For any still Not Sure About the March

Maybe this can sway your decision:

The club dragged before the courts twice regarding Winding up Petitions from HMRC.Alleged debt of £2.7 Million.

Possible Investment from Malayasian investors stopped alledgedly due to being lied to regarding the tax issue.

£90,000.00 Alleged owed to the FAW from the Scotland International game.

WH Sports Company wound up with debts of more than £387,000.00 after the company recieved payments in the region of £1,034,490 and a bonus of £500,000.00 for the servcies of Mr. Peter Ridsdale.

Keith Harris borugh onto the board yet fails to have done anything of any significance, at the EGM the board could not confirm if Mr. Harris was taking a salary and if he was they didnt know how much???

Shine Food Machinery taken out widning up petition against the club for fitting out works at the new stadium for an alledged debt of more than £750,000.00.

Supporters lied to regarding Season ticket mneys to go on new players when at the time fo the offer the club was subject to a transfer embargo.

Whilst debts remained outstanding to suppliers our Chairmen took a £100,000.00 bonus.

Rumours of monies owed to the Cardiff bLues for sales through the club shop.

A refusal to answer quesions at the EGM:

# PR: I can't answer any more questions on winding up orders, but aim to sort them
# PR: I will not say how much we owe creditors, as it's sensitive information.
# PR: I will not discuss the transfer embargo

And finally from now till the end of the season the club has more outgoings than income, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out a bumpier ride is coming our way over the next few weeks.

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Oooooooooooooooo feel that positivity. Im going to support my team on Saturday and i won't be part of any Demo thank you.

I am in favour of the march, even though I haven't thought the previous demo outside the ground wouldn't have swayed ridsdale in the slightest, but the thing that annoys me most is the way we, as paying customers, ahve been lied to and treated with utter contempt. I got over the ST fiasco, I was annoyed, but what can we do now? The money's gone. But, what really, really grates on me is the way that the club are covering up where the money has gone to and refuse point blank to tell us where the money has gone. It's our money, we have to be told where it's gone and to say that iot's sensitive suggests darker motives and reasons behind it all. If it was all above board, then they woukld tell us, wouldn't they?

Oooooooooooooooo feel that positivity. Im going to support my team on Saturday and i won't be part of any Demo thank you.

I'll be supporting my team too.

I think by now most people realise the reasons why fans feel aggrieved and want to show their frustrations through a demo. What the ‘unsure’ want to know is what possible benefits will a demo bring?

It’s a good question and unfortunately no-one can guarantee anything, but what I would point out to those who doubt the affect of a march is this; why if this march is not going to achieve anything has a prominent member of the board spent this week trying to discrediting the main organiser?

The answer is people like Borley and Ridsdale know the value of control and operate on that basis and like nothing more than to see their ‘underlings’ lapping out of bowls they put in front of them.

So if nothing else by marching you prove you are not a lap dog and won’t be controlled by bullshit.

Therefore the ‘benefit’ of marching in significant numbers will be the fact that NOTHING could be more frightening to Borley/Ridsdale than seeing their control disappear, because when that goes so does their powerbase.

I've thought about this long and hard but I've decided not to support the march.

I believe we should work through the Supporters Trusts - that's what it is there for, it is democratic, contains some very skilled and knowledgable people, and has had some great successes recently in getting the club to change policies on things like the family stand, prices for refreshments, and making the club hold an EGM.

The club is in a terrible mess and the solutions will be complicated and messy. I don't think a march will find the solutions we need but the combined skills of the Trust C'ttee woould have a better chance. The committee can gather evidence from other trusts, speak to legal and financial experts, plan long term media campaigns, communicate with a wide variety of fans, and gain the respect of influential parties like the local council, the FAW, the FA, fellow shareholders, even WAG.

For all their good intentions, the organisers of the march have nowhere near such capabilities.

Nevertheless I fully respect your concerns and hope everything goes well for you on Saturday.

Sorry but the trust as good as it is is too mild for the cardiff city board .They would talk and talk and talk for ages without ever really doing anything .The only way they will listen is through protesting and withdrawal of money

I've thought about this long and hard but I've decided not to support the march.

I believe we should work through the Supporters Trusts - that's what it is there for, it is democratic, contains some very skilled and knowledgable people, and has had some great successes recently in getting the club to change policies on things like the family stand, prices for refreshments, and making the club hold an EGM.

The club is in a terrible mess and the solutions will be complicated and messy. I don't think a march will find the solutions we need but the combined skills of the Trust C'ttee woould have a better chance. The committee can gather evidence from other trusts, speak to legal and financial experts, plan long term media campaigns, communicate with a wide variety of fans, and gain the respect of influential parties like the local council, the FAW, the FA, fellow shareholders, even WAG.

For all their good intentions, the organisers of the march have nowhere near such capabilities.

Nevertheless I fully respect your concerns and hope everything goes well for you on Saturday.

I think that the activities of the CCST and the marchers' justifiable protest can go hand in hand. I can fully see why the Trust is somewhat "neutral" on the march, but it should be noted that a number of key figures from the CCST have declared that they will be participating. I am out of the country so cannot walk, but I support it all the same.

