People power

I don't quite understand Borley and Ridsdales'comments of'putting new investors off'with a march that will finally show Cardiff City fans as among the most passionate and caring collective in the country

What has put prospective investors off, is the cowboy mismanagement from boardroom level the last few years. With the news of the players getting paid late this month, anyone with half a brain knows that this is just the tip of a very painful iceberg

I don't quite understand Borley and Ridsdales'comments of'putting new investors off'with a march that will finally show Cardiff City fans as among the most passionate and caring collective in the country

What has put prospective investors off, is the cowboy mismanagement from boardroom level the last few years. With the news of the players getting paid late this month, anyone with half a brain knows that this is just the tip of a very painful iceberg

I wouldn't be surprised if it was because they've lead the Malaysians to believe all is rosy, other than the short term cash problems

I don't quite understand Borley and Ridsdales'comments of'putting new investors off'with a march that will finally show Cardiff City fans as among the most passionate and caring collective in the country

People seem to have this picture in their minds of Peter Ridsdale dealing with the Malaysians alone. That's nonsense, I'm afraid.

The Malaysians' first point of contact with the club was not Peter Ridsdale, but was in fact company secretary and board member Alan Whiteley. It was he who made the first contact with Dato Chan Tien Ghee. Whenever Ridsdale has dealt with the Malaysians, Whiteley has invariably been involved too. He's been on a couple of the trips to Kuala Lumpar with the Chairman.

Steve Borley has also been involved in the negotiations and he is apparently going to Malaysia this week. All this stuff is on-going and a deal may be close, so perhaps that's why Borley and Ridsdale don't want demonstrations. They obviously feel it would be counter-productive to the talks they are currently involved in.

The rumour is that the Malaysians want Ridsdale out, but bear in mind plenty of other rumours have proved to be false, including Borley paying the tax bill, Ridsdale resigning and Borley backing Annis at the EGM. The fact is it's all hearsay at this stage and none of us knows what the true picture is.

There's a chance that the Malaysians may have struck up good relationships with the likes of Whiteley, Ridsdale and Borley, and are consequently very interested in buying the club, but if there is a great deal of public unrest they might not think that making a bid is worth the hassle. After all, they are on the other side of the world, so apart from TG's visits they are only getting their impressions of the club through the media. It's not as if they are City fans who are living in South Wales.

Undoubtedly they are aware of the club's financial problems, but maybe they believe it is still a worthwhile investment from a prestige point of view. My opinion is that they would only ever see owning a British club as a badge of honour because our football is so popular out there. I can't imagine they'd be looking to make money here, because so few clubs break even in this country, let alone make profits. Therefore, perhaps public demonstrations of anger by supporters may make them feel that this particular club is too much trouble.

Who knows? I certainly don't. But what I do know is that Steve Borley is a proper Cardiff City fan and he's far closer to the current situation than any of us, so if he says that demonstrations are not wise at this point in time, then that's good enough for me.

Dave

Why has TG not been to a game these last few months?

For a while he was here quite regularly.

Borleys recent u-turns leave a lot to be desired...He`s just a liar like the rest of them..

Dave

Why has TG not been to a game these last few months?

For a while he was here quite regularly.

How would Dave know?

TG is a businessman, wouldn't expect him to neglect interests in Malaysia to fly here every home game.

I don't quite understand Borley and Ridsdales'comments of'putting new investors off'with a march that will finally show Cardiff City fans as among the most passionate and caring collective in the country

People seem to have this picture in their minds of Peter Ridsdale dealing with the Malaysians alone. That's nonsense, I'm afraid.

The Malaysians' first point of contact with the club was not Peter Ridsdale, but was in fact company secretary and board member Alan Whiteley. It was he who made the first contact with Dato Chan Tien Ghee. Whenever Ridsdale has dealt with the Malaysians, Whiteley has invariably been involved too. He's been on a couple of the trips to Kuala Lumpar with the Chairman.

Steve Borley has also been involved in the negotiations and he is apparently going to Malaysia this week. All this stuff is on-going and a deal may be close, so perhaps that's why Borley and Ridsdale don't want demonstrations. They obviously feel it would be counter-productive to the talks they are currently involved in.

The rumour is that the Malaysians want Ridsdale out, but bear in mind plenty of other rumours have proved to be false, including Borley paying the tax bill, Ridsdale resigning and Borley backing Annis at the EGM. The fact is it's all hearsay at this stage and none of us knows what the true picture is.

There's a chance that the Malaysians may have struck up good relationships with the likes of Whiteley, Ridsdale and Borley, and are consequently very interested in buying the club, but if there is a great deal of public unrest they might not think that making a bid is worth the hassle. After all, they are on the other side of the world, so apart from TG's visits they are only getting their impressions of the club through the media. It's not as if they are City fans who are living in South Wales.

