TRUST QUESTION

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

Bit harsh. It just needs vigour. And support from the fans that's all. I haven't joined yet but will do asap.

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

I disagree. It is by far the most sensible way for fans to consolidate.

Do you have an alternative to propose?

Your estimate on addresses (i.e. membership numbers) is well short of recent figures the CCST have released. Recent events have reinforced the case for the CCST and a rise in new memberships seems to reflect that.

As usual, is there a touch of agent provocateur in your post?

Totally disagree with daya

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

Do you honestly think that this demo will have more of an effect than the EGM?What results do you expect to come from the demo?

I'm 100% behind the demo by the way as I think any way of showing our anger is a good thing I just think some people seem to think the board will all step down just because of protestors.

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

Do you honestly think that this demo will have more of an effect than the EGM?What results do you expect to come from the demo?

I'm 100% behind the demo by the way as I think any way of showing our anger is a good thing I just think some people seem to think the board will all step down just because of protestors.

I don't believe they will step down Saturday.

The demo is already receiving far, far more media attention than the EGM. In that aspect, it's a bigger success than the Trust action - there are many journos who can't stand Ridsdale - this is a nice action enabling them to frame stories upon him.

Given the ban on Risoli and NOTW, I'd suspect they'll be reporting it well.

All of which puts far, far more pressure on Ridsdale. Which he doesn't seem to handle too well.

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

Do you honestly think that this demo will have more of an effect than the EGM?What results do you expect to come from the demo?

I'm 100% behind the demo by the way as I think any way of showing our anger is a good thing I just think some people seem to think the board will all step down just because of protestors.

I don't believe they will step down Saturday.

The demo is already receiving far, far more media attention than the EGM. In that aspect, it's a bigger success than the Trust action - there are many journos who can't stand Ridsdale - this is a nice action enabling them to frame stories upon him.

Given the ban on Risoli and NOTW, I'd suspect they'll be reporting it well.

All of which puts far, far more pressure on Ridsdale. Which he doesn't seem to handle too well.

You right and I'm not trying to question the demo for one second.I just dont think its the answer to our prayers,as I have already said I dont see there being any more impact than the EGM in the long run.I really hope I'm wrong though.I cant wait to see the back of them as much as everyone else.

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

Do you honestly think that this demo will have more of an effect than the EGM?What results do you expect to come from the demo?

I'm 100% behind the demo by the way as I think any way of showing our anger is a good thing I just think some people seem to think the board will all step down just because of protestors.

Agreed. I'm behind the demo as a means of voicing our displeasure but the board won't go anywhere near stepping down because of it.

And why the hell are people using the demo as a stick to beat the trust with? It's not a competition, the organizers of the demo have done well but the trust is still finding its feet. Over the years it'll be the trust that will be the true, effective voice of the fans.

I don't see why people feel the need to have a pop at the trust just because another avenue of protest is gathering pace, a lot of trust members are behind it so why the need to try and create divide. Having said that the thread starter does try to get people fired during a recession so maybe being vindictive is just in his nature

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

I don't see the point in taking pot shots at the TRUST, I am not a member as I could not really see the point at the time they set up, as everything was thought to be rosy in the 'Cardiff City garden'. Trusts have very little influence at clubs where there is a strong board. However, the time is now almost upon us, where the TRUST could come into it's own. If and when the club goes into aministration, then, there may be an opportunity for an organisation like the TRUST to really do something special. At that stage I will join the TRUST.

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

I don't see the point in taking pot shots at the TRUST, I am not a member as I could not really see the point at the time they set up, as everything was thought to be rosy in the 'Cardiff City garden'. Trusts have very little influence at clubs where there is a strong board. However, the time is now almost upon us, where the TRUST could come into it's own. If and when the club goes into aministration, then, there may be an opportunity for an organisation like the TRUST to really do something special. At that stage I will join the TRUST.

I'd not fully agree.

The fact remains, there will always be a blurring between "personal / Trust" when someone posts. Comes with the territory.

Now, TLG seems vehemently against the march - now, it's perfectly fine to disagree with it. He then creates a thread http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... 9e&start=0 which reads as if it's mocking the aims and objectives of the march.

It's one thing to disagree. It's another thing to openly mock, which is where TLG goes too far.

Now, the Trust approach has been to go the EGM route - well, club stole that thunder as EGM had to occur. Force another one, well, based upon the EGM that occured, can't see much different realistically happening. Sit down meetings? Well, it's the passive way to go, but we all know full well the result will be exactly the same.

Now, I refer you to the Jacks trust - they used more direct action which ran Petty out of town, from memory.

