Mon May 13, 2019 6:47 pm
Mon May 13, 2019 6:53 pm
Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
Mon May 13, 2019 7:51 pm
CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Have you checked them? Taking Monaco out of the list there are countries he mentioned with higher average/min wages than the UK.wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
We've got the biggest solar pv project in the UK, we host a wind farm bigger than any English wind farm, and we're working towards renewable energy quota targets. If we did go down the route of exporting energy it would actually be very marketable.
Mon May 13, 2019 8:27 pm
BlueGog wrote:CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Have you checked them? Taking Monaco out of the list there are countries he mentioned with higher average/min wages than the UK.wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
We've got the biggest solar pv project in the UK, we host a wind farm bigger than any English wind farm, and we're working towards renewable energy quota targets. If we did go down the route of exporting energy it would actually be very marketable.
We are at present the fifth largest producer of electricity in the world! We don't use a fraction of what we produce that could and would be sold.
Mon May 13, 2019 8:31 pm
BlueGog wrote:CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Have you checked them? Taking Monaco out of the list there are countries he mentioned with higher average/min wages than the UK.wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
We've got the biggest solar pv project in the UK, we host a wind farm bigger than any English wind farm, and we're working towards renewable energy quota targets. If we did go down the route of exporting energy it would actually be very marketable.
We are at present the fifth largest producer of electricity in the world! We don't use a fraction of what we produce that could and would be sold.
Mon May 13, 2019 8:37 pm
BlueGog wrote:CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Have you checked them? Taking Monaco out of the list there are countries he mentioned with higher average/min wages than the UK.wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
We've got the biggest solar pv project in the UK, we host a wind farm bigger than any English wind farm, and we're working towards renewable energy quota targets. If we did go down the route of exporting energy it would actually be very marketable.
We are at present the fifth largest producer of electricity in the world! We don't use a fraction of what we produce that could and would be sold.
Mon May 13, 2019 8:45 pm
Tue May 14, 2019 6:43 am
montyblue wrote:WEZ1927
i was' nt saying we could be using coal today it was about we never made as much money in the past with coal, as we could have if we held the purse strings and where independent before coal came about we as a country could have been very rich.
I was talking about the way westminster picks and chooses which region gets a share , and wales does'nt.
Tue May 14, 2019 6:47 am
CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Have you checked them? Taking Monaco out of the list there are countries he mentioned with higher average/min wages than the UK.wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
We've got the biggest solar pv project in the UK, we host a wind farm bigger than any English wind farm, and we're working towards renewable energy quota targets. If we did go down the route of exporting energy it would actually be very marketable.
Tue May 14, 2019 8:07 am
Tue May 14, 2019 8:40 am
wez1927 wrote:BlueGog wrote:CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Have you checked them? Taking Monaco out of the list there are countries he mentioned with higher average/min wages than the UK.wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
We've got the biggest solar pv project in the UK, we host a wind farm bigger than any English wind farm, and we're working towards renewable energy quota targets. If we did go down the route of exporting energy it would actually be very marketable.
We are at present the fifth largest producer of electricity in the world! We don't use a fraction of what we produce that could and would be sold.
your speaking shite 5th largest my ass
Tue May 14, 2019 8:46 am
montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
we could be independent if we really wanted to just the same as ireland
We have natural resources like water which is supplied to a lot of englands regions, but we have never been in charge of our resources,
Water and coal, have been run and controlled by westminster.
The crying shame was after the coal mines where shut no money was pumped into the welsh valleys
but regions in england yorkshire and Nottinghamshire money was pumped into those regions,
the honda factory and jcb where all built there to help the work force ,and concidering wales supplied most of the coal across the uk you would have thought an equal share would have come to wales.
But there was political dealings wales miners been the last out on strike and the nothern miners doing deals with the goverment had the investment, if they went back to work.
As regards the bigger picture of independence smaller countries than us manage, finland, iceland, and as i mentioned across the water ireland.
Wales by the way has never agreed to be run by england,scotland has hence the union flag,neither have we been taken over or conquered.
I love my country with a passion
But i have lots of english and ,scottish friends so i am not anti uk.
Tue May 14, 2019 9:02 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:Sven wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Study history ,economics and demographics.
It's nonsense. Wales never has been a country, just a region outside central administration for a few centuries here and there.
