Tue May 14, 2019 7:13 pm
tcblue wrote:rumpo kid wrote:That’s it then. I’m voting Plaid because Big Ben is having a refit..
Big Ben is more valuable to the London government than the entirety of Wales. Fact.
The temporary parliament in London will cost the same amount as 1/4 of the entire Welsh budget. And that is just on the temp accommodation.
Meanwhile, they can throw bungs of £1.2bn to Northern Ireland to keep their miserable government in power.
The entire system is designed to keep those outside of the south east isolated
Wed May 15, 2019 12:34 pm
Wed May 15, 2019 12:47 pm
montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
we could be independent if we really wanted to just the same as ireland
We have natural resources like water which is supplied to a lot of englands regions, but we have never been in charge of our resources,
Water and coal, have been run and controlled by westminster.
The crying shame was after the coal mines where shut no money was pumped into the welsh valleys
but regions in england yorkshire and Nottinghamshire money was pumped into those regions,
the honda factory and jcb where all built there to help the work force ,and concidering wales supplied most of the coal across the uk you would have thought an equal share would have come to wales.
But there was political dealings wales miners been the last out on strike and the nothern miners doing deals with the goverment had the investment, if they went back to work.
As regards the bigger picture of independence smaller countries than us manage, finland, iceland, and as i mentioned across the water ireland.
Wales by the way has never agreed to be run by england,scotland has hence the union flag,neither have we been taken over or conquered.
I love my country with a passion
But i have lots of english and ,scottish friends so i am not anti uk.
Wed May 15, 2019 1:58 pm
RYANBLUE wrote:its bad enough having welsh language forced on us now every day (40 years too late to make everybody speak it), could you just imagine if we did...… wed all be foreignors in our own country, not being able to answer the phone without google translate, not being able to order anything in restaurant...
No no no. Its bad enough the UK is twatting it up, lets at least go down together not as a tiny nation with nothing to gain.
Wed May 15, 2019 3:59 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
we could be independent if we really wanted to just the same as ireland
We have natural resources like water which is supplied to a lot of englands regions, but we have never been in charge of our resources,
Water and coal, have been run and controlled by westminster.
The crying shame was after the coal mines where shut no money was pumped into the welsh valleys
but regions in england yorkshire and Nottinghamshire money was pumped into those regions,
the honda factory and jcb where all built there to help the work force ,and concidering wales supplied most of the coal across the uk you would have thought an equal share would have come to wales.
But there was political dealings wales miners been the last out on strike and the nothern miners doing deals with the goverment had the investment, if they went back to work.
As regards the bigger picture of independence smaller countries than us manage, finland, iceland, and as i mentioned across the water ireland.
Wales by the way has never agreed to be run by england,scotland has hence the union flag,neither have we been taken over or conquered.
I love my country with a passion
But i have lots of english and ,scottish friends so i am not anti uk.
All very well Monty, but as I said earlier, Wales has never actually been a country. You can't compare it with Ireland , which has a very long history of independence and national identity and a very distinct cultural and biological heritage.
Similarly Finland and Iceland have a history, culture and language quite distinct from their neighbours and they're not a completely homogenised population like Wales.
What do you want me to be patriotic about ? We look to events traditions and history for this which is common with England if not the entire UK - England looks to a history and culture completely entwined with Wales too
Wed May 15, 2019 6:11 pm
RYANBLUE wrote:its bad enough having welsh language forced on us now every day (40 years too late to make everybody speak it), could you just imagine if we did...… wed all be foreignors in our own country, not being able to answer the phone without google translate, not being able to order anything in restaurant...
No no no. Its bad enough the UK is twatting it up, lets at least go down together not as a tiny nation with nothing to gain.
Wed May 15, 2019 6:16 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
we could be independent if we really wanted to just the same as ireland
We have natural resources like water which is supplied to a lot of englands regions, but we have never been in charge of our resources,
Water and coal, have been run and controlled by westminster.
The crying shame was after the coal mines where shut no money was pumped into the welsh valleys
but regions in england yorkshire and Nottinghamshire money was pumped into those regions,
the honda factory and jcb where all built there to help the work force ,and concidering wales supplied most of the coal across the uk you would have thought an equal share would have come to wales.
But there was political dealings wales miners been the last out on strike and the nothern miners doing deals with the goverment had the investment, if they went back to work.
As regards the bigger picture of independence smaller countries than us manage, finland, iceland, and as i mentioned across the water ireland.
Wales by the way has never agreed to be run by england,scotland has hence the union flag,neither have we been taken over or conquered.
I love my country with a passion
But i have lots of english and ,scottish friends so i am not anti uk.
