Vincent Tan has now Appointed:

Vincent Tan is Still claiming €120m in compensation from Nantes for Emiliano Sala

Tan has now appointed a specialist data firm to assess the likelihood of the club staying in the Premier League if Sala had not died in a plane crash back in 2019.


The Forty Four

Reporter Roger Handerson

Thursday 10th April 2025



Originally Vincent Tan tried to deny Emiliano Sala was not a Cardiff City player when he sadly died, but prove from The Welsh FA showed that Sala was 100% a Cardiff City player.

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The £12mill invested in the battle to Win the case,that the local media put out is from a Company associated with Tan and will gain a massive % of the money that might be won in the case???

The Insurance paid out £5mill ( the basic insurance which insures all City players once Signed)but No more as the main insurance had not be done until the Monday when it was to late.

So far the Cases has Cost Cardiff City FC in Fines, Costs and interest over £10mill in the last 5 years.

Plus a Transfer Embargo.

Three Court Cases in the Highest Courts have All been lost by Tan.

Plus City were orders to pay Nantes FC in Full plus interest etc.

Vincent Tan is now Privately Suing Nantes FC:

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Yet another so called "specialist". How many is that now and how much difference has it made.

Smells of yet more desperation by Tan.

So many lost court cases which have been a waste of time and money. It's cost him so much, he should just be cutting his losses now.

We know that Nantes have made bad decisions in the past but there's very little evidence that they have done anything here that means Tan will win this case.

But the only people I feel sorry for are Sala's family and friends.

Yet another so called "specialist". How many is that now and how much difference has it made.

Smells of yet more desperation by Tan.

So many lost court cases which have been a waste of time and money. It's cost him so much, he should just be cutting his losses now.

We know that Nantes have made bad decisions in the past but there's very little evidence that they have done anything here that means Tan will win this case.

But the only people I feel sorry for are Sala's family and friends.

With you all the way Ned.

Sala RIP

These specialists were employed over 3 years ago..this information has been included in our court papers for the last few years

This is old news

exactly, nothing new to see here.

These specialists were employed over 3 years ago..this information has been included in our court papers for the last few years

This is old news

Actually their is, the reason behind one of Tans companies putting in £12mill.

Probably cost him more than 120m in legal fees overall.

Makes the club look like a laughing stock whilst putting the family through even more misery.

A young man has died and all that clown can think is ‘how about 6 years of court cases’

Complete and utter buffoon.

Probably cost him more than 120m in legal fees overall.

Makes the club look like a laughing stock whilst putting the family through even more misery.

A young man has died and all that clown can think is ‘how about 6 years of court cases’

Complete and utter buffoon.

Matty,

Exactly, Hes embarrassed us and cost us a fortune.

And even denied Sala was our player.

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Probably cost him more than 120m in legal fees overall.

Makes the club look like a laughing stock whilst putting the family through even more misery.

A young man has died and all that clown can think is ‘how about 6 years of court cases’

Complete and utter buffoon.

Matty,

Exactly, Hes embarrassed us and cost us a fortune.

And even denied Sala was our player.

Easy to spend other peoples money, annis do you think we should lose out as a club when it wasn't our fault ? .

Probably cost him more than 120m in legal fees overall.

Makes the club look like a laughing stock whilst putting the family through even more misery.

A young man has died and all that clown can think is ‘how about 6 years of court cases’

Complete and utter buffoon.

Matty,

Exactly, Hes embarrassed us and cost us a fortune.

And even denied Sala was our player.

Easy to spend other peoples money, annis do you think we should lose out as a club when it wasn't our fault ? .

Wez,


We still don’t really know who is at fault?

All we do know is we were not professional.

Plus Tan has lost every court case in the High Courts / Facts

If Sala had been properly insured we would my be suing.

We will not win all this money and I will state at best when we lose it will be said by us we settled out of court.

Remember we even said Sala was not our player and you defended Tan then.

Probably cost him more than 120m in legal fees overall.

Makes the club look like a laughing stock whilst putting the family through even more misery.

A young man has died and all that clown can think is ‘how about 6 years of court cases’

Complete and utter buffoon.

Matty,

Exactly, Hes embarrassed us and cost us a fortune.

And even denied Sala was our player.

