selected few

how can the trust have a meeting with a few selected members they are not geting the general feeling
of the fans the way to go about things is to ask fans from this board the trust and supporterds club
the whole point of a trust is for them to listen to the fans and what theyb want not a certain few
and they snipe about this forum having a inner circle the power and there ego has gone to there heads
the meeting will be about what colour pen to write whith and should they use lined or blank note paper
i do not kn0ow how the trust members let them getting away with this select few it stinks

I'm a trust member, those from the ELECTED trust board are having discussions with ELECTED members of the Cardiff City supporters club, as I was part of the democratic elections that voted the current trust members onto the trust board, I'm not really sure of what I'm allowing them to get away with, in fact, that the trust board and Cardiff City supporters club are having dialogue, then I think i's a positive step and to be welcomed.

The other methods of protest, petitions, scarf's and the like are also a positive step, between the direct and indirect actions we could get the leech out of this club sooner rather than later, what will not help is the continual bickering, the only person who gains from it is the leech.

I support both methods, we should not be distracted from getting him out.

United we stand, divided we fall.

I just want ALL THE FANS TO BE UNITED AS ONE AGAINST THIS TYRANT.

I'm a trust member, those from the ELECTED trust board are having discussions with ELECTED members of the Cardiff City supporters club, as I was part of the democratic elections that voted the current trust members onto the trust board, I'm not really sure of what I'm allowing them to get away with, in fact, that the trust board and Cardiff City supporters club are having dialogue, then I think i's a positive step and to be welcomed.

The other methods of protest, petitions, scarf's and the like are also a positive step, between the direct and indirect actions we could get the leech out of this club sooner rather than later, what will not help is the continual bickering, the only person who gains from it is the leech.

I support both methods, we should not be distracted from getting him out.

United we stand, divided we fall.

the meeting should be open to all members wat if a member wants to put foward something or wants to question something
that comes up during thjat meeting and have the people who organised the march been asked to attend
i agree with you about bickering and the leech but to have a united front you must not let ego stand in your way

I'm a trust member, those from the ELECTED trust board are having discussions with ELECTED members of the Cardiff City supporters club, as I was part of the democratic elections that voted the current trust members onto the trust board, I'm not really sure of what I'm allowing them to get away with, in fact, that the trust board and Cardiff City supporters club are having dialogue, then I think i's a positive step and to be welcomed.

The other methods of protest, petitions, scarf's and the like are also a positive step, between the direct and indirect actions we could get the leech out of this club sooner rather than later, what will not help is the continual bickering, the only person who gains from it is the leech.

I support both methods, we should not be distracted from getting him out.

United we stand, divided we fall.

the meeting should be open to all members wat if a member wants to put foward something or wants to question something
that comes up during thjat meeting and have the people who organised the march been asked to attend
i agree with you about bickering and the leech but to have a united front you must not let ego stand in your way

I agree with Sleepers.

I just want ALL THE FANS TO BE UNITED AS ONE AGAINST THIS TYRANT.

I do agree, I was surprised though yesterday after our gutless display once we conceded the goal and at the final whistle, that the PR out chants were not taken up by the vast majority of our support, I thought it was a little worrying that what we sometimes consider to be our hard core (the away fans) didn't have much interest.

I just want ALL THE FANS TO BE UNITED AS ONE AGAINST THIS TYRANT.

I do agree, I was surprised though yesterday after our gutless display once we conceded the goal and at the final whistle, that the PR out chants were not taken up by the vast majority of our support, I thought it was a little worrying that what we sometimes consider to be our hard core (the away fans) didn't have much interest.

i think blue that the fans are so down hearted that the players and manger seem to give up when they go behind
they know we not going to win and the fans get piss off

how can the trust have a meeting with a few selected members they are not geting the general feeling
of the fans the way to go about things is to ask fans from this board the trust and supporterds club
the whole point of a trust is for them to listen to the fans and what theyb want not a certain few
and they snipe about this forum having a inner circle the power and there ego has gone to there heads
the meeting will be about what colour pen to write whith and should they use lined or blank note paper
i do not kn0ow how the trust members let them getting away with this select few it stinks

Because the committee was voted in by all members of the trust. If members of the trust dom't like what they do they can vote them out next time round. Similrly with the supporters ckub as car as I know

Message board s dont always refelct the view of the wider fan base.