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

I don't see the point in taking pot shots at the TRUST, I am not a member as I could not really see the point at the time they set up, as everything was thought to be rosy in the 'Cardiff City garden'. Trusts have very little influence at clubs where there is a strong board. However, the time is now almost upon us, where the TRUST could come into it's own. If and when the club goes into aministration, then, there may be an opportunity for an organisation like the TRUST to really do something special. At that stage I will join the TRUST.

I'd not fully agree.

The fact remains, there will always be a blurring between "personal / Trust" when someone posts. Comes with the territory.

Now, TLG seems vehemently against the march - now, it's perfectly fine to disagree with it. He then creates a thread http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... 9e&start=0 which reads as if it's mocking the aims and objectives of the march.

It's one thing to disagree. It's another thing to openly mock, which is where TLG goes too far.

Now, the Trust approach has been to go the EGM route - well, club stole that thunder as EGM had to occur. Force another one, well, based upon the EGM that occured, can't see much different realistically happening. Sit down meetings? Well, it's the passive way to go, but we all know full well the result will be exactly the same.

Now, I refer you to the Jacks trust - they used more direct action which ran Petty out of town, from memory.

well said that man.

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

I don't see the point in taking pot shots at the TRUST, I am not a member as I could not really see the point at the time they set up, as everything was thought to be rosy in the 'Cardiff City garden'. Trusts have very little influence at clubs where there is a strong board. However, the time is now almost upon us, where the TRUST could come into it's own. If and when the club goes into aministration, then, there may be an opportunity for an organisation like the TRUST to really do something special. At that stage I will join the TRUST.

I'd not fully agree.

The fact remains, there will always be a blurring between "personal / Trust" when someone posts. Comes with the territory.

Now, TLG seems vehemently against the march - now, it's perfectly fine to disagree with it. He then creates a thread http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... 9e&start=0 which reads as if it's mocking the aims and objectives of the march.

It's one thing to disagree. It's another thing to openly mock, which is where TLG goes too far.

Now, the Trust approach has been to go the EGM route - well, club stole that thunder as EGM had to occur. Force another one, well, based upon the EGM that occured, can't see much different realistically happening. Sit down meetings? Well, it's the passive way to go, but we all know full well the result will be exactly the same.

Now, I refer you to the Jacks trust - they used more direct action which ran Petty out of town, from memory.

I think I'm right in saying that the Jacks trust is much bigger than ours currently

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

Firstly , well done to the demo organisers. It looks like it is both well organised and supported and can only help in bringing extra pressure on the board to do their jobs properly.Lets hope the event goes off peacefully and is not spoilt by any idiots.

You won`t be surprised to see that I disagree with your comments about the Trust though. On what basis do you believe that it is falling apart? It now has about 930 members from a standing start just over a year ago when fans were probably reluctant to join when the image being given out by the club was that everything was rosy . And your figure of 200 addresses is wildly out - there is only a small proportion of family membership in the total. The 930 compares quite favourably even with a club like Swansea whose long established Trust has been going about 9 years and had a membership (at May 2009) of just over 1,600 from an initial membership of 600 - our growth rate to date has been greater than theirs.

I personally support the march as an alternative means of influencing the club , and know that many Trust members (including Board members) will be taking part. I don`t agree with what appears to be your view that the Trust methods and more direct action have to compete in some way for support - they should be mutually beneficial.

I look forward to your switch back to supporting the Trust in the near future , then a quick switch to having a go at it , then a switch back to supporting it etc. etc. etc.

I think I'm right in saying that the Jacks trust is much bigger than ours currently

Indeed - except I referred to their actions removing Petty. Which was years ago.

I think I'm right in saying that the Jacks trust is much bigger than ours currently

Indeed - except I referred to their actions removing Petty. Which was years ago.

Ah ok, I thought that it was bigger than ours is now when they removed Petty. Was it?

dayo what game are u up to ?

only two weeks ago on here you were saying that the trust was a good idea, it was time to get organised and you asked corkey for details , on here

now you are stirring things up again, creating divisions

many people in the trust are supporting this march , I think its a great idea

seriously now, what on earth are you doing with posts like this ?

we can move forward on many fronts

the trust is one way , the march is another




but childish little digs like this are as bad as the continual name calling that goes on between the messageboards

quite frankly , its f*cking pathetic

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

Why do you ask? Are you looking for someone new to stalk?

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

I don't see the point in taking pot shots at the TRUST, I am not a member as I could not really see the point at the time they set up, as everything was thought to be rosy in the 'Cardiff City garden'. Trusts have very little influence at clubs where there is a strong board. However, the time is now almost upon us, where the TRUST could come into it's own. If and when the club goes into aministration, then, there may be an opportunity for an organisation like the TRUST to really do something special. At that stage I will join the TRUST.