Easy to spend other peoples money, annis do you think we should lose out as a club when it wasn't our fault ? .

Wez,


We still don’t really know who is at fault?

All we do know is we were not professional.

Plus Tan has lost every court case in the High Courts / Facts

If Sala had been properly insured we would my be suing.

We will not win all this money and I will state at best when we lose it will be said by us we settled out of court.

Remember we even said Sala was not our player and you defended Tan then.

The court said the flight was illegal, people were put in prison s, Nantes agent was responsible for the flight .

Probably cost him more than 120m in legal fees overall.

Makes the club look like a laughing stock whilst putting the family through even more misery.

A young man has died and all that clown can think is ‘how about 6 years of court cases’

Complete and utter buffoon.

Matty,

Exactly, Hes embarrassed us and cost us a fortune.

And even denied Sala was our player.

Easy to spend other peoples money, annis do you think we should lose out as a club when it wasn't our fault ? .

Wez,


We still don’t really know who is at fault?

All we do know is we were not professional.

Plus Tan has lost every court case in the High Courts / Facts

If Sala had been properly insured we would my be suing.

We will not win all this money and I will state at best when we lose it will be said by us we settled out of court.

Remember we even said Sala was not our player and you defended Tan then.

We won the case against the insurers they've already paid out .your forgetting that the prenier league agree he wasn't our player .

Annis it's almost like you don't want the club to win any money coz of your hatred for Tan? .

I know there’s a lot of genuine sentiment on both sides of the argument of whether ES was our player. But the legal reality is it had to be proved beyond doubt that he was our player. For the club to make any compensation claim from anyone. We all know You cannot claim a loss for something that isn’t yours. Otherwise we’d all be able to claim for anything.

As to whether Vinny’s actions or strategies were to get out of paying, or to have it proved he should pay, will never be proved on here. If it was his strategy to go to the lengths of all courts across sport and contract law, to establish that. He’s got some balls. As it has obviously cost millions to date.

But we are where we are. ES was unlawfully killed on an illegal flight arranged by McKay. As proven in the criminal case where the guy operating the flight was jailed. That’s a plain and simple fact. Criminally McKay wasn’t liable. But civil liability and contract law is another matter. CCFC feel McKay is liable for his negligence and therefore Nantes are too, as his “employers”

Legally it has been proved without doubt ES was our player. Only on that basis, his employer (us) can rightfully look to claim compensation for the expensive loss of his services. Which is what Vinny has been doing. Firstly from the clubs insurance brokers, who are an international outfit, not one of the lads with just an office in city road. And they made a commercial decision to settle out of court. Which shows their expensive lawyers had good reason to think they would lose.

Now he’s quite rightly got Nantes in his sights on a civil/contract law basis, as it was their agents- the Mckays- who arranged and put him on an illegal flight.
The burden of proof has been made in so many aspects of this case. It’s now purely down to a decision on whether Nantes are vicariously liable for the negligence of their agents. And if so, how much should they pay.

The human toll on ES’s family is unthinkable and as usual the gutter press have sensationalised the story and misreported a lot of it. But as far as I know. CCFC and VT personally are the only parties who have donated to the trust set up for the family. Nantes, the Mckays, or anyone else involved in it hasn’t donated a penny. Even though they’ve all been paid their fees.

For me. If true justice is done in this case, Nantes will have to compensate us through their insurers. And I’ve always felt they should. This transfer unearthed a lot of the seedy underbelly of football and a young man lost his life over their greed.

I hope we win. I hope we get over 60m. As that will give VT some refund of money he wants, which might allow the asking price of selling to be reduced and a fresh approach take place. Whether anyone likes Tan or not, it’s probably best to have a change of ownership and get rid of a load of toxicity around the club.

I don’t really care who owns the club, or who picks the team. I just want to watch us compete for a win in every game, play decent quality football. And want to feel all the players are trying to win each game.

I know there’s a lot of genuine sentiment on both sides of the argument of whether ES was our player. But the legal reality is it had to be proved beyond doubt that he was our player. For the club to make any compensation claim from anyone. We all know You cannot claim a loss for something that isn’t yours. Otherwise we’d all be able to claim for anything.

