City Fans - Stand Up and Be Counted

There was never any doubt that Ridsdale would try delaying and delaying this AGM/ EGM as he knows gross incompetence and financial mismanagement will be uncovered and almost certainly force him out of the club. I'm astonished that mass demonstrations are not inevitability for tomorrow and onwards, rather than what can only be described as sporadic attempts at doing so and the odd banner which would probably be confiscated anyway. I even seem to remember Annis being a little reticent recently, though open to correction on that?

Guys, we should be whipping this up to a crescendo of discontent in expressing our disgust that the very existence of our club is at risk because of that man, yet all we do is say lets wait for this, lets wait for that. I appreciate we need to be cute as well, Keith and many others have and will document the lies he has already told and the ones he will tell along with his gross financial mismanagement of our club, but quite why we should wait for that when we can protest on so many fronts I do not understand. Besides, we are waiting with time we do not have because;

Almost everyone is agreed we need investment to survive.
Most realise investment is not coming whilst that man is still here.
Most realise we are on the brink of administration now, the longer we wait, the more that develops into an inevitability rather than a probability.
Getting rid of him now gives us a chance, albeit small, but a chance that investors may do so before it is too late.
So what the hell are we waiting for?!

We should be leaving him and everyone connected with our club that we simply will not stand by and watch him destroy our club as he has the other clubs he has been at and bombard him from every possible angle until he either resigns or is forced out. With every passing day he remains at the club, Administration and possibly much worse becomes inevitable rather than probable. For those who are pro-Ridsdale, I cannot understand but accept your view and this is not aimed at you guys, but for all of us who realise what he is doing to our club, for God's sake stand up and be counted because he is killing our club.

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its all in hand with our lot

There was never any doubt that Ridsdale would try delaying and delaying this AGM/ EGM as he knows gross incompetence and financial mismanagement will be uncovered and almost certainly force him out of the club. I'm astonished that mass demonstrations are not inevitability for tomorrow and onwards, rather than what can only be described as sporadic attempts at doing so and the odd banner which would probably be confiscated anyway. I even seem to remember Annis being a little reticent recently, though open to correction on that?

Guys, we should be whipping this up to a crescendo of discontent in expressing our disgust that the very existence of our club is at risk because of that man, yet all we do is say lets wait for this, lets wait for that. I appreciate we need to be cute as well, Keith and many others have and will document the lies he has already told and the ones he will tell along with his gross financial mismanagement of our club, but quite why we should wait for that when we can protest on so many fronts I do not understand. Besides, we are waiting with time we do not have because;

Almost everyone is agreed we need investment to survive.
Most realise investment is not coming whilst that man is still here.
Most realise we are on the brink of administration now, the longer we wait, the more that develops into an inevitability rather than a probability.
Getting rid of him now gives us a chance, albeit small, but a chance that investors may do so before it is too late.
So what the hell are we waiting for?!

We should be leaving him and everyone connected with our club that we simply will not stand by and watch him destroy our club as he has the other clubs he has been at and bombard him from every possible angle until he either resigns or is forced out. With every passing day he remains at the club, Administration and possibly much worse becomes inevitable rather than probable. For those who are pro-Ridsdale, I cannot understand but accept your view and this is not aimed at you guys, but for all of us who realise what he is doing to our club, for God's sake stand up and be counted because he is killing our club.

So you're Pro-Ridsdale then!!?? - fantastic news!!! :ayatollah:

At a time when the club is in negotiations to intoduce more investment and is actively in discusions with interested parties demonstrations and banners are counterproductive. We dont want a reputation as being too hot to handle, we want a reputation as a club who passionately follow and support their club and team especially in times of adversity these are qualities potential owners and investors look for. We understand your frustration but we have still travelled along way since the mid nineties. At that time we could only dream of the fixtures and the stadium we now occupy. Keep the faith

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At a time when the club is in negotiations to intoduce more investment and is actively in discusions with interested parties demonstrations and banners are counterproductive. We dont want a reputation as being too hot to handle, we want a reputation as a club who passionately follow and support their club and team especially in times of adversity these are qualities potential owners and investors look for. We understand your frustration but we have still travelled along way since the mid nineties. At that time we could only dream of the fixtures and the stadium we now occupy. Keep the faith

Welcome aboard Steve

Do you think there could be good news soon with regards to investment?

welcome on board Steve, Annis said you had a good chat with him and understands your situation, and for you only people will calm down but we need answers, we all want the same thing and that is to getr Ridsdale out of our club

Bombarding Ridsdale with Emails and demonstrations will achieve nothing. He always has a ready answer and can turn himself into the victim at the drop of a hat, if you want evidence just look at his recent performances at the Municipal Club and Brunswick pub.

Further PR is a Leeds United fan yet all the abuse he got up there during 2002 was water off a ducks back and didn't make an iota of difference and he can almost spin himself out of any situation. Indeed the Leeds experience shows us that as in November 2002 (almost at the height of his unpopularity) he was re-elected as Leeds Chairman with record majority by its shareholders.

