Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:33 am
psw78 wrote:Talk of Warnock going is absurd - remember where we were two years ago both on and off the field.
Anybody that expected anything other than a relegation fight this season needs to manage their expectations - we’ve had a crazily difficult start playing the current top 6 in our first 8 games, with 5 of those being the ‘traditional big 6’.
Whilst we haven’t got the results, the performances for the most part have been decent - I’ve seen enough to believe that if we can keep the level of performance, become a bit more clinical and get a bit of luck we can start turning those performances into points and wins.
Did we under invest in the summer? Depends what the strategy was. Had Warnock got everything right - absolutely not. However we are where we are with the squad and I can’t think of a single manager (who would come to us) who would do a better job of getting players to perform above their level and on that basis he gives us the best chance of staying up - and if we do go down, he is surely the best person to bring us back up - this time with more quality at his disposal.
Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:37 am
Kingyccfc wrote:psw78 wrote:Talk of Warnock going is absurd - remember where we were two years ago both on and off the field.
Anybody that expected anything other than a relegation fight this season needs to manage their expectations - we’ve had a crazily difficult start playing the current top 6 in our first 8 games, with 5 of those being the ‘traditional big 6’.
Whilst we haven’t got the results, the performances for the most part have been decent - I’ve seen enough to believe that if we can keep the level of performance, become a bit more clinical and get a bit of luck we can start turning those performances into points and wins.
Did we under invest in the summer? Depends what the strategy was. Had Warnock got everything right - absolutely not. However we are where we are with the squad and I can’t think of a single manager (who would come to us) who would do a better job of getting players to perform above their level and on that basis he gives us the best chance of staying up - and if we do go down, he is surely the best person to bring us back up - this time with more quality at his disposal.
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I didn't expect anything other than a relegation fight this season. I'm just saying I believe Tan doesn't rate Warnock at this level. He has not given him a chance. I would love it if Warnock achieved safety, but we all know it ain't gonna happen. All this talk of bouncing back like Burnley and what Wba used to do is not really a strong plan. We need to be strong now whilst we are here not next year and not come back for years.
Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:26 am
Mr Shed wrote:Vincent Tan would be a fool to get rid of Warnock. The best manager this club has had in decades. Whatever happens this season, there is a much better atmosphere around the club now. There is no one that fits this club and what it stands for than Neil Warnock.
We'll be lucky to stay up, but im ok with that. We win either way.
Stay up, we strengthen and aim higher next season.
Go down, we are financially better off and have a crackin championship squad.
Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:40 am
Kingyccfc wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:Tan didn’t trust Warnock with his money. A higher profile manager would of had double the amount, that is in no doubt in my opinion.
And in my opinion your talking bollox.A higher profile manager be fucked that will want alot more money with no guarantees yes I can see them queing up now.Your opinion is based on hearsay bullshite as you don't know what Tan is thinking.[/
Why do you think he didn't give him much to spend? He doesn't rate him or trust his top flight experience. The guy is loaded and he could of easily given more. Tan has already put the wheels in motion for Warnock's departure. It's obvious to see Tan doesn't rate good old Neil. He knows he has made a mistake here and should of said thank you as soon as warnock said he doesn't like the premier League. He knows his limitations as a manager and right now he's proving it.
Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:53 am
dogfound wrote:
I have never understood this..
if you turned up tomorrow with an acceptable offer lets say 100 mill you believe the debts would remain.?
I don't because they are not third party debts
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:22 am
Sven wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:Tan didn’t trust Warnock with his money. A higher profile manager would of had double the amount, that is in no doubt in my opinion.
And in my opinion your talking bollox.A higher profile manager be fucked that will want alot more money with no guarantees yes I can see them queing up now.Your opinion is based on hearsay bullshite as you don't know what Tan is thinking.[/
Why do you think he didn't give him much to spend? He doesn't rate him or trust his top flight experience. The guy is loaded and he could of easily given more. Tan has already put the wheels in motion for Warnock's departure. It's obvious to see Tan doesn't rate good old Neil. He knows he has made a mistake here and should of said thank you as soon as warnock said he doesn't like the premier League. He knows his limitations as a manager and right now he's proving it.
Are you for real?
You state the above like it's irrefutable fact but it simply isn't! You don't know any more than most other people on this forum and/or outside the inner sanctum of the club itself!
Using profanity and (weakly) attempting to 'bully' others into accepting your fractured views (that's all they are) has made you look a bit daft, tbh!
