WHY WAS MY POST DELETED..?

I wrote a post last night 'FAO NERD (RE: THE TRUST)...

Can I ask where it is..?

If it's been deleted i'd like you to cancel my account on here as I no longer wish to have my opinions and view supressed on what should be an open forum to discuss issues relating to the football club, thanks.

That's how I'm feeling a bit this morning,

Getting a bit silly

People are allowed to abuse the trust, and insult certain people - but as soon as anything positive is said it gets deleted

My post was neither favourable nor a slating of The Trust, just merely pointing out a valid point regarding one of the decisions made on the fans behalf, I can't be bothered to go into it now.

Either way i've started the process of deleting my avatar, signature, inbox/outbox and sent messages and as soon as I get the answer i'm assuming i'll get i'm off.

it wasnt an opinion

it was a statement you made which you suggested was a fact about the trust and the seating at the stadium

it was totally incorrect

and if thats the reason why it was deleted , then that shows this board is true to its word

it wasnt an opinion

it was a statement you made which you suggested was a fact about the trust and the seating at the stadium

it was totally incorrect

and if thats the reason why it was deleted , then that shows this board is true to its word

If Splott-light was 'suggesting' something then surely that's an opinion not a statement of fact?

I remember someone posted something a while back and it did not agree with the views of certain people on here and it was swiftly deleted.

This message board has got great people on here who all love city and we all respect each other on here but I have found the way it's run SOMETIMES a bit suspect.

tony

lets stop playing games here

its pathetic

splott posted as a fact on here that the trust was responsible for arranging a seating plan that had ruined the atmosphere at ninian park

it was a dig at the trust , totally incorrect factually , and he knows it

sometimes in life you have to hold up your hand and say so

it wasnt an opinion

it was a statement you made which you suggested was a fact about the trust and the seating at the stadium

it was totally incorrect

and if thats the reason why it was deleted , then that shows this board is true to its word

It actually was a fact, the information was taken from a message that TLG sent me on the CCMB forum...

If you'd like me to cut & paste the entire message that TLG sent me with the paragraph highlighted I will, in fact I am going to... won't be long smartarse.

I remember someone posted something a while back and it did not agree with the views of certain people on here and it was swiftly deleted.

This message board has got great people on here who all love city and we all respect each other on here but I have found the way it's run SOMETIMES a bit suspect.

I think deleting the thread was the best thing to do , the moderators were right

if someone posts something which is totally incorrect , it has no place on a messageboard

I dont think the way its run is suspect , although I dont agree with some things that are said

but thats life

It probably wasn't anything to do with what you posted anyway, It would have been the subsequent debate I would have thought.

It seems like loads of threads were deleted this morning, most of which were decent debate about the trust amongst other things. Nothing ended up getting silly really, but it seems as if we're not allowed to debate anymore

I remember someone posted something a while back and it did not agree with the views of certain people on here and it was swiftly deleted.

This message board has got great people on here who all love city and we all respect each other on here but I have found the way it's run SOMETIMES a bit suspect.

I think deleting the thread was the best thing to do , the moderators were right

if someone posts something which is totally incorrect , it has no place on a messageboard

I dont think the way its run is suspect , although I dont agree with some things that are said

but thats life

I know nothing about what Splott Light posted, I just took this thread as an opportunity to say what I thought.

Exact cut & paste sent to me on the CCMB under the title 'FAO Splott-light RE The Trust'.

In fact here is the link: http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... sg_1779265

Never accuse me of shit stirring with unfounded rumour.



The following is an article I wrote about the Trust for the first issue of our magazine. Obviously, more has happened since this was written, but it might give you a flavour of what the Trust is all about:

Led by the government-backed Supporters Direct organisation, the supporters' trust movement has been steadily gathering momentum in recent years. There are now over 150 trusts in operation with more than 130,000 paid-up members throughout Britain. Clubs in the top two divisions whose fans are served by trusts include Manchester United, Arsenal, Aston Villa, Tottenham, Ipswich and Derby, while in Scotland followers of both Old Firm clubs have become a part of the movement. In Wales and the West almost all of the major clubs have active trusts, including Swansea, Newport, Wrexham, Plymouth, Bristol City and Bristol Rovers. In September 2008, a small but dedicated band of Bluebirds fans officially launched the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust. The following is the story of the Trust so far:

Back in November 2007, former Valley RAMS secretary Paul Corkrey called a meeting at the Municipal Club in Cardiff with a view to setting up a supporters' trust at Cardiff City. The idea certainly wasn't a new one; it had been discussed by Bluebirds fans at regular intervals down the years, but had never previously got off the ground. As a result of his involvement with the national Football Supporters' Federation, Corky, as Paul is better-known, had become aware of the good work being done by supporters' trusts at numerous other clubs up and down the country. Consequently, he felt City fans should attempt to form a trust of their own, especially as the Langston legal case was casting a dark shadow over Ninian Park at the time.

Twenty three people attended that first meeting and decided to investigate the possibility further. A fortnight later, more than fifty people attended a second meeting at the Lansdowne Hotel as the idea began to take shape. A steering group of volunteers was quickly formed and its members soon agreed on the main principles of the proposed trust. It was decided that the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust should be a democratic, non-profit making organisation that would be owned and run by the fans themselves. It was also agreed that the trust should be open, accountable, easily affordable, actively inclusive and fully representative of its membership.

The steering group decided the trust's primary short-term objectives should be to enter into a regular dialogue with Cardiff City officials on all of the issues that affect the fans in a bid to improve the relationship between the club and its supporters, and to work alongside the Bluebirds' staff in attempting to find ways to further develop the links between the club and the South Wales community an initiative that will hopefully help to increase the club's support throughout the region.

The longer-term aims were to raise enough money to buy a significant shareholding in the club and to promote the principle of supporter representation on the club's board of directors. It was felt that Cardiff City fans had been without a genuine voice for far too long, and it was hoped that the formation of an active and democratic trust would go a long way towards rectifying that situation.

The volunteers, who were based at the Duke of Clarence pub in Canton, organised themselves into working groups and began making arrangements for an open public meeting, which took place at the Welsh Institute of Sport in Sophia Gardens on the morning of the home game against Southampton in March 2008. The purpose of the meeting was to introduce the theory behind the supporters' trust movement with the help of guest speakers from Supporters Direct and the Saints Trust. More than a hundred City fans attended the event and they voted unanimously in favour of the formation of a trust, so it was all systems go from that point onwards.

