TRUST MESSAGE

Appealed to my warped sense of humour, seen this on other board.

Perhaps if they issued a statement every day it would really shake them up.

I'm sure they find it easier to deal with a protest by the masses rather than a statement such as this.

They must live in fear of such statements,can you imagine the headlines in the early 19 hundreds Russia falls to mass statement, the French statement brings down the Royal family.


Do I agree with the statement, of course I do, but it is about six weeks to late and doesn't go far enough in my opinion.
Do I support the need for a Trust, yes I do and more so now than at any time in the club's history.do I think our existing Trust is doing a good job, no I don't.

I feel they have been lacking in direction and have needed a cause to rally the troops and get more support. Being blunt, Fred Keenor statues and trying to get more supporters from racial minorities doesn't stimulate my juices, but each to their own.They are far to P.C. when I feel they should be more in your face.

Do I want to do something about it? yes, but am i prepared to put in the work needed, no I'm not if truth be told, so if I'm not prepared to put in the work, perhaps I should shut up or put up.
Starting another Independent supporters group, waste of time in my opinion. If your not happy with the direction of the Trust, then take it over, vote out who you don't like and vote in who you want, it's that easy, but will it happen no.

People will bang tables, write on messages boards, criticise and shoot down anyone who get's up there, but will they do something positive about it, No they wont.

Solution, if you want change, get in there and bring it about, the Trust needs to be in place, who is on the Trust is up to you, if the club goes tit's up, we will need the Trust for legal reason and League backing.

Join, turn up at mass at the AGM that is the solution, no matter what direction it takes, right or wrong it's down to democracy, if you don't vote, you can't really complain.

It's a bit like the Government, we slag them, lot's say we don't believe a word they say, and when you ask people who did you vote for they say "didn't bother,It's a waste of time"

Put up or shut up, that's democracy, if democracy doesn't work, the next step is revolution, and at the moment, even that sounds good. We'll keep the blue flag flying high.

Good post, Gwyn. Spot on. If people don't like the Trust as it is, change it.

I agree, there is a NEED for a Trust, but not the way this TRUST IS RUN, THATS THE MAIN PROBLEM.

I've not joined the "trust" and never will. Its a akin to students union common room type of affrair. I ave the upmost respect for people suc as Corky, Keith and one or two others but it does appear to be a typical left wing type organisation. Hey man, lets read our copy of the Guardian/Daily Mail whilst the club falls apart.

I don't have the time and I'm too far away to be involved but the likes of Gwyn, carl, annis, baz and quite a few others will get my vote everytime.

I've not joined the "trust" and never will. Its a akin to students union common room type of affrair. I ave the upmost respect for people suc as Corky, Keith and one or two others but it does appear to be a typical left wing type organisation. Hey man, lets read our copy of the Guardian/Daily Mail whilst the club falls apart.

I don't have the time and I'm too far away to be involved but the likes of Gwyn, carl, annis, baz and quite a few others will get my vote everytime.

You're avatar sums it all up......... you cant do f**k all yet complain about all.

Typical whinging pom!

I've not joined the "trust" and never will. Its a akin to students union common room type of affrair. I ave the upmost respect for people suc as Corky, Keith and one or two others but it does appear to be a typical left wing type organisation. Hey man, lets read our copy of the Guardian/Daily Mail whilst the club falls apart.

I don't have the time and I'm too far away to be involved but the likes of Gwyn, carl, annis, baz and quite a few others will get my vote everytime.

You're avatar sums it all up......... you cant do f**k all yet complain about all.

Typical whinging pom!

BTW, Daily Mail.......left wing? LOL

When did you leave .......1910?

Appealed to my warped sense of humour, seen this on other board.

Perhaps if they issued a statement every day it would really shake them up.

I'm sure they find it easier to deal with a protest by the masses rather than a statement such as this.

They must live in fear of such statements,can you imagine the headlines in the early 19 hundreds Russia falls to mass statement, the French statement brings down the Royal family.


Do I agree with the statement, of course I do, but it is about six weeks to late and doesn't go far enough in my opinion.
Do I support the need for a Trust, yes I do and more so now than at any time in the club's history.do I think our existing Trust is doing a good job, no I don't.

I feel they have been lacking in direction and have needed a cause to rally the troops and get more support. Being blunt, Fred Keenor statues and trying to get more supporters from racial minorities doesn't stimulate my juices, but each to their own.They are far to P.C. when I feel they should be more in your face.

Do I want to do something about it? yes, but am i prepared to put in the work needed, no I'm not if truth be told, so if I'm not prepared to put in the work, perhaps I should shut up or put up.
Starting another Independent supporters group, waste of time in my opinion. If your not happy with the direction of the Trust, then take it over, vote out who you don't like and vote in who you want, it's that easy, but will it happen no.

People will bang tables, write on messages boards, criticise and shoot down anyone who get's up there, but will they do something positive about it, No they wont.

Solution, if you want change, get in there and bring it about, the Trust needs to be in place, who is on the Trust is up to you, if the club goes tit's up, we will need the Trust for legal reason and League backing.

Join, turn up at mass at the AGM that is the solution, no matter what direction it takes, right or wrong it's down to democracy, if you don't vote, you can't really complain.

It's a bit like the Government, we slag them, lot's say we don't believe a word they say, and when you ask people who did you vote for they say "didn't bother,It's a waste of time"

Put up or shut up, that's democracy, if democracy doesn't work, the next step is revolution, and at the moment, even that sounds good. We'll keep the blue flag flying high.

i felt the trust should have immediatley pushed for another EGM as the answers provided on the day were unacceptable.
all shareholders have a right to know what is going on at the club and the egm is the only real opportunity they get.
the board cannot pick and choose what they want to answer so another meeting needs to be tabled with a full agenda of questions shareholders and supporters need answered.

Democracy is not always extended to the masses. Let's be fair the Government will never give a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty because it knows it will lose. So they deny us a democratic vote because 'they know better'

For me the Trust does exactly the same when it comes to backing direct action. For whatever reason (probably brainwashing by PR) they shy clear of giving their members a vote on the matter because they are afraid of what the result might be and any way 'they know better'

That's why the whole 'Trust' concept is flawed, if they won't trust their membership, then why should the membership trust them?

The simple and clear solution would be to consult the membership and until that happens the whole democratic crap is a complete red herring.

i agree but if we all join to change, they will say about all the new members and heads swell, like riddler, do the right thing and stand down

tony, that is spot on. Without balloting members they can't represent members' views. The onus shouldn't be on each member to email TLG with their opinion. It's the "Trust Board" who should be approaching the members. Then, and only then, will the Trust work.

tony, that is spot on. Without balloting members they can't represent members' views. The onus shouldn't be on each member to email TLG with their opinion. It's the "Trust Board" who should be approaching the members. Then, and only then, will the Trust work.

Spot on, either consult the masses for every decision, or take decisions as elected officers, but don't keep sitting on the fence.
In my opinion, if they are elected, then they should act for us ala Government, if we don't agree, we rise up and burn effigies of TLG, shame Corky as gone, it's easier making one legged effigies ,lol and before the PC brigade take offence, none is meant and Corky will laff at that more than most.

I think they should consult on EVERY decision. Election of a board is completely flawed and over political. You often end up with a Board that is loyal, heart in the right place but egotistical. Also the Board will never be able to represent the views of the diverse fanbase we have. Constant polling is the only way. We want a Supporters Trust. Not a mini Parliament.

I think they should consult on EVERY decision. Election of a board is completely flawed and over political. You often end up with a Board that is loyal, heart in the right place but egotistical. Also the Board will never be able to represent the views of the diverse fanbase we have. Constant polling is the only way. We want a Supporters Trust. Not a mini Parliament.

Thats what they should do, not have private meetings and decide on things that a couple of people want, Thats why I Resigned.

And surely it would make the Trust's job easier to go by the members rather than spending hours in rooms coming up with some spin?

Ridsdale for membership secretary lol!

I think they should consult on EVERY decision. Election of a board is completely flawed and over political. You often end up with a Board that is loyal, heart in the right place but egotistical. Also the Board will never be able to represent the views of the diverse fanbase we have. Constant polling is the only way. We want a Supporters Trust. Not a mini Parliament.

You can't ballot on every single decision, that would lead to so much beaurocracy nothing would every get done as the whole process gets paralysed by continual balloting.

the decision to ballot members needs to be on a common sense basis.

it's pretty clear that with the club in a crisis, a ballot should have taken place.

Fair point. Of course, there are decisions that can be made without a ballot. But this certainly wasn't one. But even an online poll on the Trust website can reduce any beaurocracy can't it?

You can't ballot on every single decision, that would lead to so much beaurocracy nothing would every get done as the whole process gets paralysed by continual balloting.

the decision to ballot members needs to be on a common sense basis.

it's pretty clear that with the club in a crisis, a ballot should have taken place.

Spot on common sense in a nutshell

Spot on, either consult the masses for every decision, or take decisions as elected officers, but don't keep sitting on the fence.
In my opinion, if they are elected, then they should act for us ala Government, if we don't agree, we rise up and burn effigies of TLG, shame Corky as gone, it's easier making one legged effigies ,lol and before the PC brigade take offence, none is meant and Corky will laff at that more than most.

I don't know if that was a serious post or not, but I found it hilarious

why not write an email on this board and if any members of the trust are on here and agree to the wording of the statement
calling for direct action against the board of city they can sign it and then send to tlg and other trust board members
then they can not say that any members have not called for action prob to late now it seems that no one got any confidense in them any more which is sad because it was set up by the supporters for the supporters which they seem to have forgotten
ridsdale and co will be delighted

I think they should consult on EVERY decision.

That would border on impossible to be honest.

If you want more of a say, stand for election.
If the Trust board has to consult EVERY time something happens then we'd still be dealing with stuff from years ago.

Yes, they maybe should have consulted, but they didn't. Now every time someone doesn't like something it's "down with the trust". I actually get the feeling some people want it to fail. Too many people want to be in charge, four times as many want to moan but do nothing about it.

You're all grown men(and ladies), and I'm all for protests and demonstrations, but there is a major need for togetherness here and too many are too keen to stick the boot into different factions.

To me, there's 3 groups here;

The Trust,
The loyal non trust member supporters
and, the johnny come latelys turn up when they can be bothered and don't really give a flying f**k group(referred to as the 15,000 who weren't on the march).

The problem with the 3rd group is just that, Up until a few years ago, they didn't exist as supporters and don't have the same attachment as the diehards. Nothing wrong with that, but that's how I see it.

The first two groups need to come together, smash some ideas about and be a bit more pro-active. Then target the third group and go to town on these muppets who run the football club.

All the division, and constant sniping, is helping no-one. There's more arguments on here between fans than I can believe, while the club still rumbles from one shambles to another.