FAO TLG - re protest.

Let's see if we can have a civilised debate about the relative merits of a protest after the last thread was locked. As Annis says, no sniping by anybody, please.

Where I can see a protest having an effect is that Ridsdale doesn't seem to handle any abuse particularly well. We've heard a fan thrown out for singing "where's the money gone". He seems particularly tetchy as the pressure is mounting; I suspect the key will be to keep that pressure up because quite frankly, he'll end up making mistakes that really will make his chairmanship untenable.

Equally, a sizable protest - noisy certainly but non violent - will almost certainly receive publicity and not just in the local media. We, the fans, need publicity on a wider basis - there are many good national journalists around who quite frankly have little love for Ridsdale.

My concern is that by the time an EGM does occur, the damage done will be far too great; we'll survive but be set back by many years.

I appreciate the EGM is the "right" way to go; it needs to be part of a strategy in my opinion, not the sole strategy.

i think ridsdale is worried by any kind of protest, and yes my banner will be there, like you say any pressure on him and maybe just maybe he might crack and f**k off

I agree. Public pressure will lead to him buckling and leaving. That will be a good thing - we have other people that are more than capable of securing investment for the club, its not like Ridsdale has a CV full of glowing references from his previous clubs. With him gone I believe that we are a much more attractive proposition.

If My children werent Mascots tom I would 100% be there, I did it at Bristol City away, I did it about 20 times in the 80's and 90's and it does work.

As much as we hate to, we only need to look 40 miles west to see direct action can work.

Certainly, pressure needs to be mounted on multiple fronts.

Where I can see a protest having an effect is that Ridsdale doesn't seem to handle any abuse particularly well. We've heard a fan thrown out for singing "where's the money gone". He seems particularly tetchy as the pressure is mounting; I suspect the key will be to keep that pressure up because quite frankly, he'll end up making mistakes that really will make his chairmanship untenable.

Equally, a sizable protest - noisy certainly but non violent - will almost certainly receive publicity and not just in the local media. We, the fans, need publicity on a wider basis - there are many good national journalists around who quite frankly have little love for Ridsdale.

My feeling is that Peter Ridsdale won't resign regardless of any pressure he is put under. I think he has far too much to lose by doing so and, indeed, couldn't afford to do so with the WH Sports tax issue allegedly still to be resolved.

So we come to the rest of the board and the major shareholders. For reasons best known to themselves, and despite the mess the club has ended up in, they continue to keep faith with Ridsdale. Whether they back him as such is another question, but I'm positive they could relieve him of his duties if they felt it was for the good of the club. But, for whatever reason, they are leaving things as they are for the time being.

One of the biggest questions for me is who would replace Ridsdale as Chairman if he stepped down or was forced out at this stage. I don't believe there are currently any suitable candidates at the club, so I don't know where another chairman would come from given the present turbulent situation.

As I said in the other thread, characters as diverse as Steve Borley, Sam Hammam and Dato Chan Tien Ghee, all of whom have vested interests in the club, have been calling for calm despite the fact that they are almost certainly all looking at the situation from very different angles. Undoubtedly they know plenty about what's going on behind the scenes that we don't. That's the main reason why I won't be taking part in any demonstrations tomorrow.

I agree TLG, he wont resign he has to be either forced out or Voted out.

Where I can see a protest having an effect is that Ridsdale doesn't seem to handle any abuse particularly well. We've heard a fan thrown out for singing "where's the money gone". He seems particularly tetchy as the pressure is mounting; I suspect the key will be to keep that pressure up because quite frankly, he'll end up making mistakes that really will make his chairmanship untenable.

Equally, a sizable protest - noisy certainly but non violent - will almost certainly receive publicity and not just in the local media. We, the fans, need publicity on a wider basis - there are many good national journalists around who quite frankly have little love for Ridsdale.

My feeling is that Peter Ridsdale won't resign regardless of any pressure he is put under. I think he has far too much to lose by doing so and, indeed, couldn't afford to do so with the WH Sports tax issue allegedly still to be resolved.

So we come to the rest of the board and the major shareholders. For reasons best known to themselves, and despite the mess the club has ended up in, they continue to keep faith with Ridsdale. Whether they back him as such is another question, but I'm positive they could relieve him of his duties if they felt it was for the good of the club. But, for whatever reason, they are leaving things as they are for the time being.

One of the biggest questions for me is who would replace Ridsdale as Chairman if he stepped down or was forced out at this stage. I don't believe there are currently any suitable candidates at the club, so I don't know where another chairman would come from given the present turbulent situation.

As I said in the other thread, characters as diverse as Steve Borley, Sam Hammam and Dato Chan Tien Ghee, all of whom have vested interests in the club, have been calling for calm despite the fact that they are almost certainly all looking at the situation from very different angles. Undoubtedly they know plenty about what's going on behind the scenes that we don't. That's the main reason why I won't be taking part in any demonstrations tomorrow.