The steering group spent the next few months working alongside Supporters Direct officials while drawing up the trust's constitution and membership details. Once those jobs had been completed, the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust became a legal entity in August 2008. The Trust was registered as an Industrial and Provident Society with the Financial Services Authority, and was given the formal title of the Cardiff City Supporters' Society Limited.

The official launch of the Trust was staged a month later at the Electricity Club in Pontcanna and it was a huge success. Around three hundred supporters attended the event and more than two thirds became Trust members on the night. The guests of honour were City legends Phil Dwyer, Jason Perry and Andy Legg, who signed up for the membership packages bearing their names. Fans were able to have their photos taken with the FA Cup, Jonathan Owen introduced a screening of his popular Cup final film, and BBC Radio Wales commentator Rob Phillips hosted a lively forum featuring former Premiership referee Keith Cooper, Western Mail journalist Steve Tucker, Supporters Direct official Kevin Rye and the three ex-players.

In October 2008, members of the Trust's steering group held their first formal meeting with Bluebirds Chairman Peter Ridsdale and Group Finance Director Alan Flitcroft. Topics discussed included the club's relationship with its supporters, seating arrangements and ticket prices at the new stadium, the Ninian Park End of an Era celebrations, away 'bubble' trips, a couple of anti-hooliganism initiatives and several community-related issues. As a direct result of concerns raised by Trust representatives during that initial meeting at Ninian, the club's officials reviewed and subsequently altered their plans in relation to the positioning of the Family Section at the new Cardiff City Stadium.

The Trust's first community event took place a few weeks later at Barry College, where City stars Eddie Johnson and Miguel Comminges joined steering group members Tracey Marsh and Mark Hooper for a questions and answers session with the college's football team. The players' visit was a part of the college's Black History Month celebrations an event which has been held annually in the USA since 1926 and is now held every October here in Britain. It was a great success and gained some excellent press coverage for both the club and the Trust.

In the first week of December, Trust members were invited by the club's officials to a special season ticket presentation at Ninian Park. Around sixty fans attended the event, which was hosted by Julian Jenkins, the club's Head of Customer Services and Ticketing. Peter Ridsdale, Alan Flitcroft and Stadium Manager Wayne Nash were also in attendance, and between them they were able to answer most of the supporters' questions about ticketing and seating issues at the new ground. During a very constructive meeting, Trust members were given a valuable preview of the excellent computer graphics the club later used to help fans choose their seats when the 2009/10 season tickets went on sale.

Early in the New Year, the steering group began preparing for the election of the Trust's first board of directors. Eleven members stood for the nine available positions on the board, and those elected after a postal ballot were: Paul Corkrey (Chairman), Tim Hartley (Vice Chairman), Martin Bale, David Craig, Tracey Marsh, Keith Morgan, Paul Russell, Dave Sugarman and Anthony Wedlake. Other members who are continuing to work for the Trust in various capacities following the elections include Geraint Jones (Secretary), Rob Keegan (Treasurer) and Phil Nifield (Press Officer).

The election results were announced to the membership during the Trust's first Annual General Meeting, which took place in the Canton Suite at Ninian Park in mid-April. While addressing the members, Chairman Paul Corkrey revealed the Trust had successfully completed the purchase of its first block of shares in the club. In a brief ceremony held in the Ninian boardroom, Acting Secretary Paul Russell handed over a cheque for £999.95 to Bluebirds chief Peter Ridsdale, who presented Paul with a certificate giving the Trust 2,857 ordinary shares in Cardiff City Football Club (Holdings) Limited. This significant step will enable the Trust to be officially represented at the company's next AGM, and also means that every Trust member is now a part-owner of the Bluebirds.

The Trust hit the headlines in June when members raised strong objections to the club's proposed pricing policy for the pre-season friendly matches against Celtic and Valencia. Following lengthy discussions with representatives of the Trust and the Cardiff City Supporters' Club, the football club's officials slashed the prices of tickets for both fixtures, and also reduced the cost of some of the food and beverages at the new stadium.

In July, the club's Group Finance Director, Alan Flitcroft, was the Trust's special guest during an open meeting at the Duke of Clarence. Around fifty fans attended the event and they were able to question Alan on a wide range of issues. Topics covered during an informative meeting included the away membership scheme, match day prices for the 2009/10 season, e-ticketing booking fees, the Langston loan notes debt, customer service levels and the club's lack of marketing initiatives.

As you may have read in the South Wales press, the Trust is spearheading the Fred Keenor Memorial Campaign. Trust member Mike Inker drew up an on-line petition in late-2007 with a view to gauging interest in the idea of having a statue erected in honour of City's legendary FA Cup-winning captain. After more than a thousand fans had signed his petition, Mike approached the Trust's steering group and asked for help. A Fred Keenor Memorial sub-committee was set up and the campaign quickly took off after receiving backing from the South Wales Echo. Twenty volunteers from the Trust, including Fred's nephew, Graham Keenor, went out onto the streets around Ninian Park before the Easter Monday victory over Burnley and managed to add a further five thousand signatures to the petition.

Three accomplished local sculptors have been invited by the Trust to tender for the job of creating the Fred Keenor statue. They are Roger Andrews, who hails from Llantwit Major and is currently producing the statue of Sir Tasker Watkins which will stand outside the Millennium Stadium; Cardiff-based James Done, who created the tributes to comedian Tommy Cooper in Caerphilly and boxer Johnny Owen in Merthyr Tydfil; and Michael Field, also of Cardiff, who produced the statue of Ivor Allchurch which stands outside Swansea's Liberty Stadium.

The three sculptors have been asked to submit their ideas and prices by the end of September. They have also been requested to create a maquette, which is a small-scale model of their proposed design. As soon as the costs have been established and one of the sculptors has been awarded the contract, the Trust will present its petition to the Cardiff Council in a bid to gain financial support and planning assistance. The Welsh Assembly Government, Cardiff City Football Club and businesses in the South Wales area will then be asked for their backing, and a public fundraising appeal will also be launched.

A location for the proposed statue has yet to be finalised but the most likely site is within the grounds of the Cardiff City Stadium. In a further boost to the campaign, which is being managed by board member David Craig, the Trust has recently been given permission by the Football Association to use the image of the FA Cup in the proposed statue.




I've highlighted the piece of text that I was refering to.

