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Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:04 pm

with the demonstration on Saturday, will you answer in this thread Why you believe it would be a good thing for Cardiff City FC if Peter Ridsdale remained as our Chairman ?

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:10 pm

I think the march will be good in that it highlights our current problems, but I don't think it will have any effect on the chairman or the board.

Reasons I'm not sure sacking Ridsdale or the whole board would be the best idea:

- Nobody else realistically able or willing to take charge

- There is no easy way to get rid of Ridsdale anyway

- Hall/Guy seem to back him, and seeing as they have a lot of money at stake I would back their judgement!

- If there is a good chance of the Malaysians coming on board they will want to make changes I'm sure anyway, so seeing as that's our only real hope at the moment why disrupt things?

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:26 pm

I am intrigued by the comment 'why distrupt things'.

Dont you see our great club is being taken ever closer to the wall every day by this board of directors fronted by Peter Ridsdale.

What is Peter Ridsdale doing to secure investment into the club ?

He certainly is not dealing with the Malysians because Borley has been trusted with that.

So what does Ridsdale do ?

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:35 pm

I can see we're in a pretty sorry state at the moment, and obviously I blame the board for that. But also, I see no alternative at the moment.
If the option is either administration or the Malaysians coming in, why not hope the Malaysians come in and they can sack the board/do what they want and sort this mess out.

From what we've heard it's Borley leading the negotiations with the Malaysians, rather than Ridsdale but I very much doubt he's sitting in his office all day doing nothing. If that was the case why would he still be here, if things were that bad he could have gone in January and left the others to lead us into administration and clean up the mess.

I don't know what Ridsdale does exactly, but if it was advantageous for him to go I would have thought he would already be gone! If Ridsdale did nothing, or was holding the football club back the main shareholders and other board members who also have money at stake wouldn't let him take the club down would they?

We can't exactly sack the board and restructure, when there's the possibility of the Malaysians coming in and booting everyone out again.

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:42 pm

CF11 wrote:I think the march will be good in that it highlights our current problems, but I don't think it will have any effect on the chairman or the board.

Reasons I'm not sure sacking Ridsdale or the whole board would be the best idea:

- Nobody else realistically able or willing to take charge

- There is no easy way to get rid of Ridsdale anyway

- Hall/Guy seem to back him, and seeing as they have a lot of money at stake I would back their judgement!

- If there is a good chance of the Malaysians coming on board they will want to make changes I'm sure anyway, so seeing as that's our only real hope at the moment why disrupt things?


I've said it several times before, anyone can do it and for a much lesser sum. I'm certain it can be done alot better too.

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:42 pm

CF11 wrote:I can see we're in a pretty sorry state at the moment, and obviously I blame the board for that. But also, I see no alternative at the moment.
If the option is either administration or the Malaysians coming in, why not hope the Malaysians come in and they can sack the board/do what they want and sort this mess out.

From what we've heard it's Borley leading the negotiations with the Malaysians, rather than Ridsdale but I very much doubt he's sitting in his office all day doing nothing. If that was the case why would he still be here, if things were that bad he could have gone in January and left the others to lead us into administration and clean up the mess.

I don't know what Ridsdale does exactly, but if it was advantageous for him to go I would have thought he would already be gone! If Ridsdale did nothing, or was holding the football club back the main shareholders and other board members who also have money at stake wouldn't let him take the club down would they?

We can't exactly sack the board and restructure, when there's the possibility of the Malaysians coming in and booting everyone out again.


No I dont think he does nothing in his office all day either, I know he spends time fending off the next negative story, he drove to westminster recently to try and stop a hack printing a story on him, then he spends time reading Msgboards.

He is not and has not done a satisfactory job so why should he keep his job.

I am sure my boss would keep me on if I was incompetent, incapable and publically embarrasing my company as a direct result of my actions, even if they felt there was no one to step into the breach if they got shot of me, no you and I know I would be fired, because there would be no company left for ANYONE to run and then what would we all be saying.........

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:44 pm

PtB wrote:
CF11 wrote:I think the march will be good in that it highlights our current problems, but I don't think it will have any effect on the chairman or the board.

Reasons I'm not sure sacking Ridsdale or the whole board would be the best idea:

- Nobody else realistically able or willing to take charge

- There is no easy way to get rid of Ridsdale anyway

- Hall/Guy seem to back him, and seeing as they have a lot of money at stake I would back their judgement!

- If there is a good chance of the Malaysians coming on board they will want to make changes I'm sure anyway, so seeing as that's our only real hope at the moment why disrupt things?