Your contradictory tone is emphasised in your next post (quote) "I'm just saying I believe Tan doesn't rate Warnock at this level" where you clearly state you don't factually know...!
We all have opinions and won't always agree; but peddling your 'opinions' as 'fact' does you no credit!
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:31 am
Kingyccfc wrote:Sven wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:Tan didn’t trust Warnock with his money. A higher profile manager would of had double the amount, that is in no doubt in my opinion.
And in my opinion your talking bollox.A higher profile manager be fucked that will want alot more money with no guarantees yes I can see them queing up now.Your opinion is based on hearsay bullshite as you don't know what Tan is thinking.[/
Why do you think he didn't give him much to spend? He doesn't rate him or trust his top flight experience. The guy is loaded and he could of easily given more. Tan has already put the wheels in motion for Warnock's departure. It's obvious to see Tan doesn't rate good old Neil. He knows he has made a mistake here and should of said thank you as soon as warnock said he doesn't like the premier League. He knows his limitations as a manager and right now he's proving it.
Are you for real?
You state the above like it's irrefutable fact but it simply isn't! You don't know any more than most other people on this forum and/or outside the inner sanctum of the club itself!
Using profanity and (weakly) attempting to 'bully' others into accepting your fractured views (that's all they are) has made you look a bit daft, tbh!
Your contradictory tone is emphasised in your next post (quote) "I'm just saying I believe Tan doesn't rate Warnock at this level" where you clearly state you don't factually know...!
We all have opinions and won't always agree; but peddling your 'opinions' as 'fact' does you no credit!
The number one fact is we are rock bottom of the league and no where near strong enough. Why is that?
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:01 pm
Kingyccfc wrote:Sven wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:Tan didn’t trust Warnock with his money. A higher profile manager would of had double the amount, that is in no doubt in my opinion.
And in my opinion your talking bollox.A higher profile manager be fucked that will want alot more money with no guarantees yes I can see them queing up now.Your opinion is based on hearsay bullshite as you don't know what Tan is thinking.[/
Why do you think he didn't give him much to spend? He doesn't rate him or trust his top flight experience. The guy is loaded and he could of easily given more. Tan has already put the wheels in motion for Warnock's departure. It's obvious to see Tan doesn't rate good old Neil. He knows he has made a mistake here and should of said thank you as soon as warnock said he doesn't like the premier League. He knows his limitations as a manager and right now he's proving it.
Are you for real?
You state the above like it's irrefutable fact but it simply isn't! You don't know any more than most other people on this forum and/or outside the inner sanctum of the club itself!
Using profanity and (weakly) attempting to 'bully' others into accepting your fractured views (that's all they are) has made you look a bit daft, tbh!
Your contradictory tone is emphasised in your next post (quote) "I'm just saying I believe Tan doesn't rate Warnock at this level" where you clearly state you don't factually know...!
We all have opinions and won't always agree; but peddling your 'opinions' as 'fact' does you no credit!
The number one fact is we are rock bottom of the league and no where near strong enough. Why is that?
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:33 pm
Sven wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:Sven wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:Tan didn’t trust Warnock with his money. A higher profile manager would of had double the amount, that is in no doubt in my opinion.
And in my opinion your talking bollox.A higher profile manager be fucked that will want alot more money with no guarantees yes I can see them queing up now.Your opinion is based on hearsay bullshite as you don't know what Tan is thinking.[/
Why do you think he didn't give him much to spend? He doesn't rate him or trust his top flight experience. The guy is loaded and he could of easily given more. Tan has already put the wheels in motion for Warnock's departure. It's obvious to see Tan doesn't rate good old Neil. He knows he has made a mistake here and should of said thank you as soon as warnock said he doesn't like the premier League. He knows his limitations as a manager and right now he's proving it.
Are you for real?
You state the above like it's irrefutable fact but it simply isn't! You don't know any more than most other people on this forum and/or outside the inner sanctum of the club itself!
Using profanity and (weakly) attempting to 'bully' others into accepting your fractured views (that's all they are) has made you look a bit daft, tbh!
Your contradictory tone is emphasised in your next post (quote) "I'm just saying I believe Tan doesn't rate Warnock at this level" where you clearly state you don't factually know...!
We all have opinions and won't always agree; but peddling your 'opinions' as 'fact' does you no credit!