All very well Monty, but as I said earlier, Wales has never actually been a country. You can't compare it with Ireland , which has a very long history of independence and national identity and a very distinct cultural and biological heritage.
Similarly Finland and Iceland have a history, culture and language quite distinct from their neighbours and they're not a completely homogenised population like Wales.
What do you want me to be patriotic about ? We look to events traditions and history for this which is common with England if not the entire UK - England looks to a history and culture completely entwined with Wales too
Wed May 15, 2019 6:32 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
we could be independent if we really wanted to just the same as ireland
We have natural resources like water which is supplied to a lot of englands regions, but we have never been in charge of our resources,
Water and coal, have been run and controlled by westminster.
The crying shame was after the coal mines where shut no money was pumped into the welsh valleys
but regions in england yorkshire and Nottinghamshire money was pumped into those regions,
the honda factory and jcb where all built there to help the work force ,and concidering wales supplied most of the coal across the uk you would have thought an equal share would have come to wales.
But there was political dealings wales miners been the last out on strike and the nothern miners doing deals with the goverment had the investment, if they went back to work.
As regards the bigger picture of independence smaller countries than us manage, finland, iceland, and as i mentioned across the water ireland.
Wales by the way has never agreed to be run by england,scotland has hence the union flag,neither have we been taken over or conquered.
I love my country with a passion
But i have lots of english and ,scottish friends so i am not anti uk.
All very well Monty, but as I said earlier, Wales has never actually been a country. You can't compare it with Ireland , which has a very long history of independence and national identity and a very distinct cultural and biological heritage.
Similarly Finland and Iceland have a history, culture and language quite distinct from their neighbours and they're not a completely homogenised population like Wales.
What do you want me to be patriotic about ? We look to events traditions and history for this which is common with England if not the entire UK - England looks to a history and culture completely entwined with Wales too
Wed May 15, 2019 6:39 pm
Wed May 15, 2019 8:47 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:All very well Monty, but as I said earlier, Wales has never actually been a country. You can't compare it with Ireland , which has a very long history of independence and national identity and a very distinct cultural and biological heritage.
Similarly Finland and Iceland have a history, culture and language quite distinct from their neighbours and they're not a completely homogenised population like Wales.
What do you want me to be patriotic about ? We look to events traditions and history for this which is common with England if not the entire UK - England looks to a history and culture completely entwined with Wales too
Thu May 16, 2019 1:21 am
WelshPatriot wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
we could be independent if we really wanted to just the same as ireland
We have natural resources like water which is supplied to a lot of englands regions, but we have never been in charge of our resources,
Water and coal, have been run and controlled by westminster.
The crying shame was after the coal mines where shut no money was pumped into the welsh valleys
but regions in england yorkshire and Nottinghamshire money was pumped into those regions,
the honda factory and jcb where all built there to help the work force ,and concidering wales supplied most of the coal across the uk you would have thought an equal share would have come to wales.
But there was political dealings wales miners been the last out on strike and the nothern miners doing deals with the goverment had the investment, if they went back to work.
As regards the bigger picture of independence smaller countries than us manage, finland, iceland, and as i mentioned across the water ireland.
Wales by the way has never agreed to be run by england,scotland has hence the union flag,neither have we been taken over or conquered.
I love my country with a passion
But i have lots of english and ,scottish friends so i am not anti uk.
All very well Monty, but as I said earlier, Wales has never actually been a country. You can't compare it with Ireland , which has a very long history of independence and national identity and a very distinct cultural and biological heritage.
Similarly Finland and Iceland have a history, culture and language quite distinct from their neighbours and they're not a completely homogenised population like Wales.
What do you want me to be patriotic about ? We look to events traditions and history for this which is common with England if not the entire UK - England looks to a history and culture completely entwined with Wales too
Wales is a Country. That's a fact not made up twaddle.
Thu May 16, 2019 6:42 am
tcblue wrote:RYANBLUE wrote:its bad enough having welsh language forced on us now every day (40 years too late to make everybody speak it), could you just imagine if we did...… wed all be foreignors in our own country, not being able to answer the phone without google translate, not being able to order anything in restaurant...
No no no. Its bad enough the UK is twatting it up, lets at least go down together not as a tiny nation with nothing to gain.
Forced? Behave you sledge
Thu May 16, 2019 6:57 am
Thu May 16, 2019 7:04 am
Thu May 16, 2019 7:53 am
montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
your are very selective with your so called facts i don' t want to get into a slagging match of my facts and your' s etc
But to pick out just one, without trawling throught the lot
You said the welsh are not really welsh, they are the ancient britains.
The ancient britions are the welsh brithonic,the welsh was the spoken word throughout the land
Like i said we can all pick out a few things to bolster our opinion what is fact and i don't want to get into a row
May i suggest you read "Terry Breverton's" book on the "welsh"
As one example which might enlighten you, which is a exellent book.
