WelshPatriot wrote:Personally been thinking about this myself lately as it seems everyone loves a label these days.
I've narrowed it down to me being just right of centre.
RV Casual wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Personally been thinking about this myself lately as it seems everyone loves a label these days.
I've narrowed it down to me being just right of centre.
Think I'm probably the same mate, what does my head in is that those on either of the other sides scream so loud the majority get forgotten, both think they are right and have zero respect for everyone else they can't even see it that's how warped its all become.
welshrarebit wrote:I'll be criticised for this but traditionally you would have been conservative. But not THIS conservative.
The problem we have in this country is many of us are centre right in our politics. The problem is we only have the conservative party who really occupy that ground.
All of the other parties are left of centre, even the lib Dems who purport to be centre. They are mostly centre but left leaning fiscally.
The conservative party are crap but who else do we have to vote for?!
It's a major problem with first past the post.
I'd consider myself centre right with similar attitudes as you. Perhaps libertarian. But they don't have any candidates near me and ukip pretend to be but really aren't
We need a massive overhaul to give those of us that would never vote for socialist parties someone to vote for.
WelshPatriot wrote:It's true....if your centric or just centreright who do you vote for?
I'm from a huge working class family, the local labour club was our second home....my father was staunch labour.
He would never vote to put Corbyn into power but look at the options, all crap.
welshrarebit wrote:Those imaginary super rich that live on everyone's street!
If we had that many super rich I doubt we would be relying on Malaysians,Saudis, Americans Chinese and any other non British person to bankroll top football clubs in the UK.
T1JMO wrote:"I don't believe in taxing the rich more to give to the poor"
My friend you are more Conservative than Labour put it that way.
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:I can remember politics from the mid 1970's and it generally goes like this - Labour are in power - they tax too much, spend too much, waste too much and want to give everyone pay rises that they cant afford - the result is the economy is screwed.
Then the Conservatives get in and try and fix the mess by taxinging less, spending less, trying to keep a lid on things - it's usually successful - but people get p1ssed off and when they have the chance they vote Labour back in. That is roughly the long and short of - not ignoring an illegal war and selling all the gold we had at a stupidly low price.
This rinse and repeat politics has been going on ever since. If you are earning £1000 a month and spending £1500 - then you're in DEFICIT and each month your are £500 more in DEBT than you were the month before. In my mind - this always needs to be addressed - but takes years to slowly balance it (that has been the last 10 years I think).
Add in a new dynamic of Brexit and the left / right swing is totally out of sync. You have Labour and Tory voters split down the brexit line. You are a conservative brexit supporter - then a vote for the brexit party - will now help Corbyn get in No 10 - and if you are a Labour remain supporter - then voting Lib Dem will probably mean Labour wont in in your constituency.
Which is why both Labour and Conservative need to 100% get their Brexit policy in order. Leave with Deal, Leave with No Deal or revoke Article 50 and remain.
I think I would have another referendum - but make it a proportional representative one. So you get 3 options and you vote No Deal, Deal on Table or Revoke article 50. You vote for your 1st and 2nd preferences, count the votes, ditch the 3rd place decision and recount those 3rd place votes and add their second option to the first count. That way you please more of the people.
smakerzthebluebird wrote:ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:I can remember politics from the mid 1970's and it generally goes like this - Labour are in power - they tax too much, spend too much, waste too much and want to give everyone pay rises that they cant afford - the result is the economy is screwed.
Then the Conservatives get in and try and fix the mess by taxinging less, spending less, trying to keep a lid on things - it's usually successful - but people get p1ssed off and when they have the chance they vote Labour back in. That is roughly the long and short of - not ignoring an illegal war and selling all the gold we had at a stupidly low price.
This rinse and repeat politics has been going on ever since. If you are earning £1000 a month and spending £1500 - then you're in DEFICIT and each month your are £500 more in DEBT than you were the month before. In my mind - this always needs to be addressed - but takes years to slowly balance it (that has been the last 10 years I think).
Add in a new dynamic of Brexit and the left / right swing is totally out of sync. You have Labour and Tory voters split down the brexit line. You are a conservative brexit supporter - then a vote for the brexit party - will now help Corbyn get in No 10 - and if you are a Labour remain supporter - then voting Lib Dem will probably mean Labour wont in in your constituency.
Which is why both Labour and Conservative need to 100% get their Brexit policy in order. Leave with Deal, Leave with No Deal or revoke Article 50 and remain.
I think I would have another referendum - but make it a proportional representative one. So you get 3 options and you vote No Deal, Deal on Table or Revoke article 50. You vote for your 1st and 2nd preferences, count the votes, ditch the 3rd place decision and recount those 3rd place votes and add their second option to the first count. That way you please more of the people.
Are you mental?