It has no potential income or rescources to support an economy and its people are as English as Welsh by blood.
Ideas to the contrary are the fruits of strange romantic or political fantasies and I'm afraid that anyone who's been seduced by them should think again.
Fair comment there and based on the facts not the fantasy of the self-agenda laden nationalists
I have no issues with Plaid in the 'local' elections; they fight for 'local' issues and do a good job. However, any thoughts they have of running an 'independent' Wales would be scary, if it weren't for its extreme unlikelihood
Perhaps we could export Call Centres, Charity Shops and pictures of Tom Jones.
Tue May 14, 2019 1:59 pm
wez1927 wrote:BlueGog wrote:CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Have you checked them? Taking Monaco out of the list there are countries he mentioned with higher average/min wages than the UK.wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
We've got the biggest solar pv project in the UK, we host a wind farm bigger than any English wind farm, and we're working towards renewable energy quota targets. If we did go down the route of exporting energy it would actually be very marketable.
We are at present the fifth largest producer of electricity in the world! We don't use a fraction of what we produce that could and would be sold.
your speaking shite 5th largest my ass
Tue May 14, 2019 2:27 pm
BlueGog wrote:wez1927 wrote:BlueGog wrote:CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Have you checked them? Taking Monaco out of the list there are countries he mentioned with higher average/min wages than the UK.wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
We've got the biggest solar pv project in the UK, we host a wind farm bigger than any English wind farm, and we're working towards renewable energy quota targets. If we did go down the route of exporting energy it would actually be very marketable.
We are at present the fifth largest producer of electricity in the world! We don't use a fraction of what we produce that could and would be sold.
your speaking shite 5th largest my ass
in 2016 Wales was indisputably the fifth largest net exporter of electricity on the planet, behind Canada, Germany, Paraguay and France?
If anyone wants to get a better feel for just how much electricity Wales has exported to England in the last few years, here is the zenith- 2016. (below)
42.5TWh generated. Welsh consumption was only 18.3TWh. Pumped storage
& transmission losses account for 6TWh. 18.4TWh was exported.
You can read more about this here https://nation.cymru/opinion/wales-is-a ... ained-out/
Tue May 14, 2019 2:35 pm
CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Have you checked them? Taking Monaco out of the list there are countries he mentioned with higher average/min wages than the UK.wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
We've got the biggest solar pv project in the UK, we host a wind farm bigger than any English wind farm, and we're working towards renewable energy quota targets. If we did go down the route of exporting energy it would actually be very marketable.
Tue May 14, 2019 2:48 pm
dogfound wrote:montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
we could be independent if we really wanted to just the same as ireland
We have natural resources like water which is supplied to a lot of englands regions, but we have never been in charge of our resources,
Water and coal, have been run and controlled by westminster.
The crying shame was after the coal mines where shut no money was pumped into the welsh valleys
but regions in england yorkshire and Nottinghamshire money was pumped into those regions,
the honda factory and jcb where all built there to help the work force ,and concidering wales supplied most of the coal across the uk you would have thought an equal share would have come to wales.
But there was political dealings wales miners been the last out on strike and the nothern miners doing deals with the goverment had the investment, if they went back to work.
As regards the bigger picture of independence smaller countries than us manage, finland, iceland, and as i mentioned across the water ireland.
Wales by the way has never agreed to be run by england,scotland has hence the union flag,neither have we been taken over or conquered.
I love my country with a passion
But i have lots of english and ,scottish friends so i am not anti uk.
the valleys ?
I suggest next season when on our football travels you take some time out to visit the local hell holes instead of the city centres...
Tue May 14, 2019 3:01 pm
RV Casual wrote:dogfound wrote:montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
we could be independent if we really wanted to just the same as ireland
We have natural resources like water which is supplied to a lot of englands regions, but we have never been in charge of our resources,
Water and coal, have been run and controlled by westminster.
The crying shame was after the coal mines where shut no money was pumped into the welsh valleys
but regions in england yorkshire and Nottinghamshire money was pumped into those regions,
the honda factory and jcb where all built there to help the work force ,and concidering wales supplied most of the coal across the uk you would have thought an equal share would have come to wales.
But there was political dealings wales miners been the last out on strike and the nothern miners doing deals with the goverment had the investment, if they went back to work.
