Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:54 pm
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:07 pm
Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:Can't believe how stupid FA and football league authorities are to allow clubs to sell their grounds in the first place.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49600851
Villa, Derby, Sheff Weds and Reading all at it.
What possible good can come from it? Can't repeat the process next time club needs cash. As for valuation, who else would buy it if football club weren't tenant? The odd rugby club might be big enough to want such a venue but who would buy Derby's ground for similar use? Forrest, Burton?
Its a nonsense and can only lead to future financial issues for the clubs concerned and I can't believe its within the rules.
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:18 pm
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:24 pm
Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:New territory Pembroke, we are almost agreeing I think!
Ground ownership should be club or council and no one else. Can't be retrospective but sooner clubs can't sell their ground in this way the better and if there was a way clubs that have clearly done this to bypass FFP rules are made to buy back better still. Its wealthy owners accountants and money men taking football for a ride whilst no doubt taking a cut.
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:24 am
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:29 am
PtB wrote:This is one of the many things that happened to us at Clydebank back in the mid 90s. I've banged on about it for years but the truth is - those at the top don't care.
It ultimately led to our demise. The owner(The Steedman family, of over 30 years I may add), promised us a new stadium on the outskirts of town modelled on the new stadium at Glanford Park. Kilbowie Park was sold to a developer and land was purchased on the outskirts of town but planning permission denied.
Two years later he sold the club to a businessman who tried several times to relocate the club including a move to Dublin and a 'merger' with Carlisle that would have allowed them into the Scottish League. By 2002 we were on our knees playing 40 miles from home and crowds had dropped by 80% before he sold us to the bloke who had failed to keep Airdrie alive and in effect we were franchised and Airdrie had a new club. All the while, the Steedman family retained the land the club had bought for the new build that still lies vacant more than 20 years on. They had also retained the money from the original land sale and moved lock stock and barrel to the USA.
The Airdrie bloke then gained seats at the top table of the Scottish Football League and the SFA over the years. That kind of tells you everything about those at the top of the structures!
That's the short version!
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:34 am
pembroke allan wrote:PtB wrote:This is one of the many things that happened to us at Clydebank back in the mid 90s. I've banged on about it for years but the truth is - those at the top don't care.
It ultimately led to our demise. The owner(The Steedman family, of over 30 years I may add), promised us a new stadium on the outskirts of town modelled on the new stadium at Glanford Park. Kilbowie Park was sold to a developer and land was purchased on the outskirts of town but planning permission denied.
Two years later he sold the club to a businessman who tried several times to relocate the club including a move to Dublin and a 'merger' with Carlisle that would have allowed them into the Scottish League. By 2002 we were on our knees playing 40 miles from home and crowds had dropped by 80% before he sold us to the bloke who had failed to keep Airdrie alive and in effect we were franchised and Airdrie had a new club. All the while, the Steedman family retained the land the club had bought for the new build that still lies vacant more than 20 years on. They had also retained the money from the original land sale and moved lock stock and barrel to the USA.
The Airdrie bloke then gained seats at the top table of the Scottish Football League and the SFