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Our record against the bottom eight

Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:46 pm

Decided to have a look at our record against the bottom eight (seven teams excluding us).

These are the games that matter - not against Sunderland, Burnley, Leeds etc.

People having a meltdown because we've lost narrowly to two of the top four in the last two games is actually quite funny.

Here's our record against the eight teams around us:


Plymouth - Won home, drew away - 4pts

Luton - Home TBC, lost away - 0pts

Derby - Won home, lost away - 3pts

Stoke - Home TBC, drew away - 1pts

Hull - Won home, lost away - 3pts

Oxford - Home TBC, lost away - 0pts

Portsmouth - Won home, lost away - 3pts



So that's 14 points from 11 games with three more games to go against these teams.

But, crucially, the four teams we have played at home we have beat. We don't have to play any of them away again with the remaining three at home.

If that trend continues, that's an extra nine points which is very likely to be enough to keep us up.

Another reason why I fail to see how some are saying that Riza is "taking us down".

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:55 pm

I agree if we beat these 3 we will stay up.

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:56 pm

It amazes me how you can be so positive about our club, given our league, financial, board and manager situation.
Well done to you sir!

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:03 pm

FOOTSOLDIER wrote:It amazes me how you can be so positive about our club, given our league, financial, board and manager situation.
Well done to you sir!

Tbf he’s just saying that if we win 3 games we’ll probably stay up. :D

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:21 pm

I think we we just stay up but I still consider Riza to be useless and needs to go.

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:23 pm

Plymuff Bloobird wrote:I think we we just stay up but I still consider Riza to be useless and needs to go.


That's fine, enjoy Purse or Shaw next season when we're bottom of the league all season.

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Sun Mar 09, 2025 11:41 pm

Barryblues wrote:I agree if we beat these 3 we will stay up.


Agree - I said the same last week .

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:13 am

Every game matters by the way:

It just shows how bad we’ve done that you are saying this it only matters against teams at the bottom.

It’s very sad that your trying to prove Riza is a good manager:

The fact is we are 4th from Bottom, the table does not lie:

We have 2nd worst defence in the Championship:

We have only Won 4 out of our last 23 League games:

We continue to defend and go for draws which are costly:

So if Riza keeps us up, what achievement is that as he’s kept us down their All season:

I expect Riza to keep us up with the players he has at his disposal:

I’ve never ever said he would not keep us up?

I just don’t get it, we should be better than Bottom 5 all season.

And Riza “IF” gets in my nerves:

Your obsession with Riza is making fans realise even more how bad he is.


And guess what Ned you’ve just said it :lol:
Ned:
“If that trend continues, that's an extra nine points which is very likely to be enough to keep us up.”



There are not any saying we are not staying up, we expect to, it’s you saying Riza will take us to the Premier League next season :lol:

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:39 am

It was back in September when we were Bottom:

It’s only about 2mths ago Pompey were Bottom and now look, we are still struggling after 6mths to get away from the Bottom: 5

We have had virtually a full season of struggling we should be by now 10th at least.

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:18 am

We have been near the bottom of the league all season so I don't really see why a certain person on here had to make another snide remark about my post,obviously he has his own agenda.

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:04 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Every game matters by the way:

It just shows how bad we’ve done that you are saying this it only matters against teams at the bottom.

It’s very sad that your trying to prove Riza is a good manager:

The fact is we are 4th from Bottom, the table does not lie:

We have 2nd worst defence in the Championship:

We have only Won 4 out of our last 23 League games:

We continue to defend and go for draws which are costly:

So if Riza keeps us up, what achievement is that as he’s kept us down their All season:

I expect Riza to keep us up with the players he has at his disposal:

I’ve never ever said he would not keep us up?

I just don’t get it, we should be better than Bottom 5 all season.

And Riza “IF” gets in my nerves:

Your obsession with Riza is making fans realise even more how bad he is.


And guess what Ned you’ve just said it :lol:
Ned:
“If that trend continues, that's an extra nine points which is very likely to be enough to keep us up.”



There are not any saying we are not staying up, we expect to, it’s you saying Riza will take us to the Premier League next season :lol:


Did you really expect us to beat Burnley or Sunderland? They are top four for a reason and most fans know it was likely we would lose to them.

Sunderland have the third best home record in the league.

But we narrowly lost these games.

Of course the games against the teams at the bottom matter more. It's not just us taking points but them losing points - people have said that when we lost so surely no different when we beat them?

Fact is that we have won all our home games against those teams so far and I don't see it being any different tomorrow.



People said in December that Riza would take us down so actually, if he keeps us up then surely he has done better than people expected.

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:10 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Every game matters by the way:

It just shows how bad we’ve done that you are saying this it only matters against teams at the bottom.

It’s very sad that your trying to prove Riza is a good manager:

The fact is we are 4th from Bottom, the table does not lie:

We have 2nd worst defence in the Championship:

We have only Won 4 out of our last 23 League games:

We continue to defend and go for draws which are costly:

So if Riza keeps us up, what achievement is that as he’s kept us down their All season:

I expect Riza to keep us up with the players he has at his disposal:

I’ve never ever said he would not keep us up?

I just don’t get it, we should be better than Bottom 5 all season.

And Riza “IF” gets in my nerves:

Your obsession with Riza is making fans realise even more how bad he is.


And guess what Ned you’ve just said it :lol:
Ned:
“If that trend continues, that's an extra nine points which is very likely to be enough to keep us up.”



There are not any saying we are not staying up, we expect to, it’s you saying Riza will take us to the Premier League next season :lol:


Did you really expect us to beat Burnley or Sunderland? They are top four for a reason and most fans know it was likely we would lose to them.

