Calzaghes trainset wrote:captbirdseye wrote:The sovereignty argument is also bullshit as though we don't have it anymore, and will somehow get it back through Brexit. You do realise that we make our own laws and make changes/recommendations to EU ones. The US and China will make sure that sovereignty gets kick into touch when we when take 20 years to agree a trade deal.
At present our sovereignty lies with the European court of justice.
You can try and argue we make our own laws all you want but the truth is the Eu can have us in court in a heartbeat and change any of our laws.
That is not the truth though. It is true that 50,000 laws enacted in the UK in the last 25 years have been derived from or influenced by EU law (which the UK helped to create), but even the most partisan Leave organisations (often advocates of widescale deregulation) like Business For Britain say that applies to up to 60% of UK law (other organisations and commentators put the % lower). And how does sovereignty lie with the ECJ? The ECJ is supposed to interpret EU law and ensure it is being fairly applied. You could say that the Commission (including UK commissioners) exercises some shared sovereignty through proposing new laws, although they have to be approved by the Council (representatives of the EU states but with votes weighted to reflect population - so the UK has one of the larger voices) and the Parliament (made up of elected MEPs from all countries - including the UK!).
It is easy enough to make a case against the purpose, maybe some laws, and the institutions of the EU (if the referendum had gone the other way I would want to see major reforms to the EU) without making exaggerated or totally inaccurate claims!