Undoubtedly they are aware of the club's financial problems, but maybe they believe it is still a worthwhile investment from a prestige point of view. My opinion is that they would only ever see owning a British club as a badge of honour because our football is so popular out there. I can't imagine they'd be looking to make money here, because so few clubs break even in this country, let alone make profits. Therefore, perhaps public demonstrations of anger by supporters may make them feel that this particular club is too much trouble.

Who knows? I certainly don't. But what I do know is that Steve Borley is a proper Cardiff City fan and he's far closer to the current situation than any of us, so if he says that demonstrations are not wise at this point in time, then that's good enough for me.

Another good read which I have to agree with. Nice to have a bit of sense.

Hopefully you won't get mobbed again

Dave

Why has TG not been to a game these last few months?

For a while he was here quite regularly.

No idea, Croesy. Perhaps it simply hasn't fitted in with his schedule. Judging by the size of some of the projects he seems to be involved in out in Malaysia, I'm guessing he's a busy man!

I think he was in Britain earlier this week, although I'm not 100% certain as I can't remember where I heard that from (might have been on here?).

Personally, I'm 100% convinced the Malaysians are still interested, but whether that interest bears fruit remains to be seen.

Well said Dave


People seem to have this picture in their minds of Peter Ridsdale dealing with the Malaysians alone. That's nonsense, I'm afraid.

The Malaysians' first point of contact with the club was not Peter Ridsdale, but was in fact company secretary and board member Alan Whiteley. It was he who made the first contact with Dato Chan Tien Ghee. Whenever Ridsdale has dealt with the Malaysians, Whiteley has invariably been involved too. He's been on a couple of the trips to Kuala Lumpar with the Chairman.

Steve Borley has also been involved in the negotiations and he is apparently going to Malaysia this week. All this stuff is on-going and a deal may be close, so perhaps that's why Borley and Ridsdale don't want demonstrations. They obviously feel it would be counter-productive to the talks they are currently involved in.

The rumour is that the Malaysians want Ridsdale out, but bear in mind plenty of other rumours have proved to be false, including Borley paying the tax bill, Ridsdale resigning and Borley backing Annis at the EGM. The fact is it's all hearsay at this stage and none of us knows what the true picture is.

There's a chance that the Malaysians may have struck up good relationships with the likes of Whiteley, Ridsdale and Borley, and are consequently very interested in buying the club, but if there is a great deal of public unrest they might not think that making a bid is worth the hassle. After all, they are on the other side of the world, so apart from TG's visits they are only getting their impressions of the club through the media. It's not as if they are City fans who are living in South Wales.

Undoubtedly they are aware of the club's financial problems, but maybe they believe it is still a worthwhile investment from a prestige point of view. My opinion is that they would only ever see owning a British club as a badge of honour because our football is so popular out there. I can't imagine they'd be looking to make money here, because so few clubs break even in this country, let alone make profits. Therefore, perhaps public demonstrations of anger by supporters may make them feel that this particular club is too much trouble.

Who knows? I certainly don't. But what I do know is that Steve Borley is a proper Cardiff City fan and he's far closer to the current situation than any of us, so if he says that demonstrations are not wise at this point in time, then that's good enough for me.[/quote]

I don't quite understand Borley and Ridsdales'comments of'putting new investors off'with a march that will finally show Cardiff City fans as among the most passionate and caring collective in the country

People seem to have this picture in their minds of Peter Ridsdale dealing with the Malaysians alone. That's nonsense, I'm afraid.

The Malaysians' first point of contact with the club was not Peter Ridsdale, but was in fact company secretary and board member Alan Whiteley. It was he who made the first contact with Dato Chan Tien Ghee. Whenever Ridsdale has dealt with the Malaysians, Whiteley has invariably been involved too. He's been on a couple of the trips to Kuala Lumpar with the Chairman.

Steve Borley has also been involved in the negotiations and he is apparently going to Malaysia this week. All this stuff is on-going and a deal may be close, so perhaps that's why Borley and Ridsdale don't want demonstrations. They obviously feel it would be counter-productive to the talks they are currently involved in.

The rumour is that the Malaysians want Ridsdale out, but bear in mind plenty of other rumours have proved to be false, including Borley paying the tax bill, Ridsdale resigning and Borley backing Annis at the EGM. The fact is it's all hearsay at this stage and none of us knows what the true picture is.

There's a chance that the Malaysians may have struck up good relationships with the likes of Whiteley, Ridsdale and Borley, and are consequently very interested in buying the club, but if there is a great deal of public unrest they might not think that making a bid is worth the hassle. After all, they are on the other side of the world, so apart from TG's visits they are only getting their impressions of the club through the media. It's not as if they are City fans who are living in South Wales.

