Are the trust day's numbered???

I for one think they are

trust - for ridsdale by ridsdale

I'd tend to agree, although it will be a long drawn out process.

You've a Trust membership not consulted over a march, seemingly members have to lobby officials to get anything done -
re-active rather than pro-active. Much like DJ and tactical changes.

Ineffective with regards to the current situation - more meetings with a proven liar isn't exactly going to be productive, is it?

Well if they cant be bothered to discuss a March with its members I dont know what the future holds for them.

It's upto the members to push these things - also got to remember that not 100% of the members were behind the march and that has to be taken into consideration.

I'd be disappointed if the trusts days are numbered, it can be a useful vehicle for alot fo things when used the correct way, but again that is down to the membership.

Football is in a different world from what we grew up and enjoyed and lots of us would do well to remember that. Rather than diss it and stamp on it, use it as a vehicle to move things forward. The only way that can be done is through the members. The guys that were instrumental in the march should be be putting themselves forward for election IMO, the bigger the membership the better and the they will choose who they want to take things further.

Still too many folk want everything organised for them and are quick to moan when they don't like what they hear. More people need to stand up and take a bit of responsibillity for "their" club.

Not at all, and it would be a sad day if they were.

Everyone made their OWN choice as to whther to march or not yesterday, and thats the way it should be.

It wasnt organised by the Trust and so was not in its juristiction.

I've had a gutsful of all the moaning about this and personal attacks on TLG or Annis (from elsewhere). We should be directing our energies at the cause of the problems not arguing amongst ourselves over petty personality issues.

Let the Trust take its own course, although unfortunately, although I would normally say they are right to talk, the way Ridsdlae bullshits and denies its a bit pointless. Indivisual membrs and several of the board of the Trust joined in.

Yesterday went well, so lets build on it and not divide the fans. Using the aftermath of the march to attack them will only succeed in marginalising a large chunk of fans.

This about our club not individuals.

It's upto the members to push these things - also got to remember that not 100% of the members were behind the march and that has to be taken into consideration.

I'd be disappointed if the trusts days are numbered, it can be a useful vehicle for alot fo things when used the correct way, but again that is down to the membership.

Football is in a different world from what we grew up and enjoyed and lots of us would do well to remember that. Rather than diss it and stamp on it, use it as a vehicle to move things forward. The only way that can be done is through the members. The guys that were instrumental in the march should be be putting themselves forward for election IMO, the bigger the membership the better and the they will choose who they want to take things further.

Still too many folk want everything organised for them and are quick to moan when they don't like what they hear. More people need to stand up and take a bit of responsibillity for "their" club.

I requested that the march be put to the trust members, as a member, I don't believe it was or I was not informed, either way I think the trust should act more for the fans and not what any board members might think....... I was not convinced by the march before and I am still not convinced that yesterday alone will make a difference, but what i do see is a gathering momentum that ridsdale cant manage...... if the trust have one on one chats with the spin master, there will only ever be one outcome......

It's upto the members to push these things - also got to remember that not 100% of the members were behind the march and that has to be taken into consideration.

I'd be disappointed if the trusts days are numbered, it can be a useful vehicle for alot fo things when used the correct way, but again that is down to the membership.

Football is in a different world from what we grew up and enjoyed and lots of us would do well to remember that. Rather than diss it and stamp on it, use it as a vehicle to move things forward. The only way that can be done is through the members. The guys that were instrumental in the march should be be putting themselves forward for election IMO, the bigger the membership the better and the they will choose who they want to take things further.

Still too many folk want everything organised for them and are quick to moan when they don't like what they hear. More people need to stand up and take a bit of responsibillity for "their" club.

They never had a vote of the members Paul.

It's upto the members to push these things - also got to remember that not 100% of the members were behind the march and that has to be taken into consideration.

I'd be disappointed if the trusts days are numbered, it can be a useful vehicle for alot fo things when used the correct way, but again that is down to the membership.