The mass of CCFC supporters need to display their feelings and a disciplined protest is a good way to do that. One suspects that there will have to be other marches and CCST demands for dialogue and information before any meaningful changes occur.

The march won't change anything but it'll make me feel better knowing I am actually voicing my views of unhappiness and anger. Freedom of speech is being used and we have the right to voice our discontent. I'll still support the team but I'll be there outside the stadium before kick off to show that I'm not happy with the way the club's been run.

Yes appreciate that

I've thought about this long and hard but I've decided not to support the march.

I believe we should work through the Supporters Trusts - that's what it is there for, it is democratic, contains some very skilled and knowledgable people, and has had some great successes recently in getting the club to change policies on things like the family stand, prices for refreshments, and making the club hold an EGM.

The club is in a terrible mess and the solutions will be complicated and messy. I don't think a march will find the solutions we need but the combined skills of the Trust C'ttee woould have a better chance. The committee can gather evidence from other trusts, speak to legal and financial experts, plan long term media campaigns, communicate with a wide variety of fans, and gain the respect of influential parties like the local council, the FAW, the FA, fellow shareholders, even WAG.

For all their good intentions, the organisers of the march have nowhere near such capabilities.

Nevertheless I fully respect your concerns and hope everything goes well for you on Saturday.

I respect your choice not to be at the March however just on a few of your points, the EGM was called to put the landsale agreement through and arranged by the Board because they needed it.The Trust didn't "make" the club hold the EGM.

Im all for fighting the current board on a number of fronts and I believe the demo, the Trust and the supporters club will do so. My main concern as a City fan is that going down the formal route (which has to be done also) takes too long and I believe something needs to change and now. Direct action such as the march gets that message across and further backs the Trusts calls on the club.

Interestingly enough for you a number of the Trust will be at the march Saturday, fighting for our club on as many fronts as possible.

I've thought about this long and hard but I've decided not to support the march.

I believe we should work through the Supporters Trusts - that's what it is there for, it is democratic, contains some very skilled and knowledgable people, and has had some great successes recently in getting the club to change policies on things like the family stand, prices for refreshments, and making the club hold an EGM.

The club is in a terrible mess and the solutions will be complicated and messy. I don't think a march will find the solutions we need but the combined skills of the Trust C'ttee woould have a better chance. The committee can gather evidence from other trusts, speak to legal and financial experts, plan long term media campaigns, communicate with a wide variety of fans, and gain the respect of influential parties like the local council, the FAW, the FA, fellow shareholders, even WAG.

For all their good intentions, the organisers of the march have nowhere near such capabilities.

Nevertheless I fully respect your concerns and hope everything goes well for you on Saturday.

I respect your choice not to be at the March however just on a few of your points, the EGM was called to put the landsale agreement through and arranged by the Board because they needed it.The Trust didn't "make" the club hold the EGM.

Im all for fighting the current board on a number of fronts and I believe the demo, the Trust and the supporters club will do so. My main concern as a City fan is that going down the formal route (which has to be done also) takes too long and I believe something needs to change and now. Direct action such as the march gets that message across and further backs the Trusts calls on the club.

Interestingly enough for you a number of the Trust will be at the march Saturday, fighting for our club on as many fronts as possible.

First, let me say thank you for respecting my decision rather than just slagging me off.

I appreciate everything that's been said but I just think it would be better if all our actions were funelled through one body - ie the Trust. We all know what a clever operator Ridsdale can be and I just fear that he will use to his advantage the fact that there are several groups of opposing fans.

Having different protest groups could result in us having different demands or different worries raised which could allow Ridsdale to have a degree of 'wriggle room'. It could also mean that the press will carry different messages about the fans' concerns.

For that reason, if there are future actions plans than I would suggerst that they are at least endorsed by the Trust.

Still, all the best for Saturday.

As you said the trust as a body is neutral .Honestly believe that their softly softly be nice be nice lets do this the correct way approach will not work. BY the time they would get results that way then there would be NO CLUB as it isThere again we are all entitled to our opinions

i wont be marching il be supporting the club in the ground supporting the players where we need it most cause if we dont start winning and if we go in 2 admin we could be relegated 2 league1 where we wil be FCUKED and probs end up without a club

i wont be marching il be supporting the club in the ground supporting the players where we need it most cause if we dont start winning and if we go in 2 admin we could be relegated 2 league1 where we wil be FCUKED and probs end up without a club

who exactly taking part in the march wont be inside the ground supporting the team then????

I've thought about this long and hard but I've decided not to support the march.

I believe we should work through the Supporters Trusts - that's what it is there for, it is democratic, contains some very skilled and knowledgable people, and has had some great successes recently in getting the club to change policies on things like the family stand, prices for refreshments, and making the club hold an EGM.

The club is in a terrible mess and the solutions will be complicated and messy. I don't think a march will find the solutions we need but the combined skills of the Trust C'ttee woould have a better chance. The committee can gather evidence from other trusts, speak to legal and financial experts, plan long term media campaigns, communicate with a wide variety of fans, and gain the respect of influential parties like the local council, the FAW, the FA, fellow shareholders, even WAG.