This is my opinion and not fact but this board does need a cooling off period with regard to the Trust and TLG. After all we did lead the way in exposing the shortcomings of the Trust Board which has led to the resignation of a prominent leader so there is nothing to be gained from seeming to gloat.

I personally don't mind that (although admittedly Splott-lights thread was very interesting) and it does give us an opportunity to get back on target with the real enemy (Ridsdale) and also focus on our promotion push which seems to be passing us by.

it wasnt an opinion

it was a statement you made which you suggested was a fact about the trust and the seating at the stadium

it was totally incorrect

and if thats the reason why it was deleted , then that shows this board is true to its word

It actually was a fact, the information was taken from a message that TLG sent me on the CCMB forum...

If you'd like me to cut & paste the entire message that TLG sent me with the paragraph highlighted I will, in fact I am going to... won't be long smartarse.

i agree with wat you are saying but you are playing onto people hands by insulting them there was no need to call anyone smart arse he was just giving his thoughts on this debate which is what i thought you wanted

tony

lets stop playing games here

its pathetic

splott posted as a fact on here that the trust was responsible for arranging a seating plan that had ruined the atmosphere at ninian park

it was a dig at the trust , totally incorrect factually , and he knows it

sometimes in life you have to hold up your hand and say so

Well TBH Sludge from what Splott has just posted I think you need to hold your hands up.

it wasnt an opinion

it was a statement you made which you suggested was a fact about the trust and the seating at the stadium

it was totally incorrect

and if thats the reason why it was deleted , then that shows this board is true to its word

It actually was a fact, the information was taken from a message that TLG sent me on the CCMB forum...

If you'd like me to cut & paste the entire message that TLG sent me with the paragraph highlighted I will, in fact I am going to... won't be long smartarse.

i agree with wat you are saying but you are playing onto people hands by insulting them there was no need to call anyone smart arse he was just giving his thoughts on this debate which is what i thought you wanted

SLUDGE was questioning my integrity and pointing me out to be a liar and scaremonger, i've now provided the proof to back up my claim and look forward to SLUDGES apology, either in a PM or on the main messageboard.

I can't have my integrity questioned, and will go to the end of the earth to make that known, in that respect i'm very similar to TLG.

tony

lets stop playing games here

its pathetic

splott posted as a fact on here that the trust was responsible for arranging a seating plan that had ruined the atmosphere at ninian park

it was a dig at the trust , totally incorrect factually , and he knows it

sometimes in life you have to hold up your hand and say so

Well TBH Sludge from what Splott has just posted I think you need to hold your hands up.

i agree he has proved wat he was stating and there was no reason to delete his thread well done splott from another splott boy

tony

lets stop playing games here

its pathetic

splott posted as a fact on here that the trust was responsible for arranging a seating plan that had ruined the atmosphere at ninian park

it was a dig at the trust , totally incorrect factually , and he knows it

sometimes in life you have to hold up your hand and say so

Well TBH Sludge from what Splott has just posted I think you need to hold your hands up.

Yeah I think this... "as a direct result of concerns raised by Trust representatives during that initial meeting at Ninian, the club's officials reviewed and subsequently altered their plans in relation to the positioning of the Family Section at the new Cardiff City Stadium" pretty much says it all doesn't it.

Exact cut & paste sent to me on the CCMB under the title 'FAO Splott-light RE The Trust'.

In fact here is the link: http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... sg_1779265

Never accuse me of shit stirring with unfounded rumour.



The following is an article I wrote about the Trust for the first issue of our magazine. Obviously, more has happened since this was written, but it might give you a flavour of what the Trust is all about:

Led by the government-backed Supporters Direct organisation, the supporters' trust movement has been steadily gathering momentum in recent years. There are now over 150 trusts in operation with more than 130,000 paid-up members throughout Britain. Clubs in the top two divisions whose fans are served by trusts include Manchester United, Arsenal, Aston Villa, Tottenham, Ipswich and Derby, while in Scotland followers of both Old Firm clubs have become a part of the movement. In Wales and the West almost all of the major clubs have active trusts, including Swansea, Newport, Wrexham, Plymouth, Bristol City and Bristol Rovers. In September 2008, a small but dedicated band of Bluebirds fans officially launched the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust. The following is the story of the Trust so far:

Back in November 2007, former Valley RAMS secretary Paul Corkrey called a meeting at the Municipal Club in Cardiff with a view to setting up a supporters' trust at Cardiff City. The idea certainly wasn't a new one; it had been discussed by Bluebirds fans at regular intervals down the years, but had never previously got off the ground. As a result of his involvement with the national Football Supporters' Federation, Corky, as Paul is better-known, had become aware of the good work being done by supporters' trusts at numerous other clubs up and down the country. Consequently, he felt City fans should attempt to form a trust of their own, especially as the Langston legal case was casting a dark shadow over Ninian Park at the time.

Twenty three people attended that first meeting and decided to investigate the possibility further. A fortnight later, more than fifty people attended a second meeting at the Lansdowne Hotel as the idea began to take shape. A steering group of volunteers was quickly formed and its members soon agreed on the main principles of the proposed trust. It was decided that the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust should be a democratic, non-profit making organisation that would be owned and run by the fans themselves. It was also agreed that the trust should be open, accountable, easily affordable, actively inclusive and fully representative of its membership.

The steering group decided the trust's primary short-term objectives should be to enter into a regular dialogue with Cardiff City officials on all of the issues that affect the fans in a bid to improve the relationship between the club and its supporters, and to work alongside the Bluebirds' staff in attempting to find ways to further develop the links between the club and the South Wales community an initiative that will hopefully help to increase the club's support throughout the region.

The longer-term aims were to raise enough money to buy a significant shareholding in the club and to promote the principle of supporter representation on the club's board of directors. It was felt that Cardiff City fans had been without a genuine voice for far too long, and it was hoped that the formation of an active and democratic trust would go a long way towards rectifying that situation.

The volunteers, who were based at the Duke of Clarence pub in Canton, organised themselves into working groups and began making arrangements for an open public meeting, which took place at the Welsh Institute of Sport in Sophia Gardens on the morning of the home game against Southampton in March 2008. The purpose of the meeting was to introduce the theory behind the supporters' trust movement with the help of guest speakers from Supporters Direct and the Saints Trust. More than a hundred City fans attended the event and they voted unanimously in favour of the formation of a trust, so it was all systems go from that point onwards.

The steering group spent the next few months working alongside Supporters Direct officials while drawing up the trust's constitution and membership details. Once those jobs had been completed, the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust became a legal entity in August 2008. The Trust was registered as an Industrial and Provident Society with the Financial Services Authority, and was given the formal title of the Cardiff City Supporters' Society Limited.

The official launch of the Trust was staged a month later at the Electricity Club in Pontcanna and it was a huge success. Around three hundred supporters attended the event and more than two thirds became Trust members on the night. The guests of honour were City legends Phil Dwyer, Jason Perry and Andy Legg, who signed up for the membership packages bearing their names. Fans were able to have their photos taken with the FA Cup, Jonathan Owen introduced a screening of his popular Cup final film, and BBC Radio Wales commentator Rob Phillips hosted a lively forum featuring former Premiership referee Keith Cooper, Western Mail journalist Steve Tucker, Supporters Direct official Kevin Rye and the three ex-players.

In October 2008, members of the Trust's steering group held their first formal meeting with Bluebirds Chairman Peter Ridsdale and Group Finance Director Alan Flitcroft. Topics discussed included the club's relationship with its supporters, seating arrangements and ticket prices at the new stadium, the Ninian Park End of an Era celebrations, away 'bubble' trips, a couple of anti-hooliganism initiatives and several community-related issues. As a direct result of concerns raised by Trust representatives during that initial meeting at Ninian, the club's officials reviewed and subsequently altered their plans in relation to the positioning of the Family Section at the new Cardiff City Stadium.

The Trust's first community event took place a few weeks later at Barry College, where City stars Eddie Johnson and Miguel Comminges joined steering group members Tracey Marsh and Mark Hooper for a questions and answers session with the college's football team. The players' visit was a part of the college's Black History Month celebrations an event which has been held annually in the USA since 1926 and is now held every October here in Britain. It was a great success and gained some excellent press coverage for both the club and the Trust.

In the first week of December, Trust members were invited by the club's officials to a special season ticket presentation at Ninian Park. Around sixty fans attended the event, which was hosted by Julian Jenkins, the club's Head of Customer Services and Ticketing. Peter Ridsdale, Alan Flitcroft and Stadium Manager Wayne Nash were also in attendance, and between them they were able to answer most of the supporters' questions about ticketing and seating issues at the new ground. During a very constructive meeting, Trust members were given a valuable preview of the excellent computer graphics the club later used to help fans choose their seats when the 2009/10 season tickets went on sale.

Early in the New Year, the steering group began preparing for the election of the Trust's first board of directors. Eleven members stood for the nine available positions on the board, and those elected after a postal ballot were: Paul Corkrey (Chairman), Tim Hartley (Vice Chairman), Martin Bale, David Craig, Tracey Marsh, Keith Morgan, Paul Russell, Dave Sugarman and Anthony Wedlake. Other members who are continuing to work for the Trust in various capacities following the elections include Geraint Jones (Secretary), Rob Keegan (Treasurer) and Phil Nifield (Press Officer).

The election results were announced to the membership during the Trust's first Annual General Meeting, which took place in the Canton Suite at Ninian Park in mid-April. While addressing the members, Chairman Paul Corkrey revealed the Trust had successfully completed the purchase of its first block of shares in the club. In a brief ceremony held in the Ninian boardroom, Acting Secretary Paul Russell handed over a cheque for £999.95 to Bluebirds chief Peter Ridsdale, who presented Paul with a certificate giving the Trust 2,857 ordinary shares in Cardiff City Football Club (Holdings) Limited. This significant step will enable the Trust to be officially represented at the company's next AGM, and also means that every Trust member is now a part-owner of the Bluebirds.

The Trust hit the headlines in June when members raised strong objections to the club's proposed pricing policy for the pre-season friendly matches against Celtic and Valencia. Following lengthy discussions with representatives of the Trust and the Cardiff City Supporters' Club, the football club's officials slashed the prices of tickets for both fixtures, and also reduced the cost of some of the food and beverages at the new stadium.

In July, the club's Group Finance Director, Alan Flitcroft, was the Trust's special guest during an open meeting at the Duke of Clarence. Around fifty fans attended the event and they were able to question Alan on a wide range of issues. Topics covered during an informative meeting included the away membership scheme, match day prices for the 2009/10 season, e-ticketing booking fees, the Langston loan notes debt, customer service levels and the club's lack of marketing initiatives.

As you may have read in the South Wales press, the Trust is spearheading the Fred Keenor Memorial Campaign. Trust member Mike Inker drew up an on-line petition in late-2007 with a view to gauging interest in the idea of having a statue erected in honour of City's legendary FA Cup-winning captain. After more than a thousand fans had signed his petition, Mike approached the Trust's steering group and asked for help. A Fred Keenor Memorial sub-committee was set up and the campaign quickly took off after receiving backing from the South Wales Echo. Twenty volunteers from the Trust, including Fred's nephew, Graham Keenor, went out onto the streets around Ninian Park before the Easter Monday victory over Burnley and managed to add a further five thousand signatures to the petition.

Three accomplished local sculptors have been invited by the Trust to tender for the job of creating the Fred Keenor statue. They are Roger Andrews, who hails from Llantwit Major and is currently producing the statue of Sir Tasker Watkins which will stand outside the Millennium Stadium; Cardiff-based James Done, who created the tributes to comedian Tommy Cooper in Caerphilly and boxer Johnny Owen in Merthyr Tydfil; and Michael Field, also of Cardiff, who produced the statue of Ivor Allchurch which stands outside Swansea's Liberty Stadium.

The three sculptors have been asked to submit their ideas and prices by the end of September. They have also been requested to create a maquette, which is a small-scale model of their proposed design. As soon as the costs have been established and one of the sculptors has been awarded the contract, the Trust will present its petition to the Cardiff Council in a bid to gain financial support and planning assistance. The Welsh Assembly Government, Cardiff City Football Club and businesses in the South Wales area will then be asked for their backing, and a public fundraising appeal will also be launched.

A location for the proposed statue has yet to be finalised but the most likely site is within the grounds of the Cardiff City Stadium. In a further boost to the campaign, which is being managed by board member David Craig, the Trust has recently been given permission by the Football Association to use the image of the FA Cup in the proposed statue.




I've highlighted the piece of text that I was refering to.