Football is in a different world from what we grew up and enjoyed and lots of us would do well to remember that. Rather than diss it and stamp on it, use it as a vehicle to move things forward. The only way that can be done is through the members. The guys that were instrumental in the march should be be putting themselves forward for election IMO, the bigger the membership the better and the they will choose who they want to take things further.

Still too many folk want everything organised for them and are quick to moan when they don't like what they hear. More people need to stand up and take a bit of responsibillity for "their" club.

They never had a vote of the members Paul.

I know mate, I'm a member!

How many fans went about things in the right way to get them to ask the members though?

These things aren't run like supporters clubs of the 80's, unfortunately.

It's upto the members to push these things - also got to remember that not 100% of the members were behind the march and that has to be taken into consideration.

I'd be disappointed if the trusts days are numbered, it can be a useful vehicle for alot fo things when used the correct way, but again that is down to the membership.

Football is in a different world from what we grew up and enjoyed and lots of us would do well to remember that. Rather than diss it and stamp on it, use it as a vehicle to move things forward. The only way that can be done is through the members. The guys that were instrumental in the march should be be putting themselves forward for election IMO, the bigger the membership the better and the they will choose who they want to take things further.

Still too many folk want everything organised for them and are quick to moan when they don't like what they hear. More people need to stand up and take a bit of responsibillity for "their" club.

So what you're basically saying is elected leaders have to be lobbied to consult the rank and file?

How many lobbied the leaders to pursue the EGM / meeting Ridders approach? Were the members ever consulted over that?

It seems the trust has major governance issues.

They never had a vote of the members Paul.

I know mate, I'm a member!

How many fans went about things in the right way to get them to ask the members though?

These things aren't run like supporters clubs of the 80's, unfortunately.

It's upto the members to push these things - also got to remember that not 100% of the members were behind the march and that has to be taken into consideration.

I'd be disappointed if the trusts days are numbered, it can be a useful vehicle for alot fo things when used the correct way, but again that is down to the membership.

Football is in a different world from what we grew up and enjoyed and lots of us would do well to remember that. Rather than diss it and stamp on it, use it as a vehicle to move things forward. The only way that can be done is through the members. The guys that were instrumental in the march should be be putting themselves forward for election IMO, the bigger the membership the better and the they will choose who they want to take things further.

Still too many folk want everything organised for them and are quick to moan when they don't like what they hear. More people need to stand up and take a bit of responsibillity for "their" club.

Shame you don't live local Paul, its your kind of drive which is needed on the Trust Board.

It's upto the members to push these things - also got to remember that not 100% of the members were behind the march and that has to be taken into consideration.

I'd be disappointed if the trusts days are numbered, it can be a useful vehicle for alot fo things when used the correct way, but again that is down to the membership.

Football is in a different world from what we grew up and enjoyed and lots of us would do well to remember that. Rather than diss it and stamp on it, use it as a vehicle to move things forward. The only way that can be done is through the members. The guys that were instrumental in the march should be be putting themselves forward for election IMO, the bigger the membership the better and the they will choose who they want to take things further.

Still too many folk want everything organised for them and are quick to moan when they don't like what they hear. More people need to stand up and take a bit of responsibillity for "their" club.

Shame you don't live local Paul, its your kind of drive which is needed on the Trust Board.

Cheers mate, but I've had my fill of that up here lol

Not at all, and it would be a sad day if they were.

Everyone made their OWN choice as to whther to march or not yesterday, and thats the way it should be.

It wasnt organised by the Trust and so was not in its juristiction.

I've had a gutsful of all the moaning about this and personal attacks on TLG or Annis (from elsewhere). We should be directing our energies at the cause of the problems not arguing amongst ourselves over petty personality issues.

Let the Trust take its own course, although unfortunately, although I would normally say they are right to talk, the way Ridsdlae bullshits and denies its a bit pointless. Indivisual membrs and several of the board of the Trust joined in.

Yesterday went well, so lets build on it and not divide the fans. Using the aftermath of the march to attack them will only succeed in marginalising a large chunk of fans.