I'm not sayiong by this that the Message boards ( don't forget there are two main ones and the other one has far more registered users and is much longer established that this one. Some on here seem to think that this is the only one that matters) don't have their place but they sometimes overrate their own importance

And stupid sarcastic remarks about lined paper and the colour of pens don't help

how can the trust have a meeting with a few selected members they are not geting the general feeling
of the fans the way to go about things is to ask fans from this board the trust and supporterds club
the whole point of a trust is for them to listen to the fans and what theyb want not a certain few
and they snipe about this forum having a inner circle the power and there ego has gone to there heads
the meeting will be about what colour pen to write whith and should they use lined or blank note paper
i do not kn0ow how the trust members let them getting away with this select few it stinks

Because the committee was voted in by all members of the trust. If members of the trust dom't like what they do they can vote them out next time round. Similrly with the supporters ckub as car as I know

Message board s dont always refelct the view of the wider fan base.

I'm not sayiong by this that the Message boards ( don't forget there are two main ones and the other one has far more registered users and is much longer established that this one. Some on here seem to think that this is the only one that matters) don't have their place but they sometimes overrate their own importance

And stupid sarcastic remarks about lined paper and the colour of pens don't help[/quote
people on here do not think that this forum is the only one that matters other wise like you they would not be registered on both boards and if you go on about people over rating there own importance surley you should be looking at the trust
the people on this board has organised the protest march with great success but have not being invited to take part in the meeting why?is it a ego thing or a closed door meeting my point is if you invite people from a broad spectrum then more can be done to rid us of the parasites and as for lined paper when this protest march was being planned by the people on here
they were taken trhis piss out yet was a great success

how can the trust have a meeting with a few selected members they are not geting the general feeling
of the fans the way to go about things is to ask fans from this board the trust and supporterds club
the whole point of a trust is for them to listen to the fans and what theyb want not a certain few
and they snipe about this forum having a inner circle the power and there ego has gone to there heads
the meeting will be about what colour pen to write whith and should they use lined or blank note paper
i do not kn0ow how the trust members let them getting away with this select few it stinks

Because the committee was voted in by all members of the trust. If members of the trust dom't like what they do they can vote them out next time round. Similrly with the supporters ckub as car as I know

Message board s dont always refelct the view of the wider fan base.

I'm not sayiong by this that the Message boards ( don't forget there are two main ones and the other one has far more registered users and is much longer established that this one. Some on here seem to think that this is the only one that matters) don't have their place but they sometimes overrate their own importance

And stupid sarcastic remarks about lined paper and the colour of pens don't help[/quote
people on here do not think that this forum is the only one that matters other wise like you they would not be registered on both boards and if you go on about people over rating there own importance surley you should be looking at the trust
the people on this board has organised the protest march with great success but have not being invited to take part in the meeting why?is it a ego thing or a closed door meeting my point is if you invite people from a broad spectrum then more can be done to rid us of the parasites and as for lined paper when this protest march was being planned by the people on here
they were taken trhis piss out yet was a great success

Because maybe they aren't part of the trust, therefore it isn't any of their business,so to speak.

As was said the only people meeting are the ones voted in by Trust members.

Fans can't expect to go to a small Trust meeting involving senior trust members especially if they aren't a trust member in the first place.

It's kind of like a group of friends having a meal together than a random stranger asking if they can go.

Hope that makes sense.

Anyway things are looking brighter now

how can the trust have a meeting with a few selected members they are not geting the general feeling
of the fans the way to go about things is to ask fans from this board the trust and supporterds club

The Trust should be asking members of the Trust. And if members of the Trust wish for a matter to get discussed, they can contact the representatives of the Trust and request for them to do so. Why should the Trust lobby members of this board, or CCSC if they are not members of the trust?

the whole point of a trust is for them to listen to the fans and what theyb want not a certain few
and they snipe about this forum having a inner circle the power and there ego has gone to there heads

The whole point of the Trust is to listen to their members. If some benefit for the supporter base as a whole then develops, then great, but if you want them to listen to you, join up.

the meeting will be about what colour pen to write whith and should they use lined or blank note paper
i do not kn0ow how the trust members let them getting away with this select few it stinks

I said it this morning on another thread, which was then deleted (so much for a democratic forum). If you or Annis want to attend a meeting, then why don't you organise one yourselves, instead of hijacking the Trust's? I think it's taking the piss to expect the club board and The Trust to welcome you into their discussions with open arms after what has been said about them on here. Plenty on here have been putting down the Trust in the past couple of weeks, and as for the club, don't you think you've burnt your bridges now?

how can the trust have a meeting with a few selected members they are not geting the general feeling
of the fans the way to go about things is to ask fans from this board the trust and supporterds club

The Trust should be asking members of the Trust. And if members of the Trust wish for a matter to get discussed, they can contact the representatives of the Trust and request for them to do so. Why should the Trust lobby members of this board, or CCSC if they are not members of the trust?

