on loan.

No different to us sending Joel Colwill to Cheltenham and then Exeter really.

Cardiff have also produced championship/Premier league standard players but released them saying they're not good enough. Ciaron Brown, Regan Poole, Tom Lockyer for example. These guys didn't come into their own at championship level until mid 20s after learning their trades in the lower leagues.

Add to that we've lost good quality championship players to Category one academies. Matondo, Charlie Crew, bianchieri & Benjamin

More fool us, Brown did he come through City’s Accademy and did we not say Poole was to small and released him and as to Lockyer we gave him away and never sent him out on loan, did we not?
What has happened to players sent out on loan and returned that’s an interesting question Forever Blue keeps asking but no one replies?

They dissappear into the depths of football wannabes... most seasons there are over a thousand players mostly youngsters fighting to get a contract after been let go by parent club like city.... sending out on loan is a simple cheap way to get them off books until their contract ends .... this applies to all levels of football premier league down....but if good enough they'll come back and get 2yr contract... so in reply to your question they simply dissappear quietly forgotten by fans ..

Appreciate your prompt answer mate.
How many of ours have come back and given two year contracts, do you know?

No idea but probably not a lot I was just giving a summary as to what happens in football.....as I said I suspect most are sent out on loan to get them off the books... premier league clubs generally do it to give players experience of real competitive games.... in response to other post my question was why is it OK for premier league clubs to send players out to Lower league teams like us! but some on here for city to send to Lower leagues club is wrong? Like said double "standards "
That didn't get an answer.....

Surely you have some idea mate?
Double standards I don’t understand, can you explain?
Premier league to the Championship on loan is a great standard to see how well they will do, Championship in the top ten leagues in Europe.
If Premier were sending say to league two that really would be low.

Premier league clubs do send youngsters to div 1 & 2...... but its quite clear what I mean by double standards? It's ok for Premier league clubs to let youngsters go to lower leagues but on here when city sends youngsters to lower league its wrong? You tell me what's the difference ?? Premier league clubs wont want our youngsters on loan would they.!!

Villa sent Louie Barry to Stockport in League One. He did well so now he's at Hull on loan.

No different to us sending Joel Colwill to Cheltenham and then Exeter really.

That's my point ned why do people think its wrong of our club to send youngsters to these clubs yet its OK for premier league clubs to loan to us a youngster a championship club ?