In short. The club wanted to put the Family Section next to the away fans and some Trust members (there wasnt a Trust board at the time), including myself met the club to talk about a few items. We strongly put it to the club that it was a mistake to lay the ground out as it was and were told that they couldnt do anything about it as the safety Adisory Group, and in particular the police had insisted on it to give us the license.

After further meetings the club relented and moved the family Scetion over 2 blocks away from the away fans.

THAT is what the statement is talking about.

AT NO POINT did the club EVER consider putting the families in the Canton, which I beleive has cost the club revenue, but thats another story.
So please just drop the accusation because its rubbish.

here is what you wrote this weekend on this messageboard

" the reason for the family stand being next to the away fans is DOWN TO A RECOMMENDATION PUT FORWARD by the SUPPORTERS TRUST ......THE TRUST HAS SINGLE HANDEDLY KILLED THE ATMOSPHERE AT THE NEW STADIUM "

totally incorrect


the trust didnt put forward this suggestion

and the trust didnt single handedly ruin the atmosphere at the new stadium


the family section is NOT next to the away fans ...its the COMMUNITY section


those are the facts splott

Splott-Light - I've posted this for you on the other forum but you obviously haven't read it yet:

I see you are once again raking the muck regarding the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust on the other message board in a post you submitted at 2:23am this morning. It appears you have reached a wrong conclusion about some of the work the Trust has done in the past as you have misinterpreted information you have been given.

On AAMB, you stated the following:

"The reason for the family stand being next to the away fans is down to a recommendation put forward by the Supporters Trust. The Trust has single handedly killed the atmosphere at the new stadium."

That is, of course, complete and utter nonsense, so I would hereby like to set the record straight for you:

The truth is the club was originally going to situate the Family Section directly next to the away fans. The Community Section was set to be situated between the Family Section and the Grandstand.

A number of Trust members along with various other supporters raised objections about these plans. At the time, they feared that putting the Family Section right next to the away fans was dangerous. Some stated they would not be buying season tickets for their children as a result.

During the Trust's first official meeting with the club, this issue was discussed and the fears of those fans were outlined. As a direct result of that meeting, the club reviewed and subsequently altered its plans. A decision was made by club officials to move the Family Section further to the left so that the Community Section would be situated directly next to the away fans as opposed to the Family Section.

By making that alteration, the club not only managed to reassure fans in the Family Section that their children would be safe, but they made it a little easier for themselves if they ever need to give more of the Grangetown Stand seats over to away fans for big cup matches.

You appear to be unaware that the block of seats directly next to the away fans does not belong to the Family Section, but is in fact the Community Section. I hope I have clarified matters for you and you will now do the right thing by retracting your inaccurate statements on the other message board.

Thank you gents, I very rarely post anything serious, or even relating to football , but when I do I tend to have my facts straight first.

Exact cut & paste sent to me on the CCMB under the title 'FAO Splott-light RE The Trust'.

In fact here is the link: http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... sg_1779265

Never accuse me of shit stirring with unfounded rumour.



The following is an article I wrote about the Trust for the first issue of our magazine. Obviously, more has happened since this was written, but it might give you a flavour of what the Trust is all about:

Led by the government-backed Supporters Direct organisation, the supporters' trust movement has been steadily gathering momentum in recent years. There are now over 150 trusts in operation with more than 130,000 paid-up members throughout Britain. Clubs in the top two divisions whose fans are served by trusts include Manchester United, Arsenal, Aston Villa, Tottenham, Ipswich and Derby, while in Scotland followers of both Old Firm clubs have become a part of the movement. In Wales and the West almost all of the major clubs have active trusts, including Swansea, Newport, Wrexham, Plymouth, Bristol City and Bristol Rovers. In September 2008, a small but dedicated band of Bluebirds fans officially launched the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust. The following is the story of the Trust so far:

Back in November 2007, former Valley RAMS secretary Paul Corkrey called a meeting at the Municipal Club in Cardiff with a view to setting up a supporters' trust at Cardiff City. The idea certainly wasn't a new one; it had been discussed by Bluebirds fans at regular intervals down the years, but had never previously got off the ground. As a result of his involvement with the national Football Supporters' Federation, Corky, as Paul is better-known, had become aware of the good work being done by supporters' trusts at numerous other clubs up and down the country. Consequently, he felt City fans should attempt to form a trust of their own, especially as the Langston legal case was casting a dark shadow over Ninian Park at the time.

Twenty three people attended that first meeting and decided to investigate the possibility further. A fortnight later, more than fifty people attended a second meeting at the Lansdowne Hotel as the idea began to take shape. A steering group of volunteers was quickly formed and its members soon agreed on the main principles of the proposed trust. It was decided that the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust should be a democratic, non-profit making organisation that would be owned and run by the fans themselves. It was also agreed that the trust should be open, accountable, easily affordable, actively inclusive and fully representative of its membership.

The steering group decided the trust's primary short-term objectives should be to enter into a regular dialogue with Cardiff City officials on all of the issues that affect the fans in a bid to improve the relationship between the club and its supporters, and to work alongside the Bluebirds' staff in attempting to find ways to further develop the links between the club and the South Wales community an initiative that will hopefully help to increase the club's support throughout the region.

The longer-term aims were to raise enough money to buy a significant shareholding in the club and to promote the principle of supporter representation on the club's board of directors. It was felt that Cardiff City fans had been without a genuine voice for far too long, and it was hoped that the formation of an active and democratic trust would go a long way towards rectifying that situation.

The volunteers, who were based at the Duke of Clarence pub in Canton, organised themselves into working groups and began making arrangements for an open public meeting, which took place at the Welsh Institute of Sport in Sophia Gardens on the morning of the home game against Southampton in March 2008. The purpose of the meeting was to introduce the theory behind the supporters' trust movement with the help of guest speakers from Supporters Direct and the Saints Trust. More than a hundred City fans attended the event and they voted unanimously in favour of the formation of a trust, so it was all systems go from that point onwards.

The steering group spent the next few months working alongside Supporters Direct officials while drawing up the trust's constitution and membership details. Once those jobs had been completed, the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust became a legal entity in August 2008. The Trust was registered as an Industrial and Provident Society with the Financial Services Authority, and was given the formal title of the Cardiff City Supporters' Society Limited.