Undoubtedly they are aware of the club's financial problems, but maybe they believe it is still a worthwhile investment from a prestige point of view. My opinion is that they would only ever see owning a British club as a badge of honour because our football is so popular out there. I can't imagine they'd be looking to make money here, because so few clubs break even in this country, let alone make profits. Therefore, perhaps public demonstrations of anger by supporters may make them feel that this particular club is too much trouble.

Who knows? I certainly don't. But what I do know is that Steve Borley is a proper Cardiff City fan and he's far closer to the current situation than any of us, so if he says that demonstrations are not wise at this point in time, then that's good enough for me.

Dave PR has spun a web of deceit.

Some of the rubbish on his staement today just sum it up. A bit of humility and a pay cut might be a start. Surely a march would only show that a hard core of our support care passionately about the club and are disgusted by the future of that club being gambled by a person to who openness and honesty are complete strangers.

It doesnt seem to me that ANY action is being taken to reduce costs at the club - and the biggest cost of all is the wage bill, particualrly of the management, executives and some of the players. Only more and more asked from the fans, and it seems the fans have nothing more to give.

I respect you for trying to give a calm and rational view of it all, but its gone beyond that for me now and so much trust between the fans and club has been destroyed in the last few months that there HAS to be change, or our support base will disintegrate just at the time when we need every fan we can get.

You are a bright lad, you were at the EGM. Surely you could see through the answers he gave ?

This argument about a demonstration putting off investment has a counter claim. Perhaps the Malaysians will look at is as passionate fans angry about being laid to. The Malaysian culture relies on honour and the board have not shown that to the fans have they? Personally I think they will judge this as a honourable things to do than thinking we are trouble makers.

Surely a march would only show that a hard core of our support care passionately about the club and are disgusted by the future of that club being gambled by a person to who openness and honesty are complete strangers.

I guess that depends on how people behave themselves and how the media spin it. And the media love Cardiff fans, don't they......?

This argument about a demonstration putting off investment has a counter claim. Perhaps the Malaysians will look at is as passionate fans angry about being laid to. The Malaysian culture relies on honour and the board have not shown that to the fans have they? Personally I think they will judge this as a honourable things to do than thinking we are trouble makers.

Perhaps.

But then perhaps they think the likes of Whiteley (who has been involved in the negotiations since day one), Ridsdale and Borley are decent men who are currently swimming against the tide here.

Who knows? I certainly don't, which is why I'd rather stay calm at this current point in time.

Im sadly a pessimist now in regards to the City and dont believe for one minute that the Malaysian's will take over or invest in CCFC, refuse to believe it until everything is signed and sealed. Alright for SB to say he is confident they'll come onboard, its all loose words until proven.

This argument about a demonstration putting off investment has a counter claim. Perhaps the Malaysians will look at is as passionate fans angry about being laid to. The Malaysian culture relies on honour and the board have not shown that to the fans have they? Personally I think they will judge this as a honourable things to do than thinking we are trouble makers.

Perhaps.

But then perhaps they think the likes of Whiteley (who has been involved in the negotiations since day one), Ridsdale and Borley are decent men who are currently swimming against the tide here.

Who knows? I certainly don't, which is why I'd rather stay calm at this current point in time.

how can you say that ridsdale is a decent man when he is a proven liar and has deceived the fans is beyond me
he tried to mislead the malaysians over the tax issue and now he says that by marching we are putting there investment at
risk maybe if he was honest or decent like you state then the investment would have been already in the bag
the man is a liar and a crook who has not got a decent bone in his body

Oh, for f**k's sake.....

You quoted what I wrote. Did you actually bother to read it properly?

[quote="The Lone Gunman"]Oh, for f**k's sake.....

You quoted what I wrote. Did you actually bother to read it properly?[/quo
i am total sorry tlg just reread it got it arse backwards accept my apoliges mate

i am total sorry tlg just reread it got it arse backwards accept my apoliges mate

No worries.

The interesting thing (for me anyway) is that it seems to have been a collective effort by the board to get the Malaysians onside. Whiteley's been out to see them, Ridsdale has and now Borley is going. Perhaps the Malaysians are keen to meet all of the main men at the club before they commit. Or maybe it's just that the food is so good out there!

i am total sorry tlg just reread it got it arse backwards accept my apoliges mate

No worries.

The interesting thing (for me anyway) is that it seems to have been a collective effort by the board to get the Malaysians onside. Whiteley's been out to see them, Ridsdale has and now Borley is going. Perhaps the Malaysians are keen to meet all of the main men at the club before they commit. Or maybe it's just that the food is so good out there!

i thought i read that they not do bussiness with him i honestly do not no what to believe but if he has lied to them
he has a lot of work to do before the listen to him again

Personally if i were to invest in a club i would want the fans to be passionate and if you are going in with nothing more than positive intentions for a club then the fans marching should not bother an invester one bit...if the march does put them off then they are not the right people to take Cardiff City forward, just my 2 cents worth