They are only looking out for each other. They gain to lose a lot if it does go Pete Tong i.e. Admin

Our club needs a shake-up from top to bottom.

I won't be taking part in any demo's at the ground at this stage either. I dont feel it is good for the club, players or Manager and i would probably feel a little upset to see any banners in the stadium DURING the game!

As a fellow fan, please lets just stick together and get a cracking atmosphere together and help support whats going on, on the field!!!!

They are only looking out for each other. They gain to lose a lot if it does go Pete Tong i.e. Admin

I think you meant looking out for themselves, Hailesy. I can't see Steve Borley looking out for Sam Hammam too much!

I know exactly what you are saying and I agree to a large degree. Indeed that, for me, is one of the most important factors. These guys (Borley, Hammam, Guy, etc) stand to lose plenty if it all goes tits-up, and yet they are content for Ridsdale to remain in his position for the time being. That, to me, suggests they believe the club is better off with him than without him at this point in time, or at least it's less likely to go pear-shaped if he stays than if he goes. Why that is exactly I don't know, but as I've said before I'm certain these guys know plenty that we don't about the situation.

Where I can see a protest having an effect is that Ridsdale doesn't seem to handle any abuse particularly well. We've heard a fan thrown out for singing "where's the money gone". He seems particularly tetchy as the pressure is mounting; I suspect the key will be to keep that pressure up because quite frankly, he'll end up making mistakes that really will make his chairmanship untenable.

Equally, a sizable protest - noisy certainly but non violent - will almost certainly receive publicity and not just in the local media. We, the fans, need publicity on a wider basis - there are many good national journalists around who quite frankly have little love for Ridsdale.

My feeling is that Peter Ridsdale won't resign regardless of any pressure he is put under. I think he has far too much to lose by doing so and, indeed, couldn't afford to do so with the WH Sports tax issue allegedly still to be resolved.

So we come to the rest of the board and the major shareholders. For reasons best known to themselves, and despite the mess the club has ended up in, they continue to keep faith with Ridsdale. Whether they back him as such is another question, but I'm positive they could relieve him of his duties if they felt it was for the good of the club. But, for whatever reason, they are leaving things as they are for the time being.

One of the biggest questions for me is who would replace Ridsdale as Chairman if he stepped down or was forced out at this stage. I don't believe there are currently any suitable candidates at the club, so I don't know where another chairman would come from given the present turbulent situation.

As I said in the other thread, characters as diverse as Steve Borley, Sam Hammam and Dato Chan Tien Ghee, all of whom have vested interests in the club, have been calling for calm despite the fact that they are almost certainly all looking at the situation from very different angles. Undoubtedly they know plenty about what's going on behind the scenes that we don't. That's the main reason why I won't be taking part in any demonstrations tomorrow.

I agree Ridsdale has his own motivation for staying on - and that board members ( and indeed directors, actual directors or not ) have their own motivation. Is there enough respect and trust in them to heed their call for calm? That's a judgement call individuals need to make.

I'd also venture support for Ridsdale can only go so far - should he snap, for example, and make public outbursts, then the ensuing publicity will probably be enough to loose what support is left.

Has Tien Ghee called for calm? Has anybody heard from him at all?

Ridsdale et al will no doubt give a master performance at any EGM - multiple angles will keep Ridsdale off guard.

"Direct Action" doesn't work, ask the ex miners for the best example in modern times.

Having a demonstration is complete waste of everyones time for several reasons. We do have many hot heads who whilst their heart is fully behind CCFC it only takes one with a few inside him (not patronising here as I class myself in this category!) to throw a bottle at a window, a ciggy butt on the floor, act in an "aggressive" manner towards an oafficer of law for all to kick off. I would guess there wil be a large plod presence tomorrow no doubt looking for some action which could lead to some very angry exchanges and a few of our friends being nicked which as it a football match will lead to the inevitable prison sentance!

I myself am not a fan of the nicey, nicey supporters trust, another complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned but at least their approach is considered, slowly, slowly catch the monkey. My opinion is to hurt them where it really hurts, says the tw*t that paid for the Golden Shower ticket with a debit card Do not buy anything in or around the stadium, the concessions have been sold off so it doesn't hurt the club, don't buy programmes, pies, beer, nothing, but absolutely nothing. The companies that have paid up front for these "rights" will be most pissed off and will not only be texting our yorkshire friend but actively seeking his head, tits, large belly and his somewhat overloaded wallet. Hit the man where it hurts in his wallet, simple, if he isn't troughing at the money. he'll f**k off somewhere else hopefuly back to leeds.