The number one fact is we are rock bottom of the league and no where near strong enough. Why is that?
That is a fact...but wasn't my point and you know it!
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:17 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:dogfound wrote:
I have never understood this..
if you turned up tomorrow with an acceptable offer lets say 100 mill you believe the debts would remain.?
I don't because they are not third party debts
It would depend on the Terms and Conditions of the Sale. If the club was sold as a going concern then yes the new owners would become liable for the debts, like Tan was for Langston.
Another scenario is the new owners could insist before buying that the debts were settled or the asking price was reduced by the amount of debt
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:33 pm
Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:24 am
Nuclearblue wrote:Fook me a clueless post. No manager with this squad would turn them into a mid table team. Look if it wasn’t for Warnock brilliance last season any other manager would of got us mid table.
Any new manager would have to break up this squad and start again. If we go down Warnock would improve this squad and he would be the one to get us back up and we would be more prepared then. For this we need Warnock to stay. What we going to do get another OGS ?
Look we are a post turtle what’s that I hear you ask ?
Well you are driving down a country lane and you see a turtle on a post and you would think what’s he doing up there ?
The Turtle ain’t got a clue how he got up there. And now he is up there he hasn’t a clue what to do next, but he does know sooner rather than later he will fall off.
Just enjoy the ride this Season and stop bitching about Warnock. You are clearly in the minority.
In Warnock we trust
Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:45 am
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Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:42 pm
bluemun wrote:Warnock failed to sign a striker when it was patently obvious we needed one. He persisted with retaining Madine because he had signed him. He's done an absolutely fantastic job keeping us up then taking us up, but sadly the time has come. If we don't change things then the January window will be pointless anyway.
Our style is completely unsuited to the Premier league. To get the best out of our players, especially Camarasa, Murphy and Reid, that has to change.
We're bottom and have the worst start to a season for 50 years. With a worse team, Malky did better.
Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:07 pm
Kingyccfc wrote:Promotion specialists won’t keep us in this division. My comments could look harsh or even rubbish to others,but as soon as Warnock said he didn’t like managing in the top flight then I knew he wasn’t the right person for the job.
No I don’t know what the owner thinks.
No I don’t know what the board thinks
No I don’t know what the players think.
What I do know is we are rock bottom of the league and on course for a really low points total.
Warnock is an honest and decent guy. He has done an excellent job getting us up, but just like players get released when deemed unsuitable for promotion, then what should prevent managers being put under such scrutiny also.
I believe blind loyalty to managers Is a way of creating acceptance for failure.
Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:10 pm
psw78 wrote:bluemun wrote:Warnock failed to sign a striker when it was patently obvious we needed one. He persisted with retaining Madine because he had signed him. He's done an absolutely fantastic job keeping us up then taking us up, but sadly the time has come. If we don't change things then the January window will be pointless anyway.
Our style is completely unsuited to the Premier league. To get the best out of our players, especially Camarasa, Murphy and Reid, that has to change.
We're bottom and have the worst start to a season for 50 years. With a worse team, Malky did better.
Why is our style unsuited? Teams like Stoke survived for years playing an even more direct game and arguably we were far less of a footballing side last time we were here - what style should we be playing given the players that we have?
I agree that it is a huge failure that the club didn’t sort the striker positions out - too much faith has been put in Ken, but less than 2 seasons ago, people wouldn’t have sold him for less than £10m. I think most would now say £5m would now be a great price for us to get.
As I said in a previous post, the start we’ve had has been brutal - we’ve played the current top 6 teams and 5 of those are the ‘traditional big 6’. We had 5 points after 8 games last time, but we had only played 3 of the big 6 - Chelsea, Spurs and Man City- and two of the teams that went down with us (might prove to be the case again).
Warnock was the right man at the start of the season and he remains so - except for a couple of games, we’ve been in every one. My hope is that the players keep their heads up and start to see some rewards for the performances in more ‘winnable’ games between now and Christmas - and if there is one person that can have this group believing in themselves it is Warnock.
Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:58 pm
dogfound wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:Promotion specialists won’t keep us in this division. My comments could look harsh or even rubbish to others,but as soon as Warnock said he didn’t like managing in the top flight then I knew he wasn’t the right person for the job.
No I don’t know what the owner thinks.
No I don’t know what the board thinks
No I don’t know what the players think.
What I do know is we are rock bottom of the league and on course for a really low points total.
