Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:57 am
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Forever Blue wrote:FB
John Coleman:
What a pity they didn't mention an important fact: IT HAPPENED AT 7PM! In my opinion, no Cardiff should be in court for this. Those Villa scum should've been back in Brum by that time. I left the pub around 6.20, to catch my train home and there were a few City, some locals and a dog sleeping on the floor. Every one of those Villa in that minibus should be done, otherwise don't bother and let it go. Justice, my arse.
Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:57 pm
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:41 pm
Forever Blue wrote: One Cardiff lad acquitted rightly so aswell
Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:44 pm
TheHangedMan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:One Cardiff lad acquitted rightly so aswell
Good news, they should all be acquitted IMO, except the Villa scum of course.
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:39 pm
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:41 pm
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:46 pm
Forever Blue wrote:TheHangedMan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1 Cardiff lad acquitted rightly so aswell
Good news, they should all be acquitted IMO, except the Villa scum of course.
Jim, 100% correct Cardiff were in their local pub, Villa came there in the evening looking for trouble attacked it, so your suppose to defend yourself surely.
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:48 pm
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:49 pm
TERRYB wrote:Forever Blue wrote:TheHangedMan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1 Cardiff lad acquitted rightly so aswell
Good news, they should all be acquitted IMO, except the Villa scum of course.
Jim, 100% correct Cardiff were in their local pub, Villa came there in the evening looking for trouble attacked it, so your suppose to defend yourself surely.
If you go to a Cardiff Pub at 7pm two hours after the final whistle as rival fans
you have done so as a pre planned attack thinking that most of the Cardiff lads will have already gone home. If they really fancied their chances they should have turned up when the pub was full but they wouldn't do that would they? Scum. Hope all the City lads get off free.
Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:51 pm
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:29 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:I think that there are certain pubs and places to avoid in all common sense. Perhaps this shouldn't be so, but it is in reality. I can assure you that in other circumstances I would be working for an acquittal , probably successfully , but I would also have been advising the clients to think carefully in future about being cautious of putting a target on their back.
In a perfect world it would be possible for football fans to congregate in a pub with other supporters and have fun celebrating or regretting a game, just as it would for someone to walk down Railton Road in Brixton wearing a Swiss watch or carrying an iPad. However, we know that in the real world certain perfectly lawful and reasonable acts can put us in particular danger.
Of course, we can hardly tell these people that they've done anything wrong by lingering in that pub on a match day, but whether we like it or not, we could anticipate the dangers of doing so.
This is particularly so in a society where defending yourself is generally frowned upon by the liberal elite who now comprise such a part of the establishment and judiciary. Very very many years ago I was in Newcastle on a weekend pass with some other soldiers on a day when they were playing Arsenal. We didn't know that - we'd gone to watch the new Peter Sellars film and randomly picked a pub which turned out to be the Newcastle football punch up venue. We all had very short hair and were of an age group and probably loud demeanour which led the locals to think that we were Arsenal fans come to taunt them. In due course we were attacked by what they'd expected to be an overwhelming number of arseholes wielding bottles , glasses and various other weapons . Well, it didn't go that well for them as it turned out and when the local police turned up with dogs and riot helmets they found it now perfectly calm except for a few of the attackers with fairly nasty injuries and a lot of damage .
Now, the reason I tell this tale is because it's very pertinent to what I'm saying here. Although a few of the attackers had various things broken and one of them had unfortunately somehow cut his face on the broken glass he had, the police knew the individuals and found it all very amusing if anything. No one got arrested and I think the attitude was that they'd asked for everything they got . My point is, though, that this would not happen today, would it ?
As you report it here, these defendants were the ones who were attacked and this seems plausible to me because they had obviously not gone to the place to attack Aston Villa fans since they would not have known that they would be there, but the Aston Villa people clearly targeted a location where they might expect to encounter rival fans. In the world of common sense which we used to live in then, the outcome would have been similar to the one in my account of yesteryear in Geordie Land.
My point therefore is that no one regrets the loss of our traditional sense of proportion, justice and plain common sense than I , but we are now stranded in this slightly insane time and space where discretion and logic are nothing but a distant memory and if we are to survive in this society with its topsy turvey realities and moralities, then we must adapt our behaviour and activities so as not to be punished for acts which would be considered quite natural and reasonable in a Christian Democracy.
Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:42 pm
Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:10 pm
Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:29 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Rhodri Jones, 28, from Cardiff, who was represented by Matthew Cobbe, denied violent disorder. Prosecutors offered no evidence against him and he was discharged
Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:53 pm
TheHangedMan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Rhodri Jones, 28, from Cardiff, who was represented by Matthew Cobbe, denied violent disorder. Prosecutors offered no evidence against him and he was discharged
But this is the frustrating thing, why did the CPS bring this case to court in the 1st place? This is our money they are wasting FFS. not to mention what the defendant had to fork out for a brief. Ludicrous......
Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:07 am
pembroke allan wrote:Lasted 5 mins!! No one hurt yet plod spent thousands of ££££s many man hours for this plus court time 2wks Shows where their priorities lie...... if this as a sat night no footy involved doubt if anything would be done other than spot fine for disturbing the peace., and people are correct city fans should not be on trial law still stuck in the 80s
Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:04 am
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:10 am
stan106 wrote:I wish they'd mention the time - it's crucial as it shows that the Villa fans were hanging around looking to attack the pub rather than just going home
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:13 am
Forever Blue wrote:stan106 wrote:I wish they'd mention the time - it's crucial as it shows that the Villa fans were hanging around looking to attack the pub rather than just going home
Very very crucial the time
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:22 am
AV3 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:stan106 wrote:I wish they'd mention the time - it's crucial as it shows that the Villa fans were hanging around looking to attack the pub rather than just going home
Very very crucial the time
Why is it?
If the incident had happened at any other time would it have made any difference?
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:32 am
Forever Blue wrote:AV3 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:stan106 wrote:I wish they'd mention the time - it's crucial as it shows that the Villa fans were hanging around looking to attack the pub rather than just going home
Very very crucial the time
Why is it?
If the incident had happened at any other time would it have made any difference?
7pm, means that 99% of Cardiff fans would have already gone home and for me its outside football time.
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:02 am