All confused me a bit today......

i havent read any other threads on here yet......

im still comfused as to what happened today. i was suprised to hear the team selection for a start.

all of a sudden the jacks comes down, dave jones changes his style, goes very negative and tries to match them, therefore getting rid of a huge threat in burke.
we are at home, they should be coming here shiting themselves about how to cope with bellamy, burke, chopra, etc. not the other way round.
we had no width, bellamy and chops got squeezed out of the game, it was crying out for someone like burke with NATURAL width and pace, to get the ball and get at them, if nothing else it would have shown some intent and got us going in the stands.
Dave jones got it all wrong today in my opinion.

Milly With you All the way on your Post,

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There have been lots of times when we have gone 442 against a good footballing side like Swansea who play 3 centre midfielders and we get played off the park. Play off final being a good example as well as various games against the Jacks over the last couple of seasons.

When this happens many people say we should play 3 centre midfielders to match them.

There have been lots of times when we have gone 442 against a good footballing side like Swansea who play 3 centre midfielders and we get played off the park. Play off final being a good example as well as various games against the Jacks over the last couple of seasons.

When this happens many people say we should play 3 centre midfielders to match them.

my main issue is dropping burle if anything. very odd that.

Agreed. I think he didn't want to drop Chopra so put him on the right and Keogh up top. Chopra would have been as effective as Keogh as lone frontman I think. Burke shouldn't have been dropped.

Agreed. I think he didn't want to drop Chopra so put him on the right and Keogh up top. Chopra would have been as effective as Keogh as lone frontman I think. Burke shouldn't have been dropped.

im not one for slating individual players. bit keough is very week, and slow. chops would have won just as much in the air, but pressured there back 4 until he droped dead and been a genral mennace.

There have been lots of times when we have gone 442 against a good footballing side like Swansea who play 3 centre midfielders and we get played off the park. Play off final being a good example as well as various games against the Jacks over the last couple of seasons.

When this happens many people say we should play 3 centre midfielders to match them.

But in my opinion not with the players we now possess We should of mullered them but DJ fecked it up.

Tate was far from solid today and Burke would have had a field day against him. You could see Super Kev wanted to get forward but there wasn't any real cover for him.

Kev and Burke on the right work very well and I find it very strange that Burke was left out.

good post as I am not as angry as I normally am when we lose to the jacks but confused why Jones picked a kid who havent played in ages and had a shocker when we have mcphail & koumas and Keogh is not good enough Leicester Ipswich & Palace proved that.

A big game besides it being a derby and the Jacks were worried so we should have taken our game to them but we didnt this will hurt for a while

I think in hindsight, picking Drinkwater was a mistake giving the fact he's been out for two months but I can see why Jones picked him based on previous performances. If fit and match sharp then his work rate in the middle would have put a lot more pressure on the jacks 3 in the middle, we just allowed them to do what they wanted with no pressure at all.

Once DJ had made the decision to go with 3 in the middle(which I think was the correct one when you consider the problems we have had against 3 in the middle), he could only pick one out of Chopra and Burke to play on the right as you can't play Chopra as a lone striker. Given Chopras record in the big games, it's not really a suprise that he chose him over Burke. Although I would have been tempted to pick Burke and leave Chopra on the bench, I think Chops is wasted playing in a wide role.

Incidentally, I thought Keogh done ok. He won a fair amount of headers in the air, the problem was that Bellamy and Chopra were 20-30 yards away from him so the flick ons were useless. The one criticism I have of Keogh and I noticed this more today than previously is that he doesn't seem to be capable of playing a first time pass. He could have played a few people in today had he made a pass first time, one in particular when Chopra would have been clean on goal in the first half, Chops wasn't a happy boy when he saw him take a touch and then turn the other way!. I think Jay would have been a bit more aware in those circumstances and had the confidence and technique to play it through without having a touch to get it under control.

All in all, we were rubbish but with the chances Bellamy had we could still have nicked a point or a win even though we were on the back foot for most of the game. Three points on Wednesday and it'll all be forgotten..

I think in hindsight, picking Drinkwater was a mistake giving the fact he's been out for two months but I can see why Jones picked him based on previous performances. If fit and match sharp then his work rate in the middle would have put a lot more pressure on the jacks 3 in the middle, we just allowed them to do what they wanted with no pressure at all.

Once DJ had made the decision to go with 3 in the middle(which I think was the correct one when you consider the problems we have had against 3 in the middle), he could only pick one out of Chopra and Burke to play on the right as you can't play Chopra as a lone striker. Given Chopras record in the big games, it's not really a suprise that he chose him over Burke. Although I would have been tempted to pick Burke and leave Chopra on the bench, I think Chops is wasted playing in a wide role.

Incidentally, I thought Keogh done ok. He won a fair amount of headers in the air, the problem was that Bellamy and Chopra were 20-30 yards away from him so the flick ons were useless. The one criticism I have of Keogh and I noticed this more today than previously is that he doesn't seem to be capable of playing a first time pass. He could have played a few people in today had he made a pass first time, one in particular when Chopra would have been clean on goal in the first half, Chops wasn't a happy boy when he saw him take a touch and then turn the other way!. I think Jay would have been a bit more aware in those circumstances and had the confidence and technique to play it through without having a touch to get it under control.

All in all, we were rubbish but with the chances Bellamy had we could still have nicked a point or a win even though we were on the back foot for most of the game. Three points on Wednesday and it'll all be forgotten..

it shoudnt have taken jones 75 minutes or so to realise drinkwater was out of his depth

Drinkwater isnt match fit and should not have started BUT then again how is he going to get game time with NO reserve team ? Tate is the week link in their defence but he wasnt tested until Burke came on , why didnt Bellamy swap sides with Chops and Keogh may aswell just go back to Wolves ................ he's shite !!!!!!!

ps , doesnt Warren Feeney have to be an Ambo and attended at least 4 other away games to get a Swansea away tkt ??????

Have to agree, Drinkwater hadnt even had a run out before being put straight into a derby day first 11, a first 11 that has had a good run of results (with an in form Jay of course)