This about our club not individuals.

I have had a gutsfull of it all as well

people slagging off the march

people slagging of the trust

people slagging off TLG

people slagging off Annis

had enough of all of it

Sick of it if i'm honest

its getting f*cking pathetic

Not at all, and it would be a sad day if they were.

Everyone made their OWN choice as to whther to march or not yesterday, and thats the way it should be.

It wasnt organised by the Trust and so was not in its juristiction.

I've had a gutsful of all the moaning about this and personal attacks on TLG or Annis (from elsewhere). We should be directing our energies at the cause of the problems not arguing amongst ourselves over petty personality issues.

Let the Trust take its own course, although unfortunately, although I would normally say they are right to talk, the way Ridsdlae bullshits and denies its a bit pointless. Indivisual membrs and several of the board of the Trust joined in.

Yesterday went well, so lets build on it and not divide the fans. Using the aftermath of the march to attack them will only succeed in marginalising a large chunk of fans.

This about our club not individuals.

I have had a gutsfull of it all as well

people slagging off the march

people slagging of the trust

people slagging off TLG

people slagging off Annis

had enough of all of it

Sludge keep the Faith

I'm sick of all this infighting amoungst fans. We have been divided and we are now weaker than we were.

We need to stick together, like any battle there are different fronts. Pick one and fight.

Wether its a march, a trust, suporters group it doesn't matter. We each have our own views on what action to take and do so acordingly. We all agree that things aren't right at the club and we are all still fans of the team.

Pick a front to fight on and fight!! Don't sit there behind your keyboards and slag off someone who realistically is on your side.

We are fans, we should be united and allowed to action in our own way.

Stay together and we WILL be successful if we split it will be more easy to be beaten down.

Get off your @rses. Pick a front to fight on and support those others who are on a different front.

Gareth

They you are wacko Jaco, is slaging off the March on ccmb, says hes a member of the Trust and THE MARCH HAD TOO MANY KIDS AND WANNABEE'S, SLUDGE How can We respect the other ccmb and trust etc when they continue to slag down us and the March

Not at all, and it would be a sad day if they were.

Everyone made their OWN choice as to whther to march or not yesterday, and thats the way it should be.

It wasnt organised by the Trust and so was not in its juristiction.

I've had a gutsful of all the moaning about this and personal attacks on TLG or Annis (from elsewhere). We should be directing our energies at the cause of the problems not arguing amongst ourselves over petty personality issues.

Let the Trust take its own course, although unfortunately, although I would normally say they are right to talk, the way Ridsdlae bullshits and denies its a bit pointless. Indivisual membrs and several of the board of the Trust joined in.

Yesterday went well, so lets build on it and not divide the fans. Using the aftermath of the march to attack them will only succeed in marginalising a large chunk of fans.

This about our club not individuals.

I have had a gutsfull of it all as well

people slagging off the march

people slagging of the trust

people slagging off TLG

people slagging off Annis

had enough of all of it

Why is it 'slagging someone off' when you state an honest opinion that an individual or organisation called it or got it wrong?

If mistakes have been made then there is no chance of identifying or resolving them by pretending they never happened.

I for one think they are

One march. One day. The Trust will have a longer term view (and life) I hope.

Every individual Trust member could march if they wanted. The march wasn't organised by the Trust. Therefore, does it need the Trust's endorsement or a formal vote? I don't think so.

I for one think they are

One march. One day. The Trust will have a longer term view (and life) I hope.

Every individual Trust member could march if they wanted. The march wasn't organised by the Trust. Therefore, does it need the Trust's endorsement or a formal vote? I don't think so.

The point being, the march was always planned. Trust officials failed to consult the rank and file membership to get a response to then determine the Trust's approach towards the march. That didn't happen - and I very much doubt the members were consulted re: the EGM / meetings with Ridsdale policy.

If it's true, as claimed, TLG rationalised it on only 7 members contacting them about it, then the clear implication is that policy will be determined and implemented by the officials alone, without consultation of the members, unless members kick off.