As to whether Vinny’s actions or strategies were to get out of paying, or to have it proved he should pay, will never be proved on here. If it was his strategy to go to the lengths of all courts across sport and contract law, to establish that. He’s got some balls. As it has obviously cost millions to date.

But we are where we are. ES was unlawfully killed on an illegal flight arranged by McKay. As proven in the criminal case where the guy operating the flight was jailed. That’s a plain and simple fact. Criminally McKay wasn’t liable. But civil liability and contract law is another matter. CCFC feel McKay is liable for his negligence and therefore Nantes are too, as his “employers”

Legally it has been proved without doubt ES was our player. Only on that basis, his employer (us) can rightfully look to claim compensation for the expensive loss of his services. Which is what Vinny has been doing. Firstly from the clubs insurance brokers, who are an international outfit, not one of the lads with just an office in city road. And they made a commercial decision to settle out of court. Which shows their expensive lawyers had good reason to think they would lose.

Now he’s quite rightly got Nantes in his sights on a civil/contract law basis, as it was their agents- the Mckays- who arranged and put him on an illegal flight.
The burden of proof has been made in so many aspects of this case. It’s now purely down to a decision on whether Nantes are vicariously liable for the negligence of their agents. And if so, how much should they pay.

The human toll on ES’s family is unthinkable and as usual the gutter press have sensationalised the story and misreported a lot of it. But as far as I know. CCFC and VT personally are the only parties who have donated to the trust set up for the family. Nantes, the Mckays, or anyone else involved in it hasn’t donated a penny. Even though they’ve all been paid their fees.

For me. If true justice is done in this case, Nantes will have to compensate us through their insurers. And I’ve always felt they should. This transfer unearthed a lot of the seedy underbelly of football and a young man lost his life over their greed.

I hope we win. I hope we get over 60m. As that will give VT some refund of money he wants, which might allow the asking price of selling to be reduced and a fresh approach take place. Whether anyone likes Tan or not, it’s probably best to have a change of ownership and get rid of a load of toxicity around the club.

I don’t really care who owns the club, or who picks the team. I just want to watch us compete for a win in every game, play decent quality football. And want to feel all the players are trying to win each game.

Great summing up .

I do personally think they will win this court case, my sister is working alongside the case and other contracts for capital law and can't tell me anything but it seems very positive. don't blame him for hiring another firm.

I know there’s a lot of genuine sentiment on both sides of the argument of whether ES was our player. But the legal reality is it had to be proved beyond doubt that he was our player. For the club to make any compensation claim from anyone. We all know You cannot claim a loss for something that isn’t yours. Otherwise we’d all be able to claim for anything.

As to whether Vinny’s actions or strategies were to get out of paying, or to have it proved he should pay, will never be proved on here. If it was his strategy to go to the lengths of all courts across sport and contract law, to establish that. He’s got some balls. As it has obviously cost millions to date.

But we are where we are. ES was unlawfully killed on an illegal flight arranged by McKay. As proven in the criminal case where the guy operating the flight was jailed. That’s a plain and simple fact. Criminally McKay wasn’t liable. But civil liability and contract law is another matter. CCFC feel McKay is liable for his negligence and therefore Nantes are too, as his “employers”

Legally it has been proved without doubt ES was our player. Only on that basis, his employer (us) can rightfully look to claim compensation for the expensive loss of his services. Which is what Vinny has been doing. Firstly from the clubs insurance brokers, who are an international outfit, not one of the lads with just an office in city road. And they made a commercial decision to settle out of court. Which shows their expensive lawyers had good reason to think they would lose.

Now he’s quite rightly got Nantes in his sights on a civil/contract law basis, as it was their agents- the Mckays- who arranged and put him on an illegal flight.
The burden of proof has been made in so many aspects of this case. It’s now purely down to a decision on whether Nantes are vicariously liable for the negligence of their agents. And if so, how much should they pay.

The human toll on ES’s family is unthinkable and as usual the gutter press have sensationalised the story and misreported a lot of it. But as far as I know. CCFC and VT personally are the only parties who have donated to the trust set up for the family. Nantes, the Mckays, or anyone else involved in it hasn’t donated a penny. Even though they’ve all been paid their fees.