Sunderland have the third best home record in the league.

But we narrowly lost these games.

Of course the games against the teams at the bottom matter more. It's not just us taking points but them losing points - people have said that when we lost so surely no different when we beat them?

Fact is that we have won all our home games against those teams so far and I don't see it being any different tomorrow.



People said in December that Riza would take us down so actually, if he keeps us up then surely he has done better than people expected.



I did believe we could get a point at Sunderland, If Hull and Plymouth can do well why can’t we.

I was worried about Burnley but on the night we threw a point away just like up at Sunderland.

But why can’t we get any result against them? ??

Pompey just beat Leeds.


We need to actually attack Luton and not sit back at all.

I don’t believe we will go down, but we should NOT be this low all season.

It is RIZA’S fault we are :

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:14 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Every game matters by the way:

It just shows how bad we’ve done that you are saying this it only matters against teams at the bottom.

It’s very sad that your trying to prove Riza is a good manager:

The fact is we are 4th from Bottom, the table does not lie:

We have 2nd worst defence in the Championship:

We have only Won 4 out of our last 23 League games:

We continue to defend and go for draws which are costly:

So if Riza keeps us up, what achievement is that as he’s kept us down their All season:

I expect Riza to keep us up with the players he has at his disposal:

I’ve never ever said he would not keep us up?

I just don’t get it, we should be better than Bottom 5 all season.

And Riza “IF” gets in my nerves:

Your obsession with Riza is making fans realise even more how bad he is.


And guess what Ned you’ve just said it :lol:
Ned:
“If that trend continues, that's an extra nine points which is very likely to be enough to keep us up.”



There are not any saying we are not staying up, we expect to, it’s you saying Riza will take us to the Premier League next season :lol:


Did you really expect us to beat Burnley or Sunderland? They are top four for a reason and most fans know it was likely we would lose to them.

Sunderland have the third best home record in the league.

But we narrowly lost these games.

Of course the games against the teams at the bottom matter more. It's not just us taking points but them losing points - people have said that when we lost so surely no different when we beat them?

Fact is that we have won all our home games against those teams so far and I don't see it being any different tomorrow.



People said in December that Riza would take us down so actually, if he keeps us up then surely he has done better than people expected.


I thought we could get ra result against those two and we should have. Burnley amd Sunderland not that special. Two goals we gave away on the weekend were criminal at this level. Tomorrow if we win and other results go our way it won't be looking too bad regarding relegation. We can pick points up against any team.

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:58 pm

Barryblues wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Every game matters by the way:

It just shows how bad we’ve done that you are saying this it only matters against teams at the bottom.

It’s very sad that your trying to prove Riza is a good manager:

The fact is we are 4th from Bottom, the table does not lie:

We have 2nd worst defence in the Championship:

We have only Won 4 out of our last 23 League games:

We continue to defend and go for draws which are costly:

So if Riza keeps us up, what achievement is that as he’s kept us down their All season:

I expect Riza to keep us up with the players he has at his disposal:

I’ve never ever said he would not keep us up?

I just don’t get it, we should be better than Bottom 5 all season.

And Riza “IF” gets in my nerves:

Your obsession with Riza is making fans realise even more how bad he is.


And guess what Ned you’ve just said it :lol:
Ned:
“If that trend continues, that's an extra nine points which is very likely to be enough to keep us up.”



There are not any saying we are not staying up, we expect to, it’s you saying Riza will take us to the Premier League next season :lol:


Did you really expect us to beat Burnley or Sunderland? They are top four for a reason and most fans know it was likely we would lose to them.

Sunderland have the third best home record in the league.

But we narrowly lost these games.

Of course the games against the teams at the bottom matter more. It's not just us taking points but them losing points - people have said that when we lost so surely no different when we beat them?

Fact is that we have won all our home games against those teams so far and I don't see it being any different tomorrow.



People said in December that Riza would take us down so actually, if he keeps us up then surely he has done better than people expected.


I thought we could get a result against those two and we should have. Burnley amd Sunderland not that special. Two goals we gave away on the weekend were criminal at this level. Tomorrow if we win and other results go our way it won't be looking too bad regarding relegation. We can pick points up against any team.

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:01 pm

At the end of the day we are in a relegation fight which table shows what season we've had which isn't good at all mostly to do with the manager buck stops with him

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:08 pm

desbluebird wrote:At the end of the day we are in a relegation fight which table shows what season we've had which isn't good at all mostly to do with the manager buck stops with him


Or, if you believe what is being said about Tan calling the shots, how can you Blame Riza?

You can’t have it both ways.

He’s either calling the shots, which would mean your argument about poor tactics and defensive football has some legs to it,

OR

You believe what has been posted about Tan interfering with Tactics and team selection, which then warrants your ‘blame Riza for everything’ argument void.

Which is it?

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:19 pm

I've never ever said tan is calling the shots riza picks the team decides our tactics buck stops with him all tan is guilty of is hiring a manager out of his depth

Re: Our record against the bottom eight

Mon Mar 10, 2025 10:32 pm

desbluebird wrote:I've never ever said tan is calling the shots riza picks the team decides our tactics buck stops with him all tan is guilty of is hiring a manager out of his depth

The reports of the owner contacting the manager before, during and after games appears to be correct, although I’m not sure what ‘influence’ (if any) it has other than being a Royal pain…

I have stated previously that Omer Riza has the makings of a decent manager but maybe the timing and location of his first ‘proper’ audition are working against him and currently the club itself?

One thought I have held for some weeks is where would we be if we hadn’t had the ‘new manager bounce’ of four straight wins when he first took over?

Being honest, our ‘form’ since then has not been what we might have originally expected/hoped, has it? :(