That's neither inclusive nor particularly democratic.

They you are wacko Jaco, is slaging off the March on ccmb, says hes a member of the Trust and THE MARCH HAD TOO MANY KIDS AND WANNABEE'S, SLUDGE How can We respect the other ccmb and trust etc when they continue to slag down us and the March

I am a member of the trust , went on the march and think that his post was incorrect , and I have said so on the thread

hes entitled to his opinion but I think hes got his facts wrong

but that happens on here too annis

people on ccmb get things wrong and they get things wrong on here too

most peopel on there and most people on her have one thing in common

we are ALL cardiff city fans

there are hidden agendas and snipers on every messageboard annis

I think its best to put energy into working together on what people agree on , rather than all this squabbling

for example yesterday many members of the trust and of ccmb were on the march yesterday

thats got to be a good thing I would say , suggesting we all have different views but on some things we agree

The point being, the march was always planned. Trust officials failed to consult the rank and file membership to get a response to then determine the Trust's approach towards the march. That didn't happen - and I very much doubt the members were consulted re: the EGM / meetings with Ridsdale policy.

If it's true, as claimed, TLG rationalised it on only 7 members contacting them about it, then the clear implication is that policy will be determined and implemented by the officials alone, without consultation of the members, unless members kick off.

That's neither inclusive nor particularly democratic.

Members were consulted about the EGM, in fact a public meeting was held where both members and non-members were invited to debate what questions should be asked at the EGM. That was both democratic and inclusive.

As for the Trust's days being numbered, I doubt it. It's a big blow losing Corky but there are plenty of other committed fans involved. If people don't like how it's run or what it does, join it and change it. If you're bothered about inclusion and democracy, it's only thing to do. If you can't be bothered, I suggest your opinion doesn't count for much.

Not at all, and it would be a sad day if they were.

Everyone made their OWN choice as to whther to march or not yesterday, and thats the way it should be.

It wasnt organised by the Trust and so was not in its juristiction.

I've had a gutsful of all the moaning about this and personal attacks on TLG or Annis (from elsewhere). We should be directing our energies at the cause of the problems not arguing amongst ourselves over petty personality issues.

Let the Trust take its own course, although unfortunately, although I would normally say they are right to talk, the way Ridsdlae bullshits and denies its a bit pointless. Indivisual membrs and several of the board of the Trust joined in.

Yesterday went well, so lets build on it and not divide the fans. Using the aftermath of the march to attack them will only succeed in marginalising a large chunk of fans.

This about our club not individuals.

I have had a gutsfull of it all as well

people slagging off the march

people slagging of the trust

people slagging off TLG

people slagging off Annis

had enough of all of it

Why is it 'slagging someone off' when you state an honest opinion that an individual or organisation called it or got it wrong?

If mistakes have been made then there is no chance of identifying or resolving them by pretending they never happened.

people make offensive and personal remarks on all sides

to deny that is happening is to deny the truth

no need for any of it

I'm sick of all this infighting amoungst fans. We have been divided and we are now weaker than we were.

We need to stick together, like any battle there are different fronts. Pick one and fight.

Wether its a march, a trust, suporters group it doesn't matter. We each have our own views on what action to take and do so acordingly. We all agree that things aren't right at the club and we are all still fans of the team.

Pick a front to fight on and fight!! Don't sit there behind your keyboards and slag off someone who realistically is on your side.

We are fans, we should be united and allowed to action in our own way.

Stay together and we WILL be successful if we split it will be more easy to be beaten down.

Get off your @rses. Pick a front to fight on and support those others who are on a different front.

Gareth

I agree

I for one think they are

One march. One day. The Trust will have a longer term view (and life) I hope.

Every individual Trust member could march if they wanted. The march wasn't organised by the Trust. Therefore, does it need the Trust's endorsement or a formal vote? I don't think so.

The point being, the march was always planned. Trust officials failed to consult the rank and file membership to get a response to then determine the Trust's approach towards the march. That didn't happen - and I very much doubt the members were consulted re: the EGM / meetings with Ridsdale policy.