Thu May 16, 2019 8:04 am
montyblue wrote:JOCK
The english language was forced on the welsh for many years
Including my grandparents
who never spoke a word of english
If the english was a dying language
Do you think the english people would not bother trying to preserve
there language and culture.
Thu May 16, 2019 8:08 am
Jock wrote:tcblue wrote:RYANBLUE wrote:its bad enough having welsh language forced on us now every day (40 years too late to make everybody speak it), could you just imagine if we did...… wed all be foreignors in our own country, not being able to answer the phone without google translate, not being able to order anything in restaurant...
No no no. Its bad enough the UK is twatting it up, lets at least go down together not as a tiny nation with nothing to gain.
Forced? Behave you sledge
The Welsh language is forced on us, even on BBC they push it. It’s insular, pointless and costs a fortune. The money could be much better spent elsewhere. Instead of teaching kids a major language they’re pushing a pointless dead language that’s no use unless you work in the media or want to visit Patagonia.
Thu May 16, 2019 8:18 am
Jock wrote:montyblue wrote:JOCK
The english language was forced on the welsh for many years
Including my grandparents
who never spoke a word of english
If the english was a dying language
Do you think the english people would not bother trying to preserve
there language and culture.
The older I get the less patriotic I get, I grew up believing Bonnie Prince Charlie was a hero and a freedom fighter, in truth he was a power hungry ponce.
I have no problem people speaking or indeed learning Welsh, I do however believe too much money is spent on it. I’m sat in a hotel in Cádiz at the moment, I’ve been struggling for years to learn Spanish and think teaching kids that, German, Italian or Mandarin would be far more beneficial. I get the cultural importance of the Welsh Language but as a cold soulless pragmatist I find it all a bit silly, it’s driven by Welsh Nationalists who want to break up the U.K., replacing “English rule” with Brussels rule.
Thu May 16, 2019 10:05 am
tcblue wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
we could be independent if we really wanted to just the same as ireland
We have natural resources like water which is supplied to a lot of englands regions, but we have never been in charge of our resources,
Water and coal, have been run and controlled by westminster.
The crying shame was after the coal mines where shut no money was pumped into the welsh valleys
but regions in england yorkshire and Nottinghamshire money was pumped into those regions,
the honda factory and jcb where all built there to help the work force ,and concidering wales supplied most of the coal across the uk you would have thought an equal share would have come to wales.
But there was political dealings wales miners been the last out on strike and the nothern miners doing deals with the goverment had the investment, if they went back to work.
As regards the bigger picture of independence smaller countries than us manage, finland, iceland, and as i mentioned across the water ireland.
Wales by the way has never agreed to be run by england,scotland has hence the union flag,neither have we been taken over or conquered.
I love my country with a passion
But i have lots of english and ,scottish friends so i am not anti uk.
All very well Monty, but as I said earlier, Wales has never actually been a country. You can't compare it with Ireland , which has a very long history of independence and national identity and a very distinct cultural and biological heritage.
Similarly Finland and Iceland have a history, culture and language quite distinct from their neighbours and they're not a completely homogenised population like Wales.
What do you want me to be patriotic about ? We look to events traditions and history for this which is common with England if not the entire UK - England looks to a history and culture completely entwined with Wales too
If Wales isn’t a country (and is therefore a region of England) then we should do the honorable thing and abolish our NATIONAL football team. You can’t have your cake and eat it.
I’ll just leave this here: https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/bu ... s-16277366
Thu May 16, 2019 11:42 am
Thu May 16, 2019 1:07 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:Jimmy keep spouting Wales isn't a Country and ignore simple facts:
Thu May 16, 2019 1:17 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:Jimmy keep spouting Wales isn't a Country and ignore simple facts:
Thu May 16, 2019 3:55 pm
Thu May 16, 2019 4:01 pm
Lengee wrote:I enjoy reading some posts on here even if some contributors appear to be on the wrong thread.
As yet, I am unaware of any thread with the title...
Nigel Farage: evil nationalist or just misguided? Discuss
BUT Sir Jimmy Schoular seems to be contributing to that debate when he says(and I quote)...
" hesitate to bring politics into it, but I think you've been the victim of a very divisive strain of that dark art. It's been the way if things for a long time now to destroy Britain from within partially by creating as many divisions and discontentments as possible in order to " divide and conquer".
I agree that Nigel Farage has been guilty of lying and deceiving the public and sadly his ugly brand of English gung ho colonial, imperialist nationalism .... has been "a very divisive strain of the dark art" However, this topic is about Welsh nationalism which is modern and outlook lookung. It does not have the evil racist connotations of Mr Farage and his motley crew.I
But hey thanks for the contribution
Thu May 16, 2019 4:09 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Lengee wrote:I enjoy reading some posts on here even if some contributors appear to be on the wrong thread.