I've said it several times before, anyone can do it and for a much lesser sum. I'm certain it can be done alot better too.


Unless there a is job available how can people be so sure there would be no interest in it , I would like to put my neck on the line here and say if the job came up there would be plenty of applicants

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:46 pm

carlccfc wrote:Unless there a is job available how can people be so sure there would be no interest in it , I would like to put my neck on the line here and say if the job came up there would be plenty of applicants


I'd think about it if the salry and benefits were ok :lol: and my record i better than Ridsdale's - I got two finals, a league title and another promotion :lol: :lol: :lol: :ayatollah:

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:10 pm

carlccfc wrote:
PtB wrote:
CF11 wrote:I think the march will be good in that it highlights our current problems, but I don't think it will have any effect on the chairman or the board.

Reasons I'm not sure sacking Ridsdale or the whole board would be the best idea:

- Nobody else realistically able or willing to take charge

- There is no easy way to get rid of Ridsdale anyway

- Hall/Guy seem to back him, and seeing as they have a lot of money at stake I would back their judgement!

- If there is a good chance of the Malaysians coming on board they will want to make changes I'm sure anyway, so seeing as that's our only real hope at the moment why disrupt things?


I've said it several times before, anyone can do it and for a much lesser sum. I'm certain it can be done alot better too.


Unless there a is job available how can people be so sure there would be no interest in it , I would like to put my neck on the line here and say if the job came up there would be plenty of applicants


I agree with that, but at the moment according to some people we are on the verge of administration, we're in negotiations and are actively seeking substantial investment or a full takeover. So we'd have to find someone who ideally has some knowledge of the football world to come in and take charge for a potentially short period of time of a club who are being taken to court over unpaid bills and have no money. Unless we get anymore investment we haven't got much hope.
I don't think it's a hugely attractive proposition at present
What would happen to Ridsdale's shares too? Would he remain a large shareholder in the club while somebody else took charge?
How long would it take to advertise and appoint a new Chairman, bearing in mind at the moment the rest of the board and Guy/Hall seem happy with Ridsdale being in charge

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:34 pm

I'm not privy to all the details of Ridsdale's contract of employment, but I believe there is something in that contract which stops Guy/Hall/Borley from sacking him.

At a guess I would say on termination PR receives 12 months pay plus the club must buy out his shareholding.

This would total around £1m a figure which has been rumoured to be the cost of getting rid of PR before now. Also in Carl's recent telephone arguement with PR the man himself said, "the club will go into administration if I leave"

For me that was a backdoor threat based on the club would fold if it was presented with a £1m bill to rid itself of the Chairman.

If I'm right (& I have a hunch I'm not a million miles away) I still don't think the club benefits from him staying, but may be we should be looking at another way (i.e. cheaper) of getting rid of him.

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:08 pm

Yes Carl I would like to know what we gain by KEEPING PR AS OUR CHAIRMAN, PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME ?

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:09 pm

CF11 wrote:I think the march will be good in that it highlights our current problems, but I don't think it will have any effect on the chairman or the board.

Reasons I'm not sure sacking Ridsdale or the whole board would be the best idea:

- Nobody else realistically able or willing to take charge

- There is no easy way to get rid of Ridsdale anyway

- Hall/Guy seem to back him, and seeing as they have a lot of money at stake I would back their judgement!

- If there is a good chance of the Malaysians coming on board they will want to make changes I'm sure anyway, so seeing as that's our only real hope at the moment why disrupt things?


Rem I said THIS, THE MALAYSIANS 100% DONT WANT PR HERE IF THEY TAKE OVER.

Re: Those who Disagree

Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:13 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
CF11 wrote:I think the march will be good in that it highlights our current problems, but I don't think it will have any effect on the chairman or the board.

Reasons I'm not sure sacking Ridsdale or the whole board would be the best idea:

- Nobody else realistically able or willing to take charge

- There is no easy way to get rid of Ridsdale anyway

- Hall/Guy seem to back him, and seeing as they have a lot of money at stake I would back their judgement!

- If there is a good chance of the Malaysians coming on board they will want to make changes I'm sure anyway, so seeing as that's our only real hope at the moment why disrupt things?


Rem I said THIS, THE MALAYSIANS 100% DONT WANT PR HERE IF THEY TAKE OVER.


I would expect them to get rid of Ridsdale if they were to takeover, as most people would do - so they can bring their own people in.
If the malaysians are our only hope then why not stick with Ridsdale until they invest and get rid of him?

We can't really hire someone else to take his position if they know they'll probably get sacked if/when the malaysians come in