I'd not fully agree.

The fact remains, there will always be a blurring between "personal / Trust" when someone posts. Comes with the territory.

Now, TLG seems vehemently against the march - now, it's perfectly fine to disagree with it. He then creates a thread http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... 9e&start=0 which reads as if it's mocking the aims and objectives of the march.

It's one thing to disagree. It's another thing to openly mock, which is where TLG goes too far.

Now, the Trust approach has been to go the EGM route - well, club stole that thunder as EGM had to occur. Force another one, well, based upon the EGM that occured, can't see much different realistically happening. Sit down meetings? Well, it's the passive way to go, but we all know full well the result will be exactly the same.

Now, I refer you to the Jacks trust - they used more direct action which ran Petty out of town, from memory.

dayo is attempting to belittle the trust and mock its ordinary members with this post

he is well out of order in my opinion

no need for it at all steve

Though Im 100% behind the march......... it appears to be an individual thing.

My only concern is if the TRUST cant make quick decisions do we need a mass meeting for everything?

Personally I dont the club has much future......... whichever way it pans out if we have no TRUST then we'll have no chance at all.

FFS cant we agree on something without bickering?

Now, TLG seems vehemently against the march - now, it's perfectly fine to disagree with it. He then creates a thread which reads as if it's mocking the aims and objectives of the march.

It's one thing to disagree. It's another thing to openly mock, which is where TLG goes too far.

Now, I refer you to the Jacks trust - they used more direct action which ran Petty out of town, from memory.

What on earth are you talking about?

The thread you linked had absolutely NOTHING to do with the march. I was simply asking what happens next if some people get their way and the current board steps down. How is that 'openly mocking' the march, for Christ's sake?!?

Are the people who are either setting up this event or participating in it now so precious about it that they are linking any post about the current situation at our club to the march? If so, they want to get their heads out of their backsides a bit sharpish.

Last night's post/question was a response to those who were giving Steve Borley all sorts of abuse and stating that the whole board should f**k off now. It had absolutely nothing to do with the march. I don't know about you, but I'm genuinely interested to know what such people think is going to happen to the club if the board does resign en bloc.

As for Swansea, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a rival consortium (led by Mel Nurse) waiting to take the club over when they 'ran Petty out of town'?

I think I'm right in saying that the Jacks trust is much bigger than ours currently

Indeed - except I referred to their actions removing Petty. Which was years ago.

Ah ok, I thought that it was bigger than ours is now when they removed Petty. Was it?

No sure. I'd say around the same size.

How many members addresses do you have , not individuals but actual addresses.

The Demo organisers have done more in a few days than the trust has achieved in over a year.... no wonder its falling apart and renewals are not being renewed. Pointless talking shop so far with i believe only with 200 actual addresses. Its failed to promote itself, and left itself wide open for critism. In a year its not achieved nothing and probably wise to disband it.

the demo organisers ...who I support and will be supporting the march ..have organised a march

which hopefully will be well attended and will allow us fans to show how pissed off with the club we are

in the last year the trust have lowered prices at the stadium , as not everyone can afford the premier seats .....lowered prices for the celtic game ...as thousands of city fans were disgusted with the prices ccfc were going to charge ...organised a community day where we found out that lots of people from he local community were really interested in ccfc ..something we never knew ..and if the club ever got their act together would tap into some support....and have put together an educational pack for local schools to hopefully prevent youngsters from getting involved in anti social behaviour which gives the club a bad name ...we are also organising a bands nite in april ...and also will have some events in the near future where former players will be having a questionand answer evening with the fans ..so people can talk face to face with some of cardiff citys past greats

dayo you are critisising the lone gunman as an individual on the back of this ..thats fine within reason ...but dont drag the trust down on the back of it ..thats well out of order ..there are a lot of people who work hard on the trust and ordinary members who do their best as volunteers

you are out of order..especially as you were openly supporting the trust onlya few weeks ago

now give it a rest for christs sake

sludge

Now, TLG seems vehemently against the march - now, it's perfectly fine to disagree with it. He then creates a thread which reads as if it's mocking the aims and objectives of the march.

It's one thing to disagree. It's another thing to openly mock, which is where TLG goes too far.

Now, I refer you to the Jacks trust - they used more direct action which ran Petty out of town, from memory.

What on earth are you talking about?

The thread you linked had absolutely NOTHING to do with the march. I was simply asking what happens next if some people get their way and the current board steps down. How is that 'openly mocking' the march, for Christ's sake?!?