As regards the bigger picture of independence smaller countries than us manage, finland, iceland, and as i mentioned across the water ireland.
Wales by the way has never agreed to be run by england,scotland has hence the union flag,neither have we been taken over or conquered.
I love my country with a passion
But i have lots of english and ,scottish friends so i am not anti uk.
the valleys ?
I suggest next season when on our football travels you take some time out to visit the local hell holes instead of the city centres...
Irritates the f**k out of me mate, bet he's not even a Valley Boy.
As I said above, iv lived here all my life and in the main the vast majority of people are doing pretty damn well.
Tue May 14, 2019 3:24 pm
Sven wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Sven wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Study history ,economics and demographics.
It's nonsense. Wales never has been a country, just a region outside central administration for a few centuries here and there.
It has no potential income or rescources to support an economy and its people are as English as Welsh by blood.
Ideas to the contrary are the fruits of strange romantic or political fantasies and I'm afraid that anyone who's been seduced by them should think again.
Fair comment there and based on the facts not the fantasy of the self-agenda laden nationalists
I have no issues with Plaid in the 'local' elections; they fight for 'local' issues and do a good job. However, any thoughts they have of running an 'independent' Wales would be scary, if it weren't for its extreme unlikelihood
Perhaps we could export Call Centres, Charity Shops and pictures of Tom Jones.
And don't forget Groggs, Welsh Cakes, Dame Shirley Bassey, Charlotte Church and Andy Fairweather-Lowe
Tue May 14, 2019 4:05 pm
:lol: whos going to subsidised the production like Westminster does ? the Welsh government? where would they get the money from?BlueGog wrote:wez1927 wrote:BlueGog wrote:CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Have you checked them? Taking Monaco out of the list there are countries he mentioned with higher average/min wages than the UK.wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
We've got the biggest solar pv project in the UK, we host a wind farm bigger than any English wind farm, and we're working towards renewable energy quota targets. If we did go down the route of exporting energy it would actually be very marketable.
We are at present the fifth largest producer of electricity in the world! We don't use a fraction of what we produce that could and would be sold.
your speaking shite 5th largest my ass
in 2016 Wales was indisputably the fifth largest net exporter of electricity on the planet, behind Canada, Germany, Paraguay and France?
If anyone wants to get a better feel for just how much electricity Wales has exported to England in the last few years, here is the zenith- 2016. (below)
42.5TWh generated. Welsh consumption was only 18.3TWh. Pumped storage
& transmission losses account for 6TWh. 18.4TWh was exported.
You can read more about this here https://nation.cymru/opinion/wales-is-a ... ained-out/
Tue May 14, 2019 4:11 pm
Tue May 14, 2019 5:08 pm
montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
we could be independent if we really wanted to just the same as ireland
We have natural resources like water which is supplied to a lot of englands regions, but we have never been in charge of our resources,
Water and coal, have been run and controlled by westminster.
The crying shame was after the coal mines where shut no money was pumped into the welsh valleys
but regions in england yorkshire and Nottinghamshire money was pumped into those regions,
the honda factory and jcb where all built there to help the work force ,and concidering wales supplied most of the coal across the uk you would have thought an equal share would have come to wales.
But there was political dealings wales miners been the last out on strike and the nothern miners doing deals with the goverment had the investment, if they went back to work.
As regards the bigger picture of independence smaller countries than us manage, finland, iceland, and as i mentioned across the water ireland.
Wales by the way has never agreed to be run by england,scotland has hence the union flag,neither have we been taken over or conquered.
I love my country with a passion
But i have lots of english and ,scottish friends so i am not anti uk.
Tue May 14, 2019 5:12 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Sven wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Sven wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Study history ,economics and demographics.
It's nonsense. Wales never has been a country, just a region outside central administration for a few centuries here and there.
It has no potential income or rescources to support an economy and its people are as English as Welsh by blood.
Ideas to the contrary are the fruits of strange romantic or political fantasies and I'm afraid that anyone who's been seduced by them should think again.
Fair comment there and based on the facts not the fantasy of the self-agenda laden nationalists
I have no issues with Plaid in the 'local' elections; they fight for 'local' issues and do a good job. However, any thoughts they have of running an 'independent' Wales would be scary, if it weren't for its extreme unlikelihood
Perhaps we could export Call Centres, Charity Shops and pictures of Tom Jones.