The official launch of the Trust was staged a month later at the Electricity Club in Pontcanna and it was a huge success. Around three hundred supporters attended the event and more than two thirds became Trust members on the night. The guests of honour were City legends Phil Dwyer, Jason Perry and Andy Legg, who signed up for the membership packages bearing their names. Fans were able to have their photos taken with the FA Cup, Jonathan Owen introduced a screening of his popular Cup final film, and BBC Radio Wales commentator Rob Phillips hosted a lively forum featuring former Premiership referee Keith Cooper, Western Mail journalist Steve Tucker, Supporters Direct official Kevin Rye and the three ex-players.

In October 2008, members of the Trust's steering group held their first formal meeting with Bluebirds Chairman Peter Ridsdale and Group Finance Director Alan Flitcroft. Topics discussed included the club's relationship with its supporters, seating arrangements and ticket prices at the new stadium, the Ninian Park End of an Era celebrations, away 'bubble' trips, a couple of anti-hooliganism initiatives and several community-related issues. As a direct result of concerns raised by Trust representatives during that initial meeting at Ninian, the club's officials reviewed and subsequently altered their plans in relation to the positioning of the Family Section at the new Cardiff City Stadium.

The Trust's first community event took place a few weeks later at Barry College, where City stars Eddie Johnson and Miguel Comminges joined steering group members Tracey Marsh and Mark Hooper for a questions and answers session with the college's football team. The players' visit was a part of the college's Black History Month celebrations an event which has been held annually in the USA since 1926 and is now held every October here in Britain. It was a great success and gained some excellent press coverage for both the club and the Trust.

In the first week of December, Trust members were invited by the club's officials to a special season ticket presentation at Ninian Park. Around sixty fans attended the event, which was hosted by Julian Jenkins, the club's Head of Customer Services and Ticketing. Peter Ridsdale, Alan Flitcroft and Stadium Manager Wayne Nash were also in attendance, and between them they were able to answer most of the supporters' questions about ticketing and seating issues at the new ground. During a very constructive meeting, Trust members were given a valuable preview of the excellent computer graphics the club later used to help fans choose their seats when the 2009/10 season tickets went on sale.

Early in the New Year, the steering group began preparing for the election of the Trust's first board of directors. Eleven members stood for the nine available positions on the board, and those elected after a postal ballot were: Paul Corkrey (Chairman), Tim Hartley (Vice Chairman), Martin Bale, David Craig, Tracey Marsh, Keith Morgan, Paul Russell, Dave Sugarman and Anthony Wedlake. Other members who are continuing to work for the Trust in various capacities following the elections include Geraint Jones (Secretary), Rob Keegan (Treasurer) and Phil Nifield (Press Officer).

The election results were announced to the membership during the Trust's first Annual General Meeting, which took place in the Canton Suite at Ninian Park in mid-April. While addressing the members, Chairman Paul Corkrey revealed the Trust had successfully completed the purchase of its first block of shares in the club. In a brief ceremony held in the Ninian boardroom, Acting Secretary Paul Russell handed over a cheque for £999.95 to Bluebirds chief Peter Ridsdale, who presented Paul with a certificate giving the Trust 2,857 ordinary shares in Cardiff City Football Club (Holdings) Limited. This significant step will enable the Trust to be officially represented at the company's next AGM, and also means that every Trust member is now a part-owner of the Bluebirds.

The Trust hit the headlines in June when members raised strong objections to the club's proposed pricing policy for the pre-season friendly matches against Celtic and Valencia. Following lengthy discussions with representatives of the Trust and the Cardiff City Supporters' Club, the football club's officials slashed the prices of tickets for both fixtures, and also reduced the cost of some of the food and beverages at the new stadium.

In July, the club's Group Finance Director, Alan Flitcroft, was the Trust's special guest during an open meeting at the Duke of Clarence. Around fifty fans attended the event and they were able to question Alan on a wide range of issues. Topics covered during an informative meeting included the away membership scheme, match day prices for the 2009/10 season, e-ticketing booking fees, the Langston loan notes debt, customer service levels and the club's lack of marketing initiatives.

As you may have read in the South Wales press, the Trust is spearheading the Fred Keenor Memorial Campaign. Trust member Mike Inker drew up an on-line petition in late-2007 with a view to gauging interest in the idea of having a statue erected in honour of City's legendary FA Cup-winning captain. After more than a thousand fans had signed his petition, Mike approached the Trust's steering group and asked for help. A Fred Keenor Memorial sub-committee was set up and the campaign quickly took off after receiving backing from the South Wales Echo. Twenty volunteers from the Trust, including Fred's nephew, Graham Keenor, went out onto the streets around Ninian Park before the Easter Monday victory over Burnley and managed to add a further five thousand signatures to the petition.

Three accomplished local sculptors have been invited by the Trust to tender for the job of creating the Fred Keenor statue. They are Roger Andrews, who hails from Llantwit Major and is currently producing the statue of Sir Tasker Watkins which will stand outside the Millennium Stadium; Cardiff-based James Done, who created the tributes to comedian Tommy Cooper in Caerphilly and boxer Johnny Owen in Merthyr Tydfil; and Michael Field, also of Cardiff, who produced the statue of Ivor Allchurch which stands outside Swansea's Liberty Stadium.

The three sculptors have been asked to submit their ideas and prices by the end of September. They have also been requested to create a maquette, which is a small-scale model of their proposed design. As soon as the costs have been established and one of the sculptors has been awarded the contract, the Trust will present its petition to the Cardiff Council in a bid to gain financial support and planning assistance. The Welsh Assembly Government, Cardiff City Football Club and businesses in the South Wales area will then be asked for their backing, and a public fundraising appeal will also be launched.

A location for the proposed statue has yet to be finalised but the most likely site is within the grounds of the Cardiff City Stadium. In a further boost to the campaign, which is being managed by board member David Craig, the Trust has recently been given permission by the Football Association to use the image of the FA Cup in the proposed statue.




I've highlighted the piece of text that I was refering to.

In short. The club wanted to put the Family Section next to the away fans and some Trust members (there wasnt a Trust board at the time), including myself met the club to talk about a few items. We strongly put it to the club that it was a mistake to lay the ground out as it was and were told that they couldnt do anything about it as the safety Adisory Group, and in particular the police had insisted on it to give us the license.

After further meetings the club relented and moved the family Scetion over 2 blocks away from the away fans.

THAT is what the statement is talking about.