As yet, I am unaware of any thread with the title...
Nigel Farage: evil nationalist or just misguided? Discuss
BUT Sir Jimmy Schoular seems to be contributing to that debate when he says(and I quote)...
" hesitate to bring politics into it, but I think you've been the victim of a very divisive strain of that dark art. It's been the way if things for a long time now to destroy Britain from within partially by creating as many divisions and discontentments as possible in order to " divide and conquer".
I agree that Nigel Farage has been guilty of lying and deceiving the public and sadly his ugly brand of English gung ho colonial, imperialist nationalism .... has been "a very divisive strain of the dark art" However, this topic is about Welsh nationalism which is modern and outlook lookung. It does not have the evil racist connotations of Mr Farage and his motley crew.I
But hey thanks for the contribution
I think after next weeks elections you will find that a lot of people do not share your point of view.
Thu May 16, 2019 4:16 pm
Thu May 16, 2019 4:44 pm
Lengee wrote:I enjoy reading some posts on here even if some contributors appear to be on the wrong thread.
As yet, I am unaware of any thread with the title...
Nigel Farage: evil nationalist or just misguided? Discuss
BUT Sir Jimmy Schoular seems to be contributing to that debate when he says(and I quote)...
" hesitate to bring politics into it, but I think you've been the victim of a very divisive strain of that dark art. It's been the way if things for a long time now to destroy Britain from within partially by creating as many divisions and discontentments as possible in order to " divide and conquer".
I agree that Nigel Farage has been guilty of lying and deceiving the public and sadly his ugly brand of English gung ho colonial, imperialist nationalism .... has been "a very divisive strain of the dark art" However, this topic is about Welsh nationalism which is modern and outlook lookung. It does not have the evil racist connotations of Mr Farage and his motley crew.I
But hey thanks for the contribution
Thu May 16, 2019 4:45 pm
Thu May 16, 2019 4:52 pm
Lengee wrote:I enjoy reading some posts on here even if some contributors appear to be on the wrong thread.
As yet, I am unaware of any thread with the title...
Nigel Farage: evil nationalist or just misguided? Discuss
BUT Sir Jimmy Schoular seems to be contributing to that debate when he says(and I quote)...
" hesitate to bring politics into it, but I think you've been the victim of a very divisive strain of that dark art. It's been the way if things for a long time now to destroy Britain from within partially by creating as many divisions and discontentments as possible in order to " divide and conquer".
I agree that Nigel Farage has been guilty of lying and deceiving the public and sadly his ugly brand of English gung ho colonial, imperialist nationalism .... has been "a very divisive strain of the dark art" However, this topic is about Welsh nationalism which is modern and outlook lookung. It does not have the evil racist connotations of Mr Farage and his motley crew.I
But hey thanks for the contribution
Thu May 16, 2019 4:54 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Jimmy keep spouting Wales isn't a Country and ignore simple facts:
Strange to choose Wales Online to rebut pretty much the entirety of European History, the accepted definition of a sovereign nation and the lack of any ability to sustain a country in terms of economics, defence or administration.
You seem annoyed with me for disturbing your dream with the hard facts. I didn't personally create any of these factors, I'm just telling you what they are.
I hesitate to bring politics into it, but I think you've been the victim of a very divisive strain of that dark art. It's been the way if things for a long time now to destroy Britain from within partially by creating as many divisions and discontentments as possible in order to " divide and conquer".
In my youth there were a few Welsh Nationalists, but they were regarded as complete nut cases who grew their hair longer than was then customary and wrote atrocious poems . This fringe lunacy has been nicely exploited and fed by the same people who encourage black v white, north v south and men v women amongst other myriad shit stirring ventures.
Rather than just gainsaying me with unsupportable strap lines, tell us stuff like where the capital of Wales was , which kings of Wales were crowned there, what were their names and what did they achieve ? What was the main historical impact of this fictitious country ? What was its relationship with other countries in Europe such as France and Germany ?
What was the religion there and did it take part in the crusades for example ? Who were its ambassadors to the Vatican and what position did it take in the Reformation ?
Who was the Roman Governor during that age and was it a client state of Rome ?
How big was its navy and which colonies did it establish when every European country was doing that ?
These are all questions you could answer if there were answers ,but obviously you couldn't , so regard them as rhetorical ones.
See, I don't want to be cast as the nasty collaborator who's pissing on your bonfire or trying to deny you your freedom, but you're making me sound like that with these frankly childish slogans and some strange refusal to acknowledge reality.