For me. If true justice is done in this case, Nantes will have to compensate us through their insurers. And I’ve always felt they should. This transfer unearthed a lot of the seedy underbelly of football and a young man lost his life over their greed.

I hope we win. I hope we get over 60m. As that will give VT some refund of money he wants, which might allow the asking price of selling to be reduced and a fresh approach take place. Whether anyone likes Tan or not, it’s probably best to have a change of ownership and get rid of a load of toxicity around the club.

I don’t really care who owns the club, or who picks the team. I just want to watch us compete for a win in every game, play decent quality football. And want to feel all the players are trying to win each game.

Only criminal court cases have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt - as the ownership of the player isn’t something that is a criminal case, the standard of proof would only need to be on the ‘balance of probabilities’

.... Nantes will have to compensate us through their insurers. And I’ve always felt they should. This transfer unearthed a lot of the seedy underbelly of football and a young man lost his life over their greed.

I hope we win. I hope we get over 60m. . .....

Should be a bit closer on Monday as there is the next hearing in the French Courts.

I know there’s a lot of genuine sentiment on both sides of the argument of whether ES was our player. But the legal reality is it had to be proved beyond doubt that he was our player. For the club to make any compensation claim from anyone. We all know You cannot claim a loss for something that isn’t yours. Otherwise we’d all be able to claim for anything.

As to whether Vinny’s actions or strategies were to get out of paying, or to have it proved he should pay, will never be proved on here. If it was his strategy to go to the lengths of all courts across sport and contract law, to establish that. He’s got some balls. As it has obviously cost millions to date.

But we are where we are. ES was unlawfully killed on an illegal flight arranged by McKay. As proven in the criminal case where the guy operating the flight was jailed. That’s a plain and simple fact. Criminally McKay wasn’t liable. But civil liability and contract law is another matter. CCFC feel McKay is liable for his negligence and therefore Nantes are too, as his “employers”

Legally it has been proved without doubt ES was our player. Only on that basis, his employer (us) can rightfully look to claim compensation for the expensive loss of his services. Which is what Vinny has been doing. Firstly from the clubs insurance brokers, who are an international outfit, not one of the lads with just an office in city road. And they made a commercial decision to settle out of court. Which shows their expensive lawyers had good reason to think they would lose.

Now he’s quite rightly got Nantes in his sights on a civil/contract law basis, as it was their agents- the Mckays- who arranged and put him on an illegal flight.
The burden of proof has been made in so many aspects of this case. It’s now purely down to a decision on whether Nantes are vicariously liable for the negligence of their agents. And if so, how much should they pay.

The human toll on ES’s family is unthinkable and as usual the gutter press have sensationalised the story and misreported a lot of it. But as far as I know. CCFC and VT personally are the only parties who have donated to the trust set up for the family. Nantes, the Mckays, or anyone else involved in it hasn’t donated a penny. Even though they’ve all been paid their fees.

For me. If true justice is done in this case, Nantes will have to compensate us through their insurers. And I’ve always felt they should. This transfer unearthed a lot of the seedy underbelly of football and a young man lost his life over their greed.

I hope we win. I hope we get over 60m. As that will give VT some refund of money he wants, which might allow the asking price of selling to be reduced and a fresh approach take place. Whether anyone likes Tan or not, it’s probably best to have a change of ownership and get rid of a load of toxicity around the club.

I don’t really care who owns the club, or who picks the team. I just want to watch us compete for a win in every game, play decent quality football. And want to feel all the players are trying to win each game.

Only criminal court cases have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt - as the ownership of the player isn’t something that is a criminal case, the standard of proof would only need to be on the ‘balance of probabilities’

Seeing g as we bought home in to score goals and we got relegated by1 point it's fair to say we would have got more than 1 point after he sighned.. and thats basis of yhis case..

I know there’s a lot of genuine sentiment on both sides of the argument of whether ES was our player. But the legal reality is it had to be proved beyond doubt that he was our player. For the club to make any compensation claim from anyone. We all know You cannot claim a loss for something that isn’t yours. Otherwise we’d all be able to claim for anything.

As to whether Vinny’s actions or strategies were to get out of paying, or to have it proved he should pay, will never be proved on here. If it was his strategy to go to the lengths of all courts across sport and contract law, to establish that. He’s got some balls. As it has obviously cost millions to date.