You do realise that between 1998 and 2010 labour actually only rose national debt by around 700m with almost 3/4 of that coming from bailing out northern rock and rbs due to the American housing market crash, had they not propped them up then we could have seen a far worse recession than we did since then in 9 years the tories have falsely made claims that they have reduced the debt, no they haven’t it’s actually gone up over 1bn since they took power, they have reduced the yearly deficit ever so slightly by completely destroying the public services through cuts and falsifying unemployment figures with hundreds of thousand of zero hour contracts
They have zero clue how economics works they tried to cut their way out of a recession and as result cut confidence of consumers lowered the amount of people in the country earning the average national wage which resulted in absolutely awful growth between 2010 and 2018 I still don’t think the country has moved on from the 2008 housing crash now
We are in a far worse position now than other economies involved in that crash America for example spent their way through it and had double and triple our growth between 2010 and 2015 we also undefperformed prior to Brecht against nearly all the EU STATES that we usually outperform
And to put it into context 2010 saw more growth here prior to the radical budget cuts that Tories imposed when they took power than 2011 after the cuts, in no economics guru but it’s a well documented fact that creating public sector jobs and encouraging spending with the public is the best way out of recession not the opposite
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:WHo was it that de regulated the banks after a meeting with Alan Greenspan ? - Gordon Brown and Ed Balls "the light touch on the tilla" of financial services. I think this was just after he sold all the gold for peanuts.
An interesting watch [https://youtu.be/OxYsPfCAvr0
You have to get rid of the deficit before you start looking at the debt - but hey this is just my opinion - based on the last 50 years. Corbyn today is what Labour would have been if Kinnock had not have sorted out Militant Tendency.
As it stands there is no viable opposition to a pretty shambolic Govt
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Probably best for welshies to either not vote conservative/ vote for a non brexit wanting party (unless you want to make yourself poorer)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 52186.html
dogfound wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Probably best for welshies to either not vote conservative/ vote for a non brexit wanting party (unless you want to make yourself poorer)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 52186.html
yes its a study by people who have campaigned for remain and a second vote..study based on what exactly is unclear..probably just studied posts by you and dave..
at least youve stopped me wondering who exactly reads this type article and swallows it...
CCFCJosh75 wrote:dogfound wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Probably best for welshies to either not vote conservative/ vote for a non brexit wanting party (unless you want to make yourself poorer)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 52186.html
yes its a study by people who have campaigned for remain and a second vote..study based on what exactly is unclear..probably just studied posts by you and dave..
at least youve stopped me wondering who exactly reads this type article and swallows it...
If you actually read the article it does tell you about the study and what it's based on. I would like to read the list you appear to have of all the people involved in the study and their voting habits though (I'll assume you don't have one and made that bit up).
At least you've stopped me wondering about the phrase 'turkeys voting for Christmas'
dogfound wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:dogfound wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Probably best for welshies to either not vote conservative/ vote for a non brexit wanting party (unless you want to make yourself poorer)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 52186.html
yes its a study by people who have campaigned for remain and a second vote..study based on what exactly is unclear..probably just studied posts by you and dave..
at least youve stopped me wondering who exactly reads this type article and swallows it...
If you actually read the article it does tell you about the study and what it's based on. I would like to read the list you appear to have of all the people involved in the study and their voting habits though (I'll assume you don't have one and made that bit up).
At least you've stopped me wondering about the phrase 'turkeys voting for Christmas'
ive seen the list, read the article, its based on an assumption not on a single fact, or source, or document..
as for voting,,i didnt vote..because i couldnt find enough genuine info , it was all articles like this one that take 10 seconds maybe to come to the conclusion its rubbish..its as bad as the these 2 pricks thread tbh ..
not sure if your THE most gullible person in our country or just a wind up..
CCFCJosh75 wrote:dogfound wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:dogfound wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Probably best for welshies to either not vote conservative/ vote for a non brexit wanting party (unless you want to make yourself poorer)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 52186.html
yes its a study by people who have campaigned for remain and a second vote..study based on what exactly is unclear..probably just studied posts by you and dave..
at least youve stopped me wondering who exactly reads this type article and swallows it...
If you actually read the article it does tell you about the study and what it's based on. I would like to read the list you appear to have of all the people involved in the study and their voting habits though (I'll assume you don't have one and made that bit up).
At least you've stopped me wondering about the phrase 'turkeys voting for Christmas'
ive seen the list, read the article, its based on an assumption not on a single fact, or source, or document..
as for voting,,i didnt vote..because i couldnt find enough genuine info , it was all articles like this one that take 10 seconds maybe to come to the conclusion its rubbish..its as bad as the these 2 pricks thread tbh ..
not sure if your THE most gullible person in our country or just a wind up..
A) Can I have a look at the list then please
B) it's based on the UK losing the EU structural fund, it's a fact that we get money, it's a fact that brexit means we won't get it, it's a fact that the conservatives won't suddenly change policy and give billions of pounds to areas which they've been cancelling funding for for years.
C) Every single plan is based on assumptions, every single thing in the universe has to be based on an assumption.
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