So if he didn't care about what fellow Leeds fans thought then he cares even less about what we think now.

Instead we should study further what happened at Leeds. It wasn’t until the full scale of his mismanagement came to light that disgruntled fans finally had a stick to beat him with. The clubs debt topped out at £103m and that was the catalyst which forced his hand into resignation.

I know we disagree on how to precede Salad but I truly think the way ahead is the Trusts EGM and a collating of evidence which CANNOT be denied.

By all means once we are in possession of that then we can demonstrate day and night as there will be no place for him to spin or hide anymore.

At a time when the club is in negotiations to intoduce more investment and is actively in discusions with interested parties demonstrations and banners are counterproductive. We dont want a reputation as being too hot to handle, we want a reputation as a club who passionately follow and support their club and team especially in times of adversity these are qualities potential owners and investors look for. We understand your frustration but we have still travelled along way since the mid nineties. At that time we could only dream of the fixtures and the stadium we now occupy. Keep the faith

I would have thought supporters who have coughed up £3m 10 months early during a period when the club was under threat of a winding up order was a very good indication of a supporters who follow and back their club no matter what.

If any potential new investors aren't impressed with that then they frankly won't be impressed with anything.

Tony that is precisely the type of commitment investors look for and the fans should be saluted for that effort.

Steve we got told that our money would be going to fetch new players in, i know we wont ,and this is why the fans feel let down, and can you blame them

Tony that is precisely the type of commitment investors look for and the fans should be saluted for that effort.

Bloody hell Steve Borley has replied to my post this MB gets better all the time.

At a time when the club is in negotiations to intoduce more investment and is actively in discusions with interested parties demonstrations and banners are counterproductive. We dont want a reputation as being too hot to handle, we want a reputation as a club who passionately follow and support their club and team especially in times of adversity these are qualities potential owners and investors look for. We understand your frustration but we have still travelled along way since the mid nineties. At that time we could only dream of the fixtures and the stadium we now occupy. Keep the faith

Steve, I do agree with your point. Football ownership is all about swings and roundabouts. Just like football management. Unless you're an absolute God to the fans or a completely incompetent numpty then every chairman and manager will experience the good and bad reactions from the fans. If a potential investor or chairman sees how we are reacting to the board now it may make them cautious about investing because they know that at some point they may be subjected to such antagonism.

Saying that, I don't think the fans can be blamed for wanting to demonstrate. They have been seemingly conned about the state of the club's finances with regards to season ticket money going on players. It's obviously not black and white and hopefully a potential investor could understand why the fans are reacting as they are. For the benefit of the club though I don't think any demonstrations should be made until the end of January. Then if we haven't been delivered what we were promised with regards new players we should then start taking action and wondering how badly screwed over we have been.

At a time when the club is in negotiations to intoduce more investment and is actively in discusions with interested parties demonstrations and banners are counterproductive. We dont want a reputation as being too hot to handle, we want a reputation as a club who passionately follow and support their club and team especially in times of adversity these are qualities potential owners and investors look for. We understand your frustration but we have still travelled along way since the mid nineties. At that time we could only dream of the fixtures and the stadium we now occupy. Keep the faith

Steve, I do agree with your point. Football ownership is all about swings and roundabouts. Just like football management. Unless you're an absolute God to the fans or a completely incompetent numpty then every chairman and manager will experience the good and bad reactions from the fans. If a potential investor or chairman sees how we are reacting to the board now it may make them cautious about investing because they know that at some point they may be subjected to such antagonism.

Saying that, I don't think the fans can be blamed for wanting to demonstrate. They have been seemingly conned about the state of the club's finances with regards to season ticket money going on players. It's obviously not black and white and hopefully a potential investor could understand why the fans are reacting as they are. For the benefit of the club though I don't think any demonstrations should be made until the end of January. Then if we haven't been delivered what we were promised with regards new players we should then start taking action and wondering how badly screwed over we have been.

there is NOT going to be anymore players in january that i can confirm

For the time been, I think most City fans would be happy if they knew when HMRC are to be paid. It's the not knowing if this bill can and will be paid.

That may be true, but until February 1st I don't see the point in taking action. Getting riled up will only wind ourselves up. The best for the club for now, in my eyes, is just concentrating on the action on the pitch. What happens between now and February 1st off the pitch is irrelevant to me... unless we go bust of course. However, as many a financial expert has said, we're too much of a good deal to go bust!

At a time when the club is in negotiations to intoduce more investment and is actively in discusions with interested parties demonstrations and banners are counterproductive. We dont want a reputation as being too hot to handle, we want a reputation as a club who passionately follow and support their club and team especially in times of adversity these are qualities potential owners and investors look for. We understand your frustration but we have still travelled along way since the mid nineties. At that time we could only dream of the fixtures and the stadium we now occupy. Keep the faith

Doesn't the fact that the club isn't paying it's creditors tarnish the "joy" of occupying the new stadium. Having been kicked out already from the new training facilities is it not a matter of time before we're kicked out from the stadium or are we to rely on the effective theft from creditors through bankrupcy? Will the players have to make their own way to away games?