If that doesn't work out I do have some contacts in Panama, I'm sure they know of a club that "requires" pete's services

peter ridsale is a cunning and hard skinned individual

do people seriously think that hes going to be scared off by people shouting abuse at him whilst he is protected by stewards and probably the police ?

he wont care a toss

do you think hes been bothered by any of this ?

it will be like water off a ducks back

people like peter ridsdale have faced " anger " before

all he cares about is the money in his back pocket

I will be shouting anti ridsdale songs if any rise up tomorrow as I want him gone

but the only thing that can get rid of him is a takeover where he is run out of the club or the majority of the existing board and shareholders get rid of him

if people do protest they will have every right to do so and I hope he sees and hears it from the boardroom ...but he is ice cool and has more faces than a town hall clock

thats how people like him get where they are

"Direct Action" doesn't work, ask the ex miners for the best example in modern times.

Having a demonstration is complete waste of everyones time for several reasons. We do have many hot heads who whilst their heart is fully behind CCFC it only takes one with a few inside him (not patronising here as I class myself in this category!) to throw a bottle at a window, a ciggy butt on the floor, act in an "aggressive" manner towards an oafficer of law for all to kick off. I would guess there wil be a large plod presence tomorrow no doubt looking for some action which could lead to some very angry exchanges and a few of our friends being nicked which as it a football match will lead to the inevitable prison sentance!

I myself am not a fan of the nicey, nicey supporters trust, another complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned but at least their approach is considered, slowly, slowly catch the monkey. My opinion is to hurt them where it really hurts, says the tw*t that paid for the Golden Shower ticket with a debit card Do not buy anything in or around the stadium, the concessions have been sold off so it doesn't hurt the club, don't buy programmes, pies, beer, nothing, but absolutely nothing. The companies that have paid up front for these "rights" will be most pissed off and will not only be texting our yorkshire friend but actively seeking his head, tits, large belly and his somewhat overloaded wallet. Hit the man where it hurts in his wallet, simple, if he isn't troughing at the money. he'll f**k off somewhere else hopefuly back to leeds.

If that doesn't work out I do have some contacts in Panama, I'm sure they know of a club that "requires" pete's services

you might not be a fan of the supporters trust but can you tell me of any other group of fans that has organised itself and managed to get the club to face the music with reagrd to its finances ?

I cant think of any

Good thread this.

Speaking as someone who thought that those who were saying that the Malaysians were refusing to talk to Peter Ridsdale because he didn't tell them about the first winding up order were probably right, I was very surprised when our Chairman was able to claim the unanimous backing of the Board and major shareholders at Thursday's press conference - in a way, it had me thinking "back to square one" in my attempts to try and figure out what was happening at the club.

However, Annis said something in another thread yesterday which could explain things. Although, in my experience, a person who resigns from a post tends to give up claims to any compensation, if that is not the case here then things start to make a bit more sense. If Peter Ridsdale's numerous offers to resign carry conditions that demand a compensation package, then the decision not to accept his resignation becomes more understandable.

As for Mr Ridsdale, I can't help thinking that some are falling into the trap of thinking that getting him out is the main object of the exercise here - in fact, reading some of the stuff on here, you get the feeling that there are those who think that it is the only object of the exercise. For me, finding a way out of the current mess has to be the first priority, now, hopefully, this will happen with our Chairman leaving as well, but, I will derive no satisfaction at all from a situation that sees Peter Ridsdale gone but also sees us preparing for life in the Zamaretto Southern League or, please God no, the Welsh Premier League as AFC City or something similar.

With regard to any demonstration today, I must admit to sharing Willy the Wombat's concerns that it will only need one person who is even more tanked up than normal to start throwing objects or punches for it to play right into our Chairman's hands. At the moment, the supporters undoubtedly hold the moral high ground in this situation because there is almost universal agreement that we have been sold something under false pretences.We would lose that straight away though if something happened at the demonstration today which gave the media an opportunity to brand us as a band of mindless thugs (let's face it, they don't need much encouragement to do that do they). This is why I believe that organised and peaceful protest in conjunction with backing for the Trust's call for an EGM (a few more signing up for the Trust wouldn't go amiss either) is the way in which we can best get across how we are feeling.

Excellent thread guys. Personally I am a huge fan of what Willy the Wombat is advocating as I have also said many times before viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5056 though his take is slightly different. I also understand TLG and others reasoning behind not demonstrating, though I do not agree. I certainly understand the view especially well documented by Bob (as always) that the potential for unsavoury scenes is great. That is a concern obviously and we must stress that any protests should be peaceful and only come after giving the team 100% support first. Whether that happens shamefully depends on the result and performance I would suggest. Whatever misgivings I have about our team and Dave Jones, our support (or disatisfaction for that matter) of them should in no way be related to off field matters, though that is but an idealistic dream alas.

Too much has happened for protests not to happen, though, and I for one am growing incredulous at the laughable delays in makng our feelings known. What are we waiting for, are we waiting for administration or liquidation before it is deemed "right" to demonstrate? I don't see how venting our anger at gross incomepetence and despicable deceit should be seen as counter-productive, I for one could live with demonstrating and still see our club fall, as it stands that is unquestionably what is going to happen anyway, but to stand by doing little or nothing until it is too late is something that would eat me up inside forever.