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Man Utd Hoping To Raise £500 Million

Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:18 am

Manchester United will be seeking to raise approximately £500 million aggregate principal amount from an offering of senior secured notes due 2017.

The notes, whose proceeds will be used to refinance existing debt secured against the Club, will be issued by MU Finance plc.

None of the notes or the guarantees to be issued in the offering have been or will be registered under the U.S. Securities Act of 1933 and may not be offered or sold in the United States absent registration or an applicable exemption from such registration requirements.

This announcement does not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation to buy in any jurisdiction in which such offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful prior to registration or qualification under the securities laws of any such jurisdiction and is not intended to provide the basis for any credit or other evaluation of any securities or offering referred to herein.

Source:

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={63600C0C-B276-4CB1-8FB1-3460BE926722}

I dont know what the hell it means, so can anyone put it in English for me and would it be something we could do at our club to raise money. 8-)

Re: Man Utd Hoping To Raise £500 Million

Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:30 am

Manchester United is profitable, but was hijacked by a bunch of American speculators. Let it be a lesson for us!

If I could choose, I would rather that our fans had effective control of our club. See my Benfica thread below. The fans are the only consistent thing in our club. I'll save you the trouble by pasting it here:

Last night I had dinner in Lisbon with a good friend who is a Benfica member - the Club is CONTROLLED by its members and is PROFITABLE. If only we could emulate the system they have.

The business that is the playing club is a company which is c.65% owned by the members and the remaining shares are held by private investors who treat the acquisition of a shareholding as a matter of prestige (i.e. an honour). With the majority shareholding, the members have effective control and call the shots. The President (tr. Chairman) of the members' club is most usually also CEO (tr. Chairman) of the company that controls the playing club.

In May 2004, Benfica's membership was c.95,000 and the club had dwindling attendances. At that time, an aggressive marketing campaign was launched to raise it to 200,000. On 30 September 2009, Benfica announced that it had reached the 200,000 mark for paid-up members. Membership is €12.00 per month (€144 per annum) and is treated as something of some importance. It is commonplace for parents to subscribe for their children (boys and girls) when they are born. After 25 years membership, the member receives a silver eagle (the eagle being the club symbol) and significantly enhanced voting rights over other members. After 50 years, the member receives a gold eagle and even greater voting rights (c.10 votes versus 1 vote for an ordinary member). A decent season ticket is priced at c.€300 per season and is additional to the membership subscription.

The members elect their President from within the membership every 3 years and the current incumbent has been in this position for c.9 years. My friend says that the tendency is to elect successful individuals as President, the members' thinking being that a track record of success in another walk of life should be a prerequisite for candidacy. The members have chapters all over Portugal and elsewhere, and a candidate for the presidency will have to travel extensively and meet with members over a long period if he/she is to be taken seriously as a candidate. As my friend says, it is one country's few real democracies.

The membership increase was achieved through a powerful marketing campaign where the key has been the ready availability of membership. Membership packs can be purchased at countless retail points all over the country including newsagents, petrol stations and supermarkets. A CD-like pack contains a card that can be taken to a cashpoint to activate membership. The ready availability and ease of use has also made the membership pack a popular gift.

The dramatic increase in membership has been mirrored by a significant rise in match attendance. Prior to the membership drive, home attendances could be as low as 20,000-25,000. Now home matches are never less than 40,000 to 45,000 - the stadium having a capacity of just over 65,000.

The Club has now set targets to increase membership to levels of 250,000 and 300,000 over time - this in a country of only 10.7m people and with major rival clubs such as Oporto, Sporting Lisbon and Braga. The City of Lisbon's population is 481,000.

I think that our biggest problem is that we want everything tomorrow. I would rather see us build proper foundations from the fan up over the longer term.

Re: Man Utd Hoping To Raise £500 Million

Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:42 am

I read the other day that Man Utd was looking to issue bonds in an effort to refinance their debt. Apparently the way they work is to offer interest rates 3% above base (0.5%) in exchange for bond certificate investments.

Basically small and large investors can buy a bond and receive interest on it until 2017 when the bond is cancelled and the investors are paid their money back.

It's a cheaper way to lend money as the Glazier's are paying huge interest rates on their loan which was used to buy Manchester United.

As for Cardiff City this principle has been used many times by Hammam (the loan notes), Isaacs, Borley and various other directors who have loaned the club money in the past. It's an intriguing idea but can you really see Ridsdale making the monthly interest rate payments for supporters who have 'invested' :lol:

Re: Man Utd Hoping To Raise £500 Million

Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:47 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:I read the other day that Man Utd was looking to issue bonds in an effort to refinance their debt. Apparently the way they work is to offer interest rates 3% above base (0.5%) in exchange for bond certificate investments.

Basically small and large investors can buy a bond and receive interest on it until 2017 when the bond is cancelled and the investors are paid their money back.

It's a cheaper way to lend money as the Glazier's are paying huge interest rates on their loan which was used to buy Manchester United.

As for Cardiff City this principle has been used many times by Hammam (the loan notes), Isaacs, Borley and various other directors who have loaned the club money in the past. It's an intriguing idea but can you really see Ridsdale making the monthly interest rate payments for supporters who have 'invested' :lol:


Someone delete this thread before Ridsdale sees it.. :lol:

Re: Man Utd Hoping To Raise £500 Million

Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:53 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:I read the other day that Man Utd was looking to issue bonds in an effort to refinance their debt. Apparently the way they work is to offer interest rates 3% above base (0.5%) in exchange for bond certificate investments.

Basically small and large investors can buy a bond and receive interest on it until 2017 when the bond is cancelled and the investors are paid their money back.

It's a cheaper way to lend money as the Glazier's are paying huge interest rates on their loan which was used to buy Manchester United.

As for Cardiff City this principle has been used many times by Hammam (the loan notes), Isaacs, Borley and various other directors who have loaned the club money in the past. It's an intriguing idea but can you really see Ridsdale making the monthly interest rate payments for supporters who have 'invested' :lol:


Lending money to your own unprofitable company at excessive interest rates is a tried and tested formula. You can even go out to the fans (tr. customers) with all sorts of begging bowls to plead assistance in keeping up with payments. Do UK fans get what they deserve? I am beginning to think so.

Re: Man Utd Hoping To Raise £500 Million

Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:03 pm

welshman wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:I read the other day that Man Utd was looking to issue bonds in an effort to refinance their debt. Apparently the way they work is to offer interest rates 3% above base (0.5%) in exchange for bond certificate investments.

Basically small and large investors can buy a bond and receive interest on it until 2017 when the bond is cancelled and the investors are paid their money back.

It's a cheaper way to lend money as the Glazier's are paying huge interest rates on their loan which was used to buy Manchester United.

As for Cardiff City this principle has been used many times by Hammam (the loan notes), Isaacs, Borley and various other directors who have loaned the club money in the past. It's an intriguing idea but can you really see Ridsdale making the monthly interest rate payments for supporters who have 'invested' :lol:


Someone delete this thread before Ridsdale sees it.. :lol:


Actually as normal PR is ahead of the game. Remember the Academy Foundation Scheme? That's a bond scheme in principle except Ridsdale takes your money but doesn't pay any interest :lol:

Re: Man Utd Hoping To Raise £500 Million

Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:04 pm

Uccello Azzurro wrote:Lending money to your own unprofitable company at excessive interest rates is a tried and tested formula. You can even go out to the fans (tr. customers) with all sorts of begging bowls to plead assistance in keeping up with payments. Do UK fans get what they deserve? I am beginning to think so.