Are the people who are either setting up this event or participating in it now so precious about it that they are linking any post about the current situation at our club to the march? If so, they want to get their heads out of their backsides a bit sharpish.

Last night's post/question was a response to those who were giving Steve Borley all sorts of abuse and stating that the whole board should f**k off now. It had absolutely nothing to do with the march. I don't know about you, but I'm genuinely interested to know what such people think is going to happen to the club if the board does resign en bloc.

As for Swansea, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a rival consortium (led by Mel Nurse) waiting to take the club over when they 'ran Petty out of town'?

From day one, you've claimed demos / marches are pointless. You've held onto the EGM tactics as a sole tactic. Which hasn't
worked.

The demo will raise pressure upon Ridsdale - quite frankly the guy is losing what little of the plot he has left. The EGM tactic was ineffective as a sole tactic, the march is going to garner far more negative publicity for Petey. Which he doesn't want, since this job was to be his "rehabilitation" job.

You know full well the entire board will not resign en bloc. That's a fatuous argument based around something that will not happen. What would almost certainly happen should the pressure rise is certain elements of the board may well quit, we'd have to evaluate the situation from then on.

Yup, there was a consortium waiting to take Swansea over. Petty fled to Australia, and his time spent there wasn't exactly an easy ride. Not like there are anybody interested in us, eh? Who invested in January?

Like it or not, going solely the EGM route made things easier for Ridders et al. Handling that kinda situation, water off a ducks back. Ridsdale doesn't seem to like more direct comments, as seen by recent events.

dayo what game are u up to ?

only two weeks ago on here you were saying that the trust was a good idea, it was time to get organised and you asked corkey for details , on here

now you are stirring things up again, creating divisions

many people in the trust are supporting this march , I think its a great idea

seriously now, what on earth are you doing with posts like this ?

we can move forward on many fronts

the trust is one way , the march is another




but childish little digs like this are as bad as the continual name calling that goes on between the messageboards

quite frankly , its f*cking pathetic

Well said

From day one, you've claimed demos / marches are pointless.

Utter bollocks. You're putting words in my mouth that are not mine.

In my opinion, demos and marches can be extremely useful under the right circumstances.

From day one, you've claimed demos / marches are pointless.

Utter bollocks. You're putting words in my mouth that are not mine.

In my opinion, demos and marches can be extremely useful under the right circumstances.

Define the circumstance in which they can be extremely useful.

When the chairman has a history of mismanagement of football clubs? When fans of other clubs he screwed over may be attending? When national media are interested in covering it?

This march will raise far more pressure upon Ridsdale than the EGM, because there will be far, far more media attention upon it. In that aim, it's an extremely useful tactic, one you've played down ever since the march was announced.

You know full well the entire board will not resign en bloc. That's a fatuous argument based around something that will not happen.

It's an argument?!?

Tell me, what on earth is my argument exactly?

I have merely asked a question. I didn't give what I believe to be the answer because, like you, I think such a scenario is highly unlikely. However, it seems there are plenty of fans who do think it could or should happen, and that's who my questions was directed at. I thought that much was obvious.

To reiterate, it had absolutely f**k all to do with this march.

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Define the circumstance in which they can be extremely useful.

In an instance like this, I think a demonstration or march could be extremely useful if there was a rival consortium waiting to buy the club but the current regime was digging its heels in.

As was the case at Swansea, in fact.

From day one, you've claimed demos / marches are pointless.

Utter bollocks. You're putting words in my mouth that are not mine.

In my opinion, demos and marches can be extremely useful under the right circumstances.

Define the circumstance in which they can be extremely useful.

When the chairman has a history of mismanagement of football clubs? When fans of other clubs he screwed over may be attending? When national media are interested in covering it?

This march will raise far more pressure upon Ridsdale than the EGM, because there will be far, far more media attention upon it. In that aim, it's an extremely useful tactic, one you've played down ever since the march was announced.

When there is actually a clear aim for the march

when people know the 'questions' they want answered

Maybe a realistic aim, or outcome

I'm not against the march, and think it's great we're showing the board we won't sit back but I still don't really know what we can actually achieve.
It's not like we have any realistic change of outsing the board until any investment comes in ( if it does )

I think the aim of the march is to show the club and the outside world that we are pissed off with being fed bullshit and that we care passionately about our club

thats fine by me

however this is somewhat deflecting from dayos rather infantile digs at the trust itself , which is out of order and quite frankly pissing off people like me who support both forms of action and couldnt give a f**k about all this ego bullshit