For all their good intentions, the organisers of the march have nowhere near such capabilities.

Nevertheless I fully respect your concerns and hope everything goes well for you on Saturday.

I think that the activities of the CCST and the marchers' justifiable protest can go hand in hand. I can fully see why the Trust is somewhat "neutral" on the march, but it should be noted that a number of key figures from the CCST have declared that they will be participating. I am out of the country so cannot walk, but I support it all the same.

The mass of CCFC supporters need to display their feelings and a disciplined protest is a good way to do that. One suspects that there will have to be other marches and CCST demands for dialogue and information before any meaningful changes occur.

Exactly and as you Ninianboy1 have noted they are very knowledgable and skilled people, so if they think it's a good idea to march so should you.

I am in favour of the march, even though I haven't thought the previous demo outside the ground wouldn't have swayed ridsdale in the slightest, but the thing that annoys me most is the way we, as paying customers, ahve been lied to and treated with utter contempt. I got over the ST fiasco, I was annoyed, but what can we do now? The money's gone. But, what really, really grates on me is the way that the club are covering up where the money has gone to and refuse point blank to tell us where the money has gone. It's our money, we have to be told where it's gone and to say that iot's sensitive suggests darker motives and reasons behind it all. If it was all above board, then they woukld tell us, wouldn't they?

They did tell us where the season ticket money went during the EGM, Nottage. Or at least Alan Flitcroft did. He stated that the Platinum Ambassadors scheme brought in £2.3 million. During the same period, he estimated something like £4.6 million went out in wages and taxes.

I don't think it's where the money went that has upset people. It's the fact that they were misled. That's what has angered most of the fans I've spoken to, and as far as I'm concerned they are fully justified in feeling the way they do.

it seems to me everyone is more concerned about the march and not the 3 points

it seems to me everyone is more concerned about the march and not the 3 points

I asked you above who from the march wont be supporting the team during the game, seems you chose to ignore my question.

IM SURE, AND IL BE THERE WITH MY LITTLE PICK AND SHOVEL

THEN SUPPORTING THE TEAM ON THE FIELD THE SAME WAY AS I ALWAYS DO

I am in favour of the march, even though I haven't thought the previous demo outside the ground wouldn't have swayed ridsdale in the slightest, but the thing that annoys me most is the way we, as paying customers, ahve been lied to and treated with utter contempt. I got over the ST fiasco, I was annoyed, but what can we do now? The money's gone. But, what really, really grates on me is the way that the club are covering up where the money has gone to and refuse point blank to tell us where the money has gone. It's our money, we have to be told where it's gone and to say that iot's sensitive suggests darker motives and reasons behind it all. If it was all above board, then they woukld tell us, wouldn't they?

They did tell us where the season ticket money went during the EGM, Nottage. Or at least Alan Flitcroft did. He stated that the Platinum Ambassadors scheme brought in £2.3 million. During the same period, he estimated something like £4.6 million went out in wages and taxes.

I don't think it's where the money went that has upset people. It's the fact that they were misled. That's what has angered most of the fans I've spoken to, and as far as I'm concerned they are fully justified in feeling the way they do.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, TLG. Don't get me wrong though, I'm still pretty pissed off about being misled. I work in a service industry and, if I'd have done something like this to the customers who entrust their money to me and I don't give them what i'd told them I'd give them then I would be disciplined and, ultimately, sacked

I am in favour of the march, even though I haven't thought the previous demo outside the ground wouldn't have swayed ridsdale in the slightest, but the thing that annoys me most is the way we, as paying customers, ahve been lied to and treated with utter contempt. I got over the ST fiasco, I was annoyed, but what can we do now? The money's gone. But, what really, really grates on me is the way that the club are covering up where the money has gone to and refuse point blank to tell us where the money has gone. It's our money, we have to be told where it's gone and to say that iot's sensitive suggests darker motives and reasons behind it all. If it was all above board, then they woukld tell us, wouldn't they?

Thanks for clearing that up for me, TLG. Don't get me wrong though, I'm still pretty pissed off about being misled. I work in a service industry and, if I'd have done something like this to the customers who entrust their money to me and I don't give them what i'd told them I'd give them then I would be disciplined and, ultimately, sacked

I am in favour of the march, even though I haven't thought the previous demo outside the ground wouldn't have swayed ridsdale in the slightest, but the thing that annoys me most is the way we, as paying customers, ahve been lied to and treated with utter contempt. I got over the ST fiasco, I was annoyed, but what can we do now? The money's gone. But, what really, really grates on me is the way that the club are covering up where the money has gone to and refuse point blank to tell us where the money has gone. It's our money, we have to be told where it's gone and to say that iot's sensitive suggests darker motives and reasons behind it all. If it was all above board, then they woukld tell us, wouldn't they?

Thanks for clearing that up for me, TLG. Don't get me wrong though, I'm still pretty pissed off about being misled. I work in a service industry and, if I'd have done something like this to the customers who entrust their money to me and I don't give them what i'd told them I'd give them then I would be disciplined and, ultimately, sacked

I now see what I've done there But, if you'vde seen the girls who work in my company's HR dept, discipline may not be a bad idea!!!