Warnock is an honest and decent guy. He has done an excellent job getting us up, but just like players get released when deemed unsuitable for promotion, then what should prevent managers being put under such scrutiny also.
I believe blind loyalty to managers Is a way of creating acceptance for failure.
i have questions too..and do not think loyalty should be blind either..
but im also realistic , had we employed big sam/moyes/pardew at start of summer,spent the same..bookies and pundits would still have predicted Cardiff City 20th..
as for the rather concerning remark at the begining of your post { i also thought it at the time }..3things..
1st....he played promotion down from start to finish last season..maybe to much..but this doesnt like the prem was probably just part of that..
2nd..nobody was in a better position to make sure we just miss out ..
3rd..if he really doesn't like it why not just say job done and move on citing the prem is not for him and wanting a 9th promotion..
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:23 pm
Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:20 pm
psw78 wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:psw78 wrote:Talk of Warnock going is absurd - remember where we were two years ago both on and off the field.
Anybody that expected anything other than a relegation fight this season needs to manage their expectations - we’ve had a crazily difficult start playing the current top 6 in our first 8 games, with 5 of those being the ‘traditional big 6’.
Whilst we haven’t got the results, the performances for the most part have been decent - I’ve seen enough to believe that if we can keep the level of performance, become a bit more clinical and get a bit of luck we can start turning those performances into points and wins.
Did we under invest in the summer? Depends what the strategy was. Had Warnock got everything right - absolutely not. However we are where we are with the squad and I can’t think of a single manager (who would come to us) who would do a better job of getting players to perform above their level and on that basis he gives us the best chance of staying up - and if we do go down, he is surely the best person to bring us back up - this time with more quality at his disposal.
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I didn't expect anything other than a relegation fight this season. I'm just saying I believe Tan doesn't rate Warnock at this level. He has not given him a chance. I would love it if Warnock achieved safety, but we all know it ain't gonna happen. All this talk of bouncing back like Burnley and what Wba used to do is not really a strong plan. We need to be strong now whilst we are here not next year and not come back for years.
Like I said it depends on the strategy they set when planning so we don’t know Tan hasn’t backed Warnock - he might have fully backed him against the plan that they agreed on. Warnock has openly said they expected to get a player for £6m and he went to Bournemouth for £25m.
My thought is that they looked at what it would cost to ‘guarantee saftey’, realised it would have taken an insane amount of cash (surely in excess of £150m) and then took the long term view to build rather than gamble - with the hope that we might stay up, but the expectation that if we don’t we are setting the club on a much sounder financial footing from which to build...they have often referred to the Burnley model as the yard stick.
Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:13 pm
Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:27 pm
NyeBluebird wrote:We do not have an abundance of income, and there's only so much Tan can provide to the club under FFP regulations.
Think people need to realise we're not a big club. When we're in our 'rightful' place of the Championship we get crowds similar to that of Ipswich, who've been in the second tier for 19 of the previous 21 seasons.
Just enjoy watching the elite players come to Cardiff without our club's future being gambled with, or we could end up being the next Portsmouth.
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:01 pm
Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:37 pm
psw78 wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:psw78 wrote:Talk of Warnock going is absurd - remember where we were two years ago both on and off the field.
Anybody that expected anything other than a relegation fight this season needs to manage their expectations - we’ve had a crazily difficult start playing the current top 6 in our first 8 games, with 5 of those being the ‘traditional big 6’.
Whilst we haven’t got the results, the performances for the most part have been decent - I’ve seen enough to believe that if we can keep the level of performance, become a bit more clinical and get a bit of luck we can start turning those performances into points and wins.
Did we under invest in the summer? Depends what the strategy was. Had Warnock got everything right - absolutely not. However we are where we are with the squad and I can’t think of a single manager (who would come to us) who would do a better job of getting players to perform above their level and on that basis he gives us the best chance of staying up - and if we do go down, he is surely the best person to bring us back up - this time with more quality at his disposal.
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I didn't expect anything other than a relegation fight this season. I'm just saying I believe Tan doesn't rate Warnock at this level. He has not given him a chance. I would love it if Warnock achieved safety, but we all know it ain't gonna happen. All this talk of bouncing back like Burnley and what Wba used to do is not really a strong plan. We need to be strong now whilst we are here not next year and not come back for years.
Like I said it depends on the strategy they set when planning so we don’t know Tan hasn’t backed Warnock - he might have fully backed him against the plan that they agreed on. Warnock has openly said they expected to get a player for £6m and he went to Bournemouth for £25m.
