Thu May 16, 2019 4:56 pm
Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
Thu May 16, 2019 4:57 pm
Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
Thu May 16, 2019 5:21 pm
Thu May 16, 2019 5:29 pm
Lengee wrote:The programme was a factual documentary on children and grandchildren who have lived with a name that immediately raised images of genocide. I only saw it by chance. But as it was a very good programme, I looked it up in case anyone fancies watching it.
It was called Hitler's Children and was shown in Monday at 9pm on BBC4 (I assume it is also on i player).
Thu May 16, 2019 5:30 pm
Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
Thu May 16, 2019 5:34 pm
Thu May 16, 2019 5:53 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
Of course we can bank on the BBC to have an unbiased view of things. Funny how they did not report last nights attempts in Merthyr to stop people getting to the Farage meeting by remainers who blocked the road, obviously these were people who do not believe in free speech.
Thu May 16, 2019 6:12 pm
rumpo kid wrote:Simple solution to this..split Wales, the Gognats have the Welsh speaking north, we keep the English speaking south...
March around Wrexham all day long..
Everyone’s a winner...
Thu May 16, 2019 6:18 pm
Jock wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
Of course we can bank on the BBC to have an unbiased view of things. Funny how they did not report last nights attempts in Merthyr to stop people getting to the Farage meeting by remainers who blocked the road, obviously these were people who do not believe in free speech.
They don’t want freedom of speech and want to subvert the democratic process in this country.
Thu May 16, 2019 6:20 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Jock wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
Of course we can bank on the BBC to have an unbiased view of things. Funny how they did not report last nights attempts in Merthyr to stop people getting to the Farage meeting by remainers who blocked the road, obviously these were people who do not believe in free speech.
They don’t want freedom of speech and want to subvert the democratic process in this country.
Makes you wonder Jock. If Brexit supporters were laying down in the road attempting to stop a remain campaign meeting, the BBC would be all over it. I may have missed it, but I'm not sure there has been any mention of Plaid supporters trying to stop a pefectly legal meeting last night, which to me means they are against free speech and democracy.
Thu May 16, 2019 6:20 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
Of course we can bank on the BBC to have an unbiased view of things. Funny how they did not report last nights attempts in Merthyr to stop people getting to the Farage meeting by remainers who blocked the road, obviously these were people who do not believe in free speech.
Thu May 16, 2019 7:48 pm
Thu May 16, 2019 8:04 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
And are you trying to suggest that Nigel Farage falls into this category ?
More so perhaps than Mr Junkers,who's father was a REAL Nazi and a war criminal ?
More so than the " founding fathers" of the EU who included a number of leading Nazis who wrote that this was the only remaining course open to create a "Grosse Deutchland", or new Reich ?
More so than George Soros who funds the remain campaign to carry on after a democratic vote , and who was a Nazi collaborator in Hungary, confiscating the property of Jews and sending them off to death camps ?
If you want I can give you sources for all this, by the way.
It's a shame that you want to hijack this thread to do a bit of extra mural remoaning, but if you insist we might as well base it on fact rather than some mind bending propoganda you've picked up from the media .
Thu May 16, 2019 8:11 pm
Thu May 16, 2019 9:29 pm
Thu May 16, 2019 10:44 pm
Lengee wrote:You made allegations about Juncker saying "his father was a REAL Nazi and a war criminal."
So what if he was? I don't judge people on the actions of their fathers.I
BUT
To make matters worse your allegations don't even appear to be correct.
I looked into the link (as "you have the sources").
And so that there's no argument about bias this comes from the Telegraph 2014 (a Brexit supporting conservative paper)...... Mr Juncker
"Born in 1924 to a working class family, Mr Juncker’s father Joseph, a steel worker and a Christian trade unionist, was forcibly conscripted into the German Wehrmacht army during the War.
In 1942 over 10,000 Luxembourgers were forced to serve in the German army, prompting a nationwide general strike that was brutally crushed by the tiny Grand Duchy’s Nazi occupiers.
The wounds are still raw. In 1997, the Luxembourg leader wept in the margins of an EU summit with Ukraine recalling how his father was wounded fighting in Odessa under duress as a forced conscript in a Nazi army that he loathed.