AT NO POINT did the club EVER consider putting the families in the Canton, which I beleive has cost the club revenue, but thats another story.
So please just drop the accusation because its rubbish.

it is indeed

totally incorrect statement by splott which was removed

here is what you wrote this weekend on this messageboard

" the reason for the family stand being next to the away fans is DOWN TO A RECOMMENDATION PUT FORWARD by the SUPPORTERS TRUST ......THE TRUST HAS SINGLE HANDEDLY KILLED THE ATMOSPHERE AT THE NEW STADIUM "

totally incorrect


the trust didnt put forward this suggestion

and the trust didnt single handedly ruin the atmosphere at the new stadium


the family section is NOT next to the away fans ...its the COMMUNITY section
but surleuy that wat this forum is about to discus and sometimes argue about your points of view
it would be a boring board if only certain things are allowed to be put on here to discus deleting threads
is getting a bit ott at the moment

those are the facts splott

Thank you gents, I very rarely post anything serious, or even relating to football , but when I do I tend to have my facts straight first.

well you aint this time

here is what you wrote this weekend on this messageboard

" the reason for the family stand being next to the away fans is DOWN TO A RECOMMENDATION PUT FORWARD by the SUPPORTERS TRUST ......THE TRUST HAS SINGLE HANDEDLY KILLED THE ATMOSPHERE AT THE NEW STADIUM "

totally incorrect


the trust didnt put forward this suggestion

and the trust didnt single handedly ruin the atmosphere at the new stadium


the family section is NOT next to the away fans ...its the COMMUNITY section
but surleuy that wat this forum is about to discus and sometimes argue about your points of view
it would be a boring board if only certain things are allowed to be put on here to discus deleting threads
is getting a bit ott at the moment

those are the facts splott

here is what you wrote this weekend on this messageboard

" the reason for the family stand being next to the away fans is DOWN TO A RECOMMENDATION PUT FORWARD by the SUPPORTERS TRUST ......THE TRUST HAS SINGLE HANDEDLY KILLED THE ATMOSPHERE AT THE NEW STADIUM "

totally incorrect


the trust didnt put forward this suggestion

and the trust didnt single handedly ruin the atmosphere at the new stadium


the family section is NOT next to the away fans ...its the COMMUNITY section
but surleuy that wat this forum is about to discus and sometimes argue about your points of view
it would be a boring board if only certain things are allowed to be put on here to discus deleting threads
is getting a bit ott at the moment

those are the facts splott

Exact cut & paste sent to me on the CCMB under the title 'FAO Splott-light RE The Trust'.

In fact here is the link: http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... sg_1779265

Never accuse me of shit stirring with unfounded rumour.



The following is an article I wrote about the Trust for the first issue of our magazine. Obviously, more has happened since this was written, but it might give you a flavour of what the Trust is all about:

Led by the government-backed Supporters Direct organisation, the supporters' trust movement has been steadily gathering momentum in recent years. There are now over 150 trusts in operation with more than 130,000 paid-up members throughout Britain. Clubs in the top two divisions whose fans are served by trusts include Manchester United, Arsenal, Aston Villa, Tottenham, Ipswich and Derby, while in Scotland followers of both Old Firm clubs have become a part of the movement. In Wales and the West almost all of the major clubs have active trusts, including Swansea, Newport, Wrexham, Plymouth, Bristol City and Bristol Rovers. In September 2008, a small but dedicated band of Bluebirds fans officially launched the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust. The following is the story of the Trust so far:

Back in November 2007, former Valley RAMS secretary Paul Corkrey called a meeting at the Municipal Club in Cardiff with a view to setting up a supporters' trust at Cardiff City. The idea certainly wasn't a new one; it had been discussed by Bluebirds fans at regular intervals down the years, but had never previously got off the ground. As a result of his involvement with the national Football Supporters' Federation, Corky, as Paul is better-known, had become aware of the good work being done by supporters' trusts at numerous other clubs up and down the country. Consequently, he felt City fans should attempt to form a trust of their own, especially as the Langston legal case was casting a dark shadow over Ninian Park at the time.

Twenty three people attended that first meeting and decided to investigate the possibility further. A fortnight later, more than fifty people attended a second meeting at the Lansdowne Hotel as the idea began to take shape. A steering group of volunteers was quickly formed and its members soon agreed on the main principles of the proposed trust. It was decided that the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust should be a democratic, non-profit making organisation that would be owned and run by the fans themselves. It was also agreed that the trust should be open, accountable, easily affordable, actively inclusive and fully representative of its membership.

The steering group decided the trust's primary short-term objectives should be to enter into a regular dialogue with Cardiff City officials on all of the issues that affect the fans in a bid to improve the relationship between the club and its supporters, and to work alongside the Bluebirds' staff in attempting to find ways to further develop the links between the club and the South Wales community an initiative that will hopefully help to increase the club's support throughout the region.

The longer-term aims were to raise enough money to buy a significant shareholding in the club and to promote the principle of supporter representation on the club's board of directors. It was felt that Cardiff City fans had been without a genuine voice for far too long, and it was hoped that the formation of an active and democratic trust would go a long way towards rectifying that situation.

The volunteers, who were based at the Duke of Clarence pub in Canton, organised themselves into working groups and began making arrangements for an open public meeting, which took place at the Welsh Institute of Sport in Sophia Gardens on the morning of the home game against Southampton in March 2008. The purpose of the meeting was to introduce the theory behind the supporters' trust movement with the help of guest speakers from Supporters Direct and the Saints Trust. More than a hundred City fans attended the event and they voted unanimously in favour of the formation of a trust, so it was all systems go from that point onwards.

The steering group spent the next few months working alongside Supporters Direct officials while drawing up the trust's constitution and membership details. Once those jobs had been completed, the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust became a legal entity in August 2008. The Trust was registered as an Industrial and Provident Society with the Financial Services Authority, and was given the formal title of the Cardiff City Supporters' Society Limited.

The official launch of the Trust was staged a month later at the Electricity Club in Pontcanna and it was a huge success. Around three hundred supporters attended the event and more than two thirds became Trust members on the night. The guests of honour were City legends Phil Dwyer, Jason Perry and Andy Legg, who signed up for the membership packages bearing their names. Fans were able to have their photos taken with the FA Cup, Jonathan Owen introduced a screening of his popular Cup final film, and BBC Radio Wales commentator Rob Phillips hosted a lively forum featuring former Premiership referee Keith Cooper, Western Mail journalist Steve Tucker, Supporters Direct official Kevin Rye and the three ex-players.