I find no joy whatsoever in following a club that won't pay it's way and who's chairman lies to the supporters.

If worst comes to worse the current debt will be dealt with by player sales, hence wage decreases, and use of the season ticket money. There's not a realistic risk of us losing the stadium or club. The most we could lose in the foreseeable future is our current squad and coaching staff meaning we go back to square one.

Part of me is thinking this might not actually be a bad thing because our current squad haven't gained promotion yet so maybe a whole new strip and starting again might not be the end of the world!

I have a deep antipathy towards achieving anything at the cost of someone else. Why are we employing people at exhorbitant salaries yet refusing to pay creditors? Why are we paying bonuses when we can't afford to pay basics?!?

If worst comes to worse the current debt will be dealt with by player sales, hence wage decreases, and use of the season ticket money. There's not a realistic risk of us losing the stadium or club. The most we could lose in the foreseeable future is our current squad and coaching staff meaning we go back to square one.

Part of me is thinking this might not actually be a bad thing because our current squad haven't gained promotion yet so maybe a whole new strip and starting again might not be the end of the world!

I can see the method in your madness. I remember DJ's first season when we got by with players like Neil Cox and Neil Ardley in the side. From what I remember the quality of the football was a bit naff but we got through it OK and finished in the top half.

Plus we were being more shrewd in the market. The likes of Loovens, Johnson, McCormack and McNaughton all for cut price bargains. Rather than £1m fees! I am quite sadistic when it comes to football though and love being in the face of adversity. It's no fun otherwise!

At a time when the club is in negotiations to intoduce more investment and is actively in discusions with interested parties demonstrations and banners are counterproductive. We dont want a reputation as being too hot to handle, we want a reputation as a club who passionately follow and support their club and team especially in times of adversity these are qualities potential owners and investors look for. We understand your frustration but we have still travelled along way since the mid nineties. At that time we could only dream of the fixtures and the stadium we now occupy. Keep the faith

I appreciate where you are coming from Steve, but to clarify my thoughts, I believe every City supporter should do what we always do, support the team with fervour and passion on the field for 90 minutes as I believe there is no place for demonstrations or chanting during the game as that will be counter-productive to the team. After and before the game however, I believe every City supporter who feels the same as me should voice their disgust at the contempt and ineptitude at which our club is being run.

Make no mistake, potential investors should see Cardiff City Football Club as a hugely attractive proposition with huge potential on so many fronts with as passionate and as loyal supporters you will find anywhere, but we are loyal to the club, not to the person running it so abysmally and catastrophically it defies belief. If I believed we were close to investment I would not advocate such action, but I do not believe we are anywhere near investment with some justification and believe that you and other prominent people related to Cardiff City have had their love for our club abused by one man who uses you for his own means and agenda. I beg you Steve as someone who clearly loves our club to truly do what is best for our club because I believe you know more than anyone how close we are to losing it as a result of this mans lies, deceit and incompetence.

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Another clarification on my part is I wholeheartedly agree that the AGM/ EGM is by some distance THE most important part of uncovering the problems we have, but that should be the pinnacle of a sustained, orchestrated and peaceful series of protests against Peter Ridsdale.

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A couple of questions for you please, Mr Borley, any guidance you could give would very much help peoples thoughts on the current situation:

Will the HMRC debt be paid off before the end of January 2010, as has been promised?

Will be then be able to strengthen the squad before the end of the transfer window?

Has the funds from the sale of the 10,000 plus season tickets been set aside for team strengthening as has been promised?

Will we need to sell players before the end of the transfer window?

A little clarity on these matters would be very helpful for many thousands of City fans.

Your response would be very much appreciated. I am not necessarily asking for a detailed response as I know your time is precious, a single word answer to each question would suffice.

Many thanks

Thankyou for the chat today and I appreciate what you are doing for Our Club.

A couple of questions for you please, Mr Borley, any guidance you could give would very much help peoples thoughts on the current situation:

Will the HMRC debt be paid off before the end of January 2010, as has been promised?

Will be then be able to strengthen the squad before the end of the transfer window?

Has the funds from the sale of the 10,000 plus season tickets been set aside for team strengthening as has been promised?

Will we need to sell players before the end of the transfer window?

A little clarity on these matters would be very helpful for many thousands of City fans.

Your response would be very much appreciated. I am not necessarily asking for a detailed response as I know your time is precious, a single word answer to each question would suffice.

Agree, and not wanting to hold a gun to anyones head, but i'm sorry it's gone too far for me - i'm protesting tomorrow night and forever how much longer it takes until ridsdale has gone, or i'm afraid we will not have a club to support.

Many thanks

We got to wait a few weeks before any protest, got to give it a chance.