Over 2,800 of the forced conscripts from Luxembourg died, a history that reinforces Mr Juncker’s mission to keep a reunified Germany bound to France within European structures, such as the euro.
Last month, his father, aged 90, who is frail and living in nursing home, wept when a radio station reported on The Sun newspaper’s allegation that he was the Juncker family’s “Nazi link”......"
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As for this other guy called Soros he was born in Nazi Germany in 1930....in other words your Nazi collaborator was 9 when the war started and 14 when it ended. He has apparently given 100s of £millions to underprivileged children charities etc .
By the way I am NOT saying I agree with or support either of these men. And I don't mind you have a different opinion to me (we are all entitled to one!).
But I don't like people stating "facts" which are nothing of the sort.
Fri May 17, 2019 6:08 am
Fri May 17, 2019 6:26 am
Lengee wrote:you are now trying to twist things and make me some sort of Nazi sympathisers. That is disgraceful.
The quote I made came from the Daily Telegraph. Hardly me putting a Junkers spin on the facts!. when I looked at the Soros allegations they include showing him in an SS uniform when it has been proved to be Oscar Groening an Aushwitz officer, and when he was 9 at the outbreak of war.
When someone challenges your "facts", it doesn't occur to you that you might be wrong! It's easier to Ignore them, move the goalposts, and try the "you aren't as old and as knowledgeable as me routine".
You try to use untrue" facts" relating to Ww2 so how can anyone trust your comments on Welsh history and the Welsh language! Without referring back I think you labelled Welsh Nationalists as a few nutters who grew their hair long and met in a hill in Pembrokeshire. Quite amusing but hardly fair or accurate.
As for your predictions that Wales could not survive as an independent country - I don't know, - but you do not have a good track record future outcomes.....10th position springs to mind!
Cymru am byth!
Fri May 17, 2019 7:18 am
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
And are you trying to suggest that Nigel Farage falls into this category ?
More so perhaps than Mr Junkers,who's father was a REAL Nazi and a war criminal ?
More so than the " founding fathers" of the EU who included a number of leading Nazis who wrote that this was the only remaining course open to create a "Grosse Deutchland", or new Reich ?
More so than George Soros who funds the remain campaign to carry on after a democratic vote , and who was a Nazi collaborator in Hungary, confiscating the property of Jews and sending them off to death camps ?
If you want I can give you sources for all this, by the way.
It's a shame that you want to hijack this thread to do a bit of extra mural remoaning, but if you insist we might as well base it on fact rather than some mind bending propoganda you've picked up from the media .
Fri May 17, 2019 7:21 am
Fri May 17, 2019 7:23 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
Of course we can bank on the BBC to have an unbiased view of things. Funny how they did not report last nights attempts in Merthyr to stop people getting to the Farage meeting by remainers who blocked the road, obviously these were people who do not believe in free speech.
Fri May 17, 2019 7:28 am
rumpo kid wrote:Simple solution to this..split Wales, the Gognats have the Welsh speaking north, we keep the English speaking south...
March around Wrexham all day long..
Everyone’s a winner...
Fri May 17, 2019 7:29 am
BlueGog wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
Of course we can bank on the BBC to have an unbiased view of things. Funny how they did not report last nights attempts in Merthyr to stop people getting to the Farage meeting by remainers who blocked the road, obviously these were people who do not believe in free speech.
Looks like the Merthyr rally was a bit of a non-event! Compare it with last Saturdays independence march in Cardiff, oh and by the way the BBC didn't report that either!
Fri May 17, 2019 8:17 am
Lengee wrote:Fact I knew nothing about Junckers father until SJS alleged he was a Real Nazi and war criminal. Fact : he was not. It seems that Juncker himself is a heavy drinker (that was not the discussion).