But we are where we are. ES was unlawfully killed on an illegal flight arranged by McKay. As proven in the criminal case where the guy operating the flight was jailed. That’s a plain and simple fact. Criminally McKay wasn’t liable. But civil liability and contract law is another matter. CCFC feel McKay is liable for his negligence and therefore Nantes are too, as his “employers”

Legally it has been proved without doubt ES was our player. Only on that basis, his employer (us) can rightfully look to claim compensation for the expensive loss of his services. Which is what Vinny has been doing. Firstly from the clubs insurance brokers, who are an international outfit, not one of the lads with just an office in city road. And they made a commercial decision to settle out of court. Which shows their expensive lawyers had good reason to think they would lose.

Now he’s quite rightly got Nantes in his sights on a civil/contract law basis, as it was their agents- the Mckays- who arranged and put him on an illegal flight.
The burden of proof has been made in so many aspects of this case. It’s now purely down to a decision on whether Nantes are vicariously liable for the negligence of their agents. And if so, how much should they pay.

The human toll on ES’s family is unthinkable and as usual the gutter press have sensationalised the story and misreported a lot of it. But as far as I know. CCFC and VT personally are the only parties who have donated to the trust set up for the family. Nantes, the Mckays, or anyone else involved in it hasn’t donated a penny. Even though they’ve all been paid their fees.

For me. If true justice is done in this case, Nantes will have to compensate us through their insurers. And I’ve always felt they should. This transfer unearthed a lot of the seedy underbelly of football and a young man lost his life over their greed.

I hope we win. I hope we get over 60m. As that will give VT some refund of money he wants, which might allow the asking price of selling to be reduced and a fresh approach take place. Whether anyone likes Tan or not, it’s probably best to have a change of ownership and get rid of a load of toxicity around the club.

I don’t really care who owns the club, or who picks the team. I just want to watch us compete for a win in every game, play decent quality football. And want to feel all the players are trying to win each game.

Only criminal court cases have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt - as the ownership of the player isn’t something that is a criminal case, the standard of proof would only need to be on the ‘balance of probabilities’

Seeing g as we bought home in to score goals and we got relegated by1 point it's fair to say we would have got more than 1 point after he sighned.. and thats basis of yhis case..

I don’t disagree but that has nothing to do with the legal burden of proof in either criminal or civil cases

I know there’s a lot of genuine sentiment on both sides of the argument of whether ES was our player. But the legal reality is it had to be proved beyond doubt that he was our player. For the club to make any compensation claim from anyone. We all know You cannot claim a loss for something that isn’t yours. Otherwise we’d all be able to claim for anything.

As to whether Vinny’s actions or strategies were to get out of paying, or to have it proved he should pay, will never be proved on here. If it was his strategy to go to the lengths of all courts across sport and contract law, to establish that. He’s got some balls. As it has obviously cost millions to date.

But we are where we are. ES was unlawfully killed on an illegal flight arranged by McKay. As proven in the criminal case where the guy operating the flight was jailed. That’s a plain and simple fact. Criminally McKay wasn’t liable. But civil liability and contract law is another matter. CCFC feel McKay is liable for his negligence and therefore Nantes are too, as his “employers”

Legally it has been proved without doubt ES was our player. Only on that basis, his employer (us) can rightfully look to claim compensation for the expensive loss of his services. Which is what Vinny has been doing. Firstly from the clubs insurance brokers, who are an international outfit, not one of the lads with just an office in city road. And they made a commercial decision to settle out of court. Which shows their expensive lawyers had good reason to think they would lose.

Now he’s quite rightly got Nantes in his sights on a civil/contract law basis, as it was their agents- the Mckays- who arranged and put him on an illegal flight.
The burden of proof has been made in so many aspects of this case. It’s now purely down to a decision on whether Nantes are vicariously liable for the negligence of their agents. And if so, how much should they pay.

The human toll on ES’s family is unthinkable and as usual the gutter press have sensationalised the story and misreported a lot of it. But as far as I know. CCFC and VT personally are the only parties who have donated to the trust set up for the family. Nantes, the Mckays, or anyone else involved in it hasn’t donated a penny. Even though they’ve all been paid their fees.