And don't forget Groggs, Welsh Cakes, Dame Shirley Bassey, Charlotte Church and Andy Fairweather-Lowe
Perhaps we could make money by advising countries on how to best manage their health services, ambulances, and education and how best to award grants to con artists. Forgot about Welsh Cakes, they would be our equivalent to Saudi Arabia's oil.
Tue May 14, 2019 6:04 pm
Sven wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Study history ,economics and demographics.
It's nonsense. Wales never has been a country, just a region outside central administration for a few centuries here and there.
It has no potential income or rescources to support an economy and its people are as English as Welsh by blood.
Ideas to the contrary are the fruits of strange romantic or political fantasies and I'm afraid that anyone who's been seduced by them should think again.
Fair comment there and based on the facts not the fantasy of the self-agenda laden nationalists
I have no issues with Plaid in the 'local' elections; they fight for 'local' issues and do a good job. However, any thoughts they have of running an 'independent' Wales would be scary, if it weren't for its extreme unlikelihood
Tue May 14, 2019 6:06 pm
wez1927 wrote:rumpo kid wrote:And who would pay to buy all the power stations? And DCWW is a not for profit organisation.
The get rich plan has hit a snag.
tax tax tax will be the plan.of labour and plaid
Tue May 14, 2019 6:10 pm
rumpo kid wrote:That’s it then. I’m voting Plaid because Big Ben is having a refit..
Tue May 14, 2019 6:13 pm
wez1927 wrote:BlueGog wrote:CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Have you checked them? Taking Monaco out of the list there are countries he mentioned with higher average/min wages than the UK.wez1927 wrote:so our economic plan is to sell water and coal ? ffs ,is this the same coal that the world is trying to do away with for environmental reasons ?
We've got the biggest solar pv project in the UK, we host a wind farm bigger than any English wind farm, and we're working towards renewable energy quota targets. If we did go down the route of exporting energy it would actually be very marketable.
We are at present the fifth largest producer of electricity in the world! We don't use a fraction of what we produce that could and would be sold.
your speaking shite 5th largest my ass
Tue May 14, 2019 6:14 pm
Jock wrote:montyblue wrote:WEZ1927
i was' nt saying we could be using coal today it was about we never made as much money in the past with coal, as we could have if we held the purse strings and where independent before coal came about we as a country could have been very rich.
I was talking about the way westminster picks and chooses which region gets a share , and wales does'nt.
Wales gets more, per capita, from Westminster than any English region. When Barry was the biggest coal exporting port in the world some Welshman got very rich. Those who benefited the most financially weren’t inclined to share it out.
Tue May 14, 2019 6:20 pm
tcblue wrote:Jock wrote:montyblue wrote:WEZ1927
i was' nt saying we could be using coal today it was about we never made as much money in the past with coal, as we could have if we held the purse strings and where independent before coal came about we as a country could have been very rich.
I was talking about the way westminster picks and chooses which region gets a share , and wales does'nt.
Wales gets more, per capita, from Westminster than any English region. When Barry was the biggest coal exporting port in the world some Welshman got very rich. Those who benefited the most financially weren’t inclined to share it out.
Name me five Welshmen. I dare you to post links to corroborate them too.
They were all from the west of England and sucked the wealth out
Tue May 14, 2019 6:25 pm
dogfound wrote:tcblue wrote:Jock wrote:montyblue wrote:WEZ1927
i was' nt saying we could be using coal today it was about we never made as much money in the past with coal, as we could have if we held the purse strings and where independent before coal came about we as a country could have been very rich.
I was talking about the way westminster picks and chooses which region gets a share , and wales does'nt.
Wales gets more, per capita, from Westminster than any English region. When Barry was the biggest coal exporting port in the world some Welshman got very rich. Those who benefited the most financially weren’t inclined to share it out.
Name me five Welshmen. I dare you to post links to corroborate them too.
They were all from the west of England and sucked the wealth out
but isn't that the case with energy as well ?
btw Wales target is to be 70% on renewable energy by 2030...so any notion that we are going to get rich quick on energy anytime soon is just incorrect...its our power stations that at present are producing all this surplus and they wont be around long..