As for Soros I did not know of him until yesterday! so I make no comment about his polutics. But in view of SJSs allegations about him, I had a look. I have read (Fact:false allegations of him being in the SS, with made up pictures of him in Ss uniform). I know nothing about him personally and have no reason to defend him. But I did see this
"..Holocaust survivor and Anti-Defamation League Director Abraham Foxman stated in response to Glenn Beck’s attempted takedown of Soros
"Glenn Beck’s description of George Soros’ actions during the Holocaust is completely inappropriate, offensive and over the top. For a political commentator or entertainer to have the audacity to say – inaccurately – that there’s a Jewish boy sending Jews to death camps, as part of a broader assault on Mr. Soros, that’s horrific.
While I, too, may disagree with many of Soros’ views and analysis on the issues, to bring in this kind of innuendo about his past is unacceptable. To hold a young boy responsible for what was going on around him during the Holocaust as part of a larger effort to denigrate the man is repugnant.
Finally, "Welsh nationalists tend to be crackpots". That's your view, not a fact!
The Holocaust was a horrific time, and many people had to make excruciating choices to ensure their survival. I think it is wrong to fling allegations around and call people Nazis just to support a view whether left right or nationalist.
Anyway Hitler's Children was a good interesting programme!
Fri May 17, 2019 8:18 am
BlueGog wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Simple solution to this..split Wales, the Gognats have the Welsh speaking north, we keep the English speaking south...
March around Wrexham all day long..
Everyone’s a winner...
Think you'll find that more speak Welsh in Cardiff that in the north. I believe it's 28% now.
1975 - 1 Welsh primary schools; 2019 - 15 Welsh primary schools
Fri May 17, 2019 9:16 am
Lengee wrote:you are now trying to twist things and make me some sort of Nazi sympathisers. That is disgraceful.
The quote I made came from the Daily Telegraph. Hardly me putting a Junkers spin on the facts!. when I looked at the Soros allegations they include showing him in an SS uniform when it has been proved to be Oscar Groening an Aushwitz officer, and when he was 9 at the outbreak of war.
When someone challenges your "facts", it doesn't occur to you that you might be wrong! It's easier to Ignore them, move the goalposts, and try the "you aren't as old and as knowledgeable as me routine".
You try to use untrue" facts" relating to Ww2 so how can anyone trust your comments on Welsh history and the Welsh language! Without referring back I think you labelled Welsh Nationalists as a few nutters who grew their hair long and met in a hill in Pembrokeshire. Quite amusing but hardly fair or accurate.
As for your predictions that Wales could not survive as an independent country - I don't know, - but you do not have a good track record future outcomes.....10th position springs to mind!
Cymru am byth!
Fri May 17, 2019 9:17 am
BlueGog wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Lengee wrote:Thank you for your comments Andysince76. They seem fair enough. However I certainly have not labelled anyone as a vile Nazi.
By the way, I watched a programme about descendants of the top Nazis on BBC 4 and it was very thought provoking and emotional. Worth watching on iplayer.
A stark reminder of where narrow minded racist nationalism can lead given strong leaders preaching hate in troubled economic times.
Of course we can bank on the BBC to have an unbiased view of things. Funny how they did not report last nights attempts in Merthyr to stop people getting to the Farage meeting by remainers who blocked the road, obviously these were people who do not believe in free speech.
Looks like the Merthyr rally was a bit of a non-event! Compare it with last Saturdays independence march in Cardiff, oh and by the way the BBC didn't report that either!
Fri May 17, 2019 9:38 am
BlueGog wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Simple solution to this..split Wales, the Gognats have the Welsh speaking north, we keep the English speaking south...
March around Wrexham all day long..
Everyone’s a winner...
Think you'll find that more speak Welsh in Cardiff that in the north. I believe it's 28% now.
1975 - 1 Welsh primary schools; 2019 - 15 Welsh primary schools
Fri May 17, 2019 11:10 am
murphy wrote:BlueGog wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Simple solution to this..split Wales, the Gognats have the Welsh speaking north, we keep the English speaking south...
March around Wrexham all day long..
Everyone’s a winner...
Think you'll find that more speak Welsh in Cardiff that in the north. I believe it's 28% now.
1975 - 1 Welsh primary schools; 2019 - 15 Welsh primary schools
Fri May 17, 2019 11:17 am