For me. If true justice is done in this case, Nantes will have to compensate us through their insurers. And I’ve always felt they should. This transfer unearthed a lot of the seedy underbelly of football and a young man lost his life over their greed.

I hope we win. I hope we get over 60m. As that will give VT some refund of money he wants, which might allow the asking price of selling to be reduced and a fresh approach take place. Whether anyone likes Tan or not, it’s probably best to have a change of ownership and get rid of a load of toxicity around the club.

I don’t really care who owns the club, or who picks the team. I just want to watch us compete for a win in every game, play decent quality football. And want to feel all the players are trying to win each game.

Only criminal court cases have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt - as the ownership of the player isn’t something that is a criminal case, the standard of proof would only need to be on the ‘balance of probabilities’

Seeing g as we bought home in to score goals and we got relegated by1 point it's fair to say we would have got more than 1 point after he sighned.. and thats basis of yhis case..

I don’t disagree but that has nothing to do with the legal burden of proof in either criminal or civil cases

No it doesn't but the whole argument about compensation is would he have scored goals to keep us in premier league? That's what these specialists want to prove isn't it or doesn't t make any difference to yhe case?

The joke is the idea that these soothsayers can predict the future. Its all modern football bollox, why play the game when the spreadsheet xbox jocks can predict the future? Will the ref still miss 2 Chelsea's players a metre offside?

Hope we win or get the result that Tan wants they he can move on

I know there’s a lot of genuine sentiment on both sides of the argument of whether ES was our player. But the legal reality is it had to be proved beyond doubt that he was our player. For the club to make any compensation claim from anyone. We all know You cannot claim a loss for something that isn’t yours. Otherwise we’d all be able to claim for anything.

As to whether Vinny’s actions or strategies were to get out of paying, or to have it proved he should pay, will never be proved on here. If it was his strategy to go to the lengths of all courts across sport and contract law, to establish that. He’s got some balls. As it has obviously cost millions to date.

But we are where we are. ES was unlawfully killed on an illegal flight arranged by McKay. As proven in the criminal case where the guy operating the flight was jailed. That’s a plain and simple fact. Criminally McKay wasn’t liable. But civil liability and contract law is another matter. CCFC feel McKay is liable for his negligence and therefore Nantes are too, as his “employers”

Legally it has been proved without doubt ES was our player. Only on that basis, his employer (us) can rightfully look to claim compensation for the expensive loss of his services. Which is what Vinny has been doing. Firstly from the clubs insurance brokers, who are an international outfit, not one of the lads with just an office in city road. And they made a commercial decision to settle out of court. Which shows their expensive lawyers had good reason to think they would lose.

Now he’s quite rightly got Nantes in his sights on a civil/contract law basis, as it was their agents- the Mckays- who arranged and put him on an illegal flight.
The burden of proof has been made in so many aspects of this case. It’s now purely down to a decision on whether Nantes are vicariously liable for the negligence of their agents. And if so, how much should they pay.

The human toll on ES’s family is unthinkable and as usual the gutter press have sensationalised the story and misreported a lot of it. But as far as I know. CCFC and VT personally are the only parties who have donated to the trust set up for the family. Nantes, the Mckays, or anyone else involved in it hasn’t donated a penny. Even though they’ve all been paid their fees.

For me. If true justice is done in this case, Nantes will have to compensate us through their insurers. And I’ve always felt they should. This transfer unearthed a lot of the seedy underbelly of football and a young man lost his life over their greed.

I hope we win. I hope we get over 60m. As that will give VT some refund of money he wants, which might allow the asking price of selling to be reduced and a fresh approach take place. Whether anyone likes Tan or not, it’s probably best to have a change of ownership and get rid of a load of toxicity around the club.

I don’t really care who owns the club, or who picks the team. I just want to watch us compete for a win in every game, play decent quality football. And want to feel all the players are trying to win each game.

Only criminal court cases have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt - as the ownership of the player isn’t something that is a criminal case, the standard of proof would only need to be on the ‘balance of probabilities’[/quot

Yes mate. That’s why I mentioned a civil case is a different matter to a criminal one.
I’ve always felt we could have a claim against Nantes via the agents route. Hopefully we’ll win. Fingers crossed.

Try appointing a proper manager Vincent you embarrassment