In October 2008, members of the Trust's steering group held their first formal meeting with Bluebirds Chairman Peter Ridsdale and Group Finance Director Alan Flitcroft. Topics discussed included the club's relationship with its supporters, seating arrangements and ticket prices at the new stadium, the Ninian Park End of an Era celebrations, away 'bubble' trips, a couple of anti-hooliganism initiatives and several community-related issues. As a direct result of concerns raised by Trust representatives during that initial meeting at Ninian, the club's officials reviewed and subsequently altered their plans in relation to the positioning of the Family Section at the new Cardiff City Stadium.

The Trust's first community event took place a few weeks later at Barry College, where City stars Eddie Johnson and Miguel Comminges joined steering group members Tracey Marsh and Mark Hooper for a questions and answers session with the college's football team. The players' visit was a part of the college's Black History Month celebrations an event which has been held annually in the USA since 1926 and is now held every October here in Britain. It was a great success and gained some excellent press coverage for both the club and the Trust.

In the first week of December, Trust members were invited by the club's officials to a special season ticket presentation at Ninian Park. Around sixty fans attended the event, which was hosted by Julian Jenkins, the club's Head of Customer Services and Ticketing. Peter Ridsdale, Alan Flitcroft and Stadium Manager Wayne Nash were also in attendance, and between them they were able to answer most of the supporters' questions about ticketing and seating issues at the new ground. During a very constructive meeting, Trust members were given a valuable preview of the excellent computer graphics the club later used to help fans choose their seats when the 2009/10 season tickets went on sale.

Early in the New Year, the steering group began preparing for the election of the Trust's first board of directors. Eleven members stood for the nine available positions on the board, and those elected after a postal ballot were: Paul Corkrey (Chairman), Tim Hartley (Vice Chairman), Martin Bale, David Craig, Tracey Marsh, Keith Morgan, Paul Russell, Dave Sugarman and Anthony Wedlake. Other members who are continuing to work for the Trust in various capacities following the elections include Geraint Jones (Secretary), Rob Keegan (Treasurer) and Phil Nifield (Press Officer).

The election results were announced to the membership during the Trust's first Annual General Meeting, which took place in the Canton Suite at Ninian Park in mid-April. While addressing the members, Chairman Paul Corkrey revealed the Trust had successfully completed the purchase of its first block of shares in the club. In a brief ceremony held in the Ninian boardroom, Acting Secretary Paul Russell handed over a cheque for £999.95 to Bluebirds chief Peter Ridsdale, who presented Paul with a certificate giving the Trust 2,857 ordinary shares in Cardiff City Football Club (Holdings) Limited. This significant step will enable the Trust to be officially represented at the company's next AGM, and also means that every Trust member is now a part-owner of the Bluebirds.

The Trust hit the headlines in June when members raised strong objections to the club's proposed pricing policy for the pre-season friendly matches against Celtic and Valencia. Following lengthy discussions with representatives of the Trust and the Cardiff City Supporters' Club, the football club's officials slashed the prices of tickets for both fixtures, and also reduced the cost of some of the food and beverages at the new stadium.

In July, the club's Group Finance Director, Alan Flitcroft, was the Trust's special guest during an open meeting at the Duke of Clarence. Around fifty fans attended the event and they were able to question Alan on a wide range of issues. Topics covered during an informative meeting included the away membership scheme, match day prices for the 2009/10 season, e-ticketing booking fees, the Langston loan notes debt, customer service levels and the club's lack of marketing initiatives.

As you may have read in the South Wales press, the Trust is spearheading the Fred Keenor Memorial Campaign. Trust member Mike Inker drew up an on-line petition in late-2007 with a view to gauging interest in the idea of having a statue erected in honour of City's legendary FA Cup-winning captain. After more than a thousand fans had signed his petition, Mike approached the Trust's steering group and asked for help. A Fred Keenor Memorial sub-committee was set up and the campaign quickly took off after receiving backing from the South Wales Echo. Twenty volunteers from the Trust, including Fred's nephew, Graham Keenor, went out onto the streets around Ninian Park before the Easter Monday victory over Burnley and managed to add a further five thousand signatures to the petition.

Three accomplished local sculptors have been invited by the Trust to tender for the job of creating the Fred Keenor statue. They are Roger Andrews, who hails from Llantwit Major and is currently producing the statue of Sir Tasker Watkins which will stand outside the Millennium Stadium; Cardiff-based James Done, who created the tributes to comedian Tommy Cooper in Caerphilly and boxer Johnny Owen in Merthyr Tydfil; and Michael Field, also of Cardiff, who produced the statue of Ivor Allchurch which stands outside Swansea's Liberty Stadium.

The three sculptors have been asked to submit their ideas and prices by the end of September. They have also been requested to create a maquette, which is a small-scale model of their proposed design. As soon as the costs have been established and one of the sculptors has been awarded the contract, the Trust will present its petition to the Cardiff Council in a bid to gain financial support and planning assistance. The Welsh Assembly Government, Cardiff City Football Club and businesses in the South Wales area will then be asked for their backing, and a public fundraising appeal will also be launched.

A location for the proposed statue has yet to be finalised but the most likely site is within the grounds of the Cardiff City Stadium. In a further boost to the campaign, which is being managed by board member David Craig, the Trust has recently been given permission by the Football Association to use the image of the FA Cup in the proposed statue.




I've highlighted the piece of text that I was refering to.

In short. The club wanted to put the Family Section next to the away fans and some Trust members (there wasnt a Trust board at the time), including myself met the club to talk about a few items. We strongly put it to the club that it was a mistake to lay the ground out as it was and were told that they couldnt do anything about it as the safety Adisory Group, and in particular the police had insisted on it to give us the license.

After further meetings the club relented and moved the family Scetion over 2 blocks away from the away fans.

THAT is what the statement is talking about.

AT NO POINT did the club EVER consider putting the families in the Canton, which I beleive has cost the club revenue, but thats another story.
So please just drop the accusation because its rubbish.

If true then i'll hold my hand up, but as I am not a Trust member i'm not privvy to know the goings on at the club or the decisions the club makes on my behalf through meetings with The Trust, it would appear that unless you enroll as part of the 'secret mailing society' you are not aware of what's going on.

But hey, if i'm wrong then i'm wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RTc32qBpAk

I always said moving the Community Section killed the atmosphere at CCS