If it's true, as claimed, TLG rationalised it on only 7 members contacting them about it, then the clear implication is that policy will be determined and implemented by the officials alone, without consultation of the members, unless members kick


That's neither inclusive nor particularly democratic.

stand for election to change things then nerd

if you have a postive policy and I think you would do a good job on the trust board , I would consider voting for you

stand for election to change things then nerd

if you have a postive policy and I think you would do a good job on the trust board , I would consider voting for you

But Sludge, that's just not an answer.

The point is the accountability of those in charge of the Trust. Are they representing members interests?

Look at the match day programme. Someone has been appointed head of the community side of things for the Trust. Was that person very voted in? Were the members consulted?

Ditto the publicity side. I'd assume the Trust have a press officer - yet look at the local media. You get quotes from since62 ( understandable ) and TLG ( less understandable as membership secretary ). Who handles the media side of things? When they give comments, are they speaking as themselves or on behalf of the Trust - given the media print their Trust official status, it's natural to believe they are speaking on behalf of the trust.

Look at the Trust website - advert for new Membership Secretary. Is that person elected? Do the members have a say in any such appointment?

As a committed pink leftie commie ( ) are you saying that you've no worries about exactly what is going on, in terms of representation of the members?

I'm just curious to get your views, Sludge. Do you believe that members should have to deluge the officers with requests for action to be considered, or should the officers be pro-active and seek advice from the people they purport to represent?

These are just the questions I'm not getting answers to.

the people who work on the various sub comittees are , like the rest of the trust , all volunteers

they work under the supervision of the trust board, who are elected

we are not talking about people claiming expenses they shouldnt or doing anthing below board

I should know as togetehr with corky I have been a member of the very same community group you are talking about and as a group we accepted the stepping down of one person and supported the other person , who stepped forward and offered herself to be chair

its a group of volunteer fans , not a war cabinet !!!

when we set up the trust we told people we would be setting up these various groups and its a very small number of trust members who work on them ..believe me if there were more , we could take a break from it all , its hard work !

do you expect a very small group of people who are giving up their time to consult the membership on every single thing we do ?

expenses ?......I can assure you I know of not one person who attends the community meetings who has claimed for such things ..and I drive a round trip of 40 miles

I could have made a few bob on petrol costs thats for sure !!


this all a smokescreen to attack individuals , thats as cleas as tomorrow is monday

for example ..vince alm is the " head " of the supporters club

did he contact all his members for their opinions before he came on the ccmb and asked everyone ( even people he didnt reprsent ) if they were happy to support his view we should all back ridsdale ?





now , vince alm wason the ccmb

Expenses? I never mentioned expenses?

And, no offence, but your posts just read like half answers.

Should the members be approached on every single little issue - of course not, that's a fatuous claim.

The scenario the club is in, there are numerous approaches the trust can take. Direct action, the route that's been taking - the approach for the Trust to take is far more important than smaller issues, for example, deciding on a logo - so how much input did the membership have in that, for example?

Given the success of the march in terms of publicity - and indeed, rehabbing our reputation as no trouble occurred - how much input from the Trust membership has been sought upon such a key issue? if there has been none, and the strategy to keep asking Ridsdale questions has been decided upon solely by the small number of Trust officals, then you tell me, Sludge, are members being fully represented? Indeed, if a small number of people determine the Trust approach, where's the difference between that and the organisation of this march?

you asked about accountability

and you brought up the subject of the community group sub committee , of which I am a member

and the ultimate test of that is that the trust is a democratic body and if the membership dont think the board have been , they can get voted off

thats the difference between the trust and the march

I support both approaches

and as you say , no offence, but I think some people including yourself have a personal issue with an individual

if you really care about the situation of supporter groups then why not stand for election ?

or ..set up a democratic independent supporter group of your own ?

bear in mind , people like me who believe in both approaches..and support annis and his march ..will be asking the same questions regarding accountability of you shouls you get elected to any such group