My thought is that they looked at what it would cost to ‘guarantee saftey’, realised it would have taken an insane amount of cash (surely in excess of £150m) and then took the long term view to build rather than gamble - with the hope that we might stay up, but the expectation that if we don’t we are setting the club on a much sounder financial footing from which to build...they have often referred to the Burnley model as the yard stick.
Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:07 pm
dogfound wrote:psw78 wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:psw78 wrote:Talk of Warnock going is absurd - remember where we were two years ago both on and off the field.
Anybody that expected anything other than a relegation fight this season needs to manage their expectations - we’ve had a crazily difficult start playing the current top 6 in our first 8 games, with 5 of those being the ‘traditional big 6’.
Whilst we haven’t got the results, the performances for the most part have been decent - I’ve seen enough to believe that if we can keep the level of performance, become a bit more clinical and get a bit of luck we can start turning those performances into points and wins.
Did we under invest in the summer? Depends what the strategy was. Had Warnock got everything right - absolutely not. However we are where we are with the squad and I can’t think of a single manager (who would come to us) who would do a better job of getting players to perform above their level and on that basis he gives us the best chance of staying up - and if we do go down, he is surely the best person to bring us back up - this time with more quality at his disposal.
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I didn't expect anything other than a relegation fight this season. I'm just saying I believe Tan doesn't rate Warnock at this level. He has not given him a chance. I would love it if Warnock achieved safety, but we all know it ain't gonna happen. All this talk of bouncing back like Burnley and what Wba used to do is not really a strong plan. We need to be strong now whilst we are here not next year and not come back for years.
Like I said it depends on the strategy they set when planning so we don’t know Tan hasn’t backed Warnock - he might have fully backed him against the plan that they agreed on. Warnock has openly said they expected to get a player for £6m and he went to Bournemouth for £25m.
My thought is that they looked at what it would cost to ‘guarantee saftey’, realised it would have taken an insane amount of cash (surely in excess of £150m) and then took the long term view to build rather than gamble - with the hope that we might stay up, but the expectation that if we don’t we are setting the club on a much sounder financial footing from which to build...they have often referred to the Burnley model as the yard stick.
reality is there is no figure that guarantees safety but your in excess of 150 mill is much more reasonable than anything else ive read on here
Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:14 pm
Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:29 pm
Kingyccfc wrote:dogfound wrote:psw78 wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:psw78 wrote:Talk of Warnock going is absurd - remember where we were two years ago both on and off the field.
Anybody that expected anything other than a relegation fight this season needs to manage their expectations - we’ve had a crazily difficult start playing the current top 6 in our first 8 games, with 5 of those being the ‘traditional big 6’.
Whilst we haven’t got the results, the performances for the most part have been decent - I’ve seen enough to believe that if we can keep the level of performance, become a bit more clinical and get a bit of luck we can start turning those performances into points and wins.
Did we under invest in the summer? Depends what the strategy was. Had Warnock got everything right - absolutely not. However we are where we are with the squad and I can’t think of a single manager (who would come to us) who would do a better job of getting players to perform above their level and on that basis he gives us the best chance of staying up - and if we do go down, he is surely the best person to bring us back up - this time with more quality at his disposal.
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I didn't expect anything other than a relegation fight this season. I'm just saying I believe Tan doesn't rate Warnock at this level. He has not given him a chance. I would love it if Warnock achieved safety, but we all know it ain't gonna happen. All this talk of bouncing back like Burnley and what Wba used to do is not really a strong plan. We need to be strong now whilst we are here not next year and not come back for years.
Like I said it depends on the strategy they set when planning so we don’t know Tan hasn’t backed Warnock - he might have fully backed him against the plan that they agreed on. Warnock has openly said they expected to get a player for £6m and he went to Bournemouth for £25m.
My thought is that they looked at what it would cost to ‘guarantee saftey’, realised it would have taken an insane amount of cash (surely in excess of £150m) and then took the long term view to build rather than gamble - with the hope that we might stay up, but the expectation that if we don’t we are setting the club on a much sounder financial footing from which to build...they have often referred to the Burnley model as the yard stick.
reality is there is no figure that guarantees safety but your in excess of 150 mill is much more reasonable than anything else ive read on here
So do we agree that £28 million is nowhere near enough for strengthening?