The Trust claim in the statement to represent thousands of loyal fans. They represent 850 members according to TLG>

the whole point of a trust is for them to listen to the fans and what theyb want not a certain few
and they snipe about this forum having a inner circle the power and there ego has gone to there heads

The whole point of the Trust is to listen to their members. If some benefit for the supporter base as a whole then develops, then great, but if you want them to listen to you, join up.

And when there's for example a march, it's up to the members of the Trust to openly lobby the officials to discuss any action! A pro-active Trust board would consult the members beforehand.

I said it this morning on another thread, which was then deleted (so much for a democratic forum). If you or Annis want to attend a meeting, then why don't you organise one yourselves, instead of hijacking the Trust's? I think it's taking the piss to expect the club board and The Trust to welcome you into their discussions with open arms after what has been said about them on here. Plenty on here have been putting down the Trust in the past couple of weeks, and as for the club, don't you think you've burnt your bridges now?

Funnily enough, do you think Ridders would hold a meeting with people from this forum? Organise a meeting, hmm?

So those who openly have no time for Ridsdale and are vocal in expressing those views are clearly marginalised and irrelevant.

Note, when TLG elsewhere refers to the NOTW report, try reading the report. Spot the absence of any reference to the Trust.

You tell me which is the most effective - a march organised that attracts 2k people, or a Trust statement, where the trust represents 850 people. Which represents the fans more?

The Trust claim in the statement to represent thousands of loyal fans. They represent 850 members according to TLG>

No, the statement claimed to represent thousands of fans. It was a joint statement between the CCSC ans CCST.

And when there's for example a march, it's up to the members of the Trust to openly lobby the officials to discuss any action! A pro-active Trust board would consult the members beforehand.

Does the government ask your opinion on every single issue? The board are elected to represent the members, if the members have an issue with the way the board dealt with this, they can say so and act in the next few weeks when the board gets re-elected. It wasn't a Trust march. They did not say to the fans or it's members that the march was not a good idea. If you wanted the strength of the Trust behind the march then maybe you should have tried to organise it with them, rather than as another separate group.

Funnily enough, do you think Ridders would hold a meeting with people from this forum? Organise a meeting, hmm?

ask yourself why? The Trust have kept the dialogue open, and now have a meeting organised with the club. Annis tried a vote of no confidence, and voted against a shareholders motion at the egm. Why do you think they won't welcome representatives of this forum? And further more, it's just a messageboard, not a supporters group, and just because there are 2500 members of it, it doesn't mean that the views of all those members are 100% aligned.

You tell me which is the most effective - a march organised that attracts 2k people, or a Trust statement, where the trust represents 850 people. Which represents the fans more?

Numbers aren't the issue. It's the credibility. Who has the meeting arranged? Answer that and you'll answer what is more effective up to now.

why fetch annis into this haven you and the board got a crush on him
i do not want hijack the meeting and i personaly could not give one shit if i
have burnt my bridges with the club this board and the people who organised the protest march
invited the trust to go on the march for the sole reason to unite the fans against the parasites
at the club as for slagging off the trust people in glass houses come to mind
by getting all the prominent people involved it would be easier to organise some kind
off protest but that would be to easy
and we do not have a meeting to have are say we already did THE PROTEST MARCH

why fetch annis into this haven you and the board got a crush on him
i do not want hijack the meeting and i personaly could not give one shit if i
have burnt my bridges with the club this board and the people who organised the protest march
invited the trust to go on the march for the sole reason to unite the fans against the parasites
at the club as for slagging off the trust people in glass houses come to mind
by getting all the prominent people involved it would be easier to organise some kind
off protest but that would be to easy
and we do not have a meeting to have are say we already did THE PROTEST MARCH

Then what was the point of you starting the thread? If you don't give a shit, what are you moaning about?
You've had your say at the march, so what is so wrong with The Trust having their say at a meeting?

the trust can only represent the fans who are members who have voted them in

I dont agree with everything the trust does but as a member I am happy for them to speak on my behalf with the club

the suggestion I would make is ,as always

if you are unhappy with the way a supporters group is dealing with the club ..then you have two options ..

join the trust and vote off those who are on the board

or..set up another supporters group..which has to be democratic or you will be open to critisism from outsiders

why fetch annis into this haven you and the board got a crush on him
i do not want hijack the meeting and i personaly could not give one shit if i
have burnt my bridges with the club this board and the people who organised the protest march
invited the trust to go on the march for the sole reason to unite the fans against the parasites
at the club as for slagging off the trust people in glass houses come to mind
by getting all the prominent people involved it would be easier to organise some kind
off protest but that would be to easy
and we do not have a meeting to have are say we already did THE PROTEST MARCH

Then what was the point of you starting the thread? If you don't give a shit, what are you moaning about?
You've had your say at the march, so what is so wrong with The Trust having their say at a meeting?

Exactly, their own private meeting at that.

the trust can only represent the fans who are members who have voted them in

I dont agree with everything the trust does but as a member I am happy for them to speak on my behalf with the club

the suggestion I would make is ,as always

if you are unhappy with the way a supporters group is dealing with the club ..then you have two options ..

join the trust and vote off those who are on the board

or..set up another supporters group..which has to be democratic or you will be open to critisism from outsiders

100% agree

even within a democratic , elected group you will have differences of opinion

lets say a supporters group is set up outside of the trust

what happens if they are able to hold meetings with the club ..

what happens if after a meeting you have people within that group who are unhappy with whats being done or what has been said ?

you will have xactly the same situation as what has happened with the trust .....

some people agree with their approach over the latest goings on

some people have not agreed

so the members of the trust will have the chance to vote on what the board have done when they are up for election

why fetch annis into this haven you and the board got a crush on him
i do not want hijack the meeting and i personaly could not give one shit if i
have burnt my bridges with the club this board and the people who organised the protest march
invited the trust to go on the march for the sole reason to unite the fans against the parasites
at the club as for slagging off the trust people in glass houses come to mind
by getting all the prominent people involved it would be easier to organise some kind
off protest but that would be to easy
and we do not have a meeting to have are say we already did THE PROTEST MARCH

Then what was the point of you starting the thread? If you don't give a shit, what are you moaning about?
You've had your say at the march, so what is so wrong with The Trust having their say at a meeting?

Exactly, their own private meeting at that.

they have been elected to represent their members by ballot

as a member of the trust if I am unhappy with the actions of the board over recent matters then I will make my decision via the vote

the trust is a democratically elected group ...if another such group is set up because people feel the trust has not represented them then I would have thought that as long as its a democratic group , they will have representatives who will be given the power, via being elected , to speak on behalf of thier members at meetings with the club

I fully understand and appreciate that people think the trust has not represented them ..but if you are not a memebr , join up and change things

if you are not preapred to do that , then set up another supporters group , ensuring it is democratic as you will be in the firing line from people

its the way it is I am afraid


I would prefer all this could be avoided to be honest


I think the trust , supporters club and well organised peaceful protest ALL HAVE A PART TO PLAY


I am out of here !

I don't understand why you quoted me Sludge.

I am a Trust member.

I was just saying that it's a Trust meeting so anyone who isn't a Trust member shouldn't expect to be invited.

It's hard to really show what you mean on a messageborad.

Because the committee was voted in by all members of the trust. If members of the trust dom't like what they do they can vote them out next time round. Similrly with the supporters ckub as car as I know

Message board s dont always refelct the view of the wider fan base.

I'm not sayiong by this that the Message boards ( don't forget there are two main ones and the other one has far more registered users and is much longer established that this one. Some on here seem to think that this is the only one that matters) don't have their place but they sometimes overrate their own importance

Yes you are correct that is the way things are SUPPOSED to work.

However, when I voted for the Trust Board Members last year each of the 11 candidates included a promise to engage on a regular basis with the membership and follow their wishes.

Up until I left the Trust 2 days ago I had never been canvassed on any subject never mind my views on the Trust's public backing of the protest marches during these times of extraordinary crisis for CCFC.

I have emailed off my own back before now but on several occasion I did-not receive a reply.

Therefore it is hard to understand how the Trust Board can gauge the feelings of the membership as promised if THEY don't proactively seek the memberships view. Please don't get side tracked by TLG's 'back me or sack me' ramble, because that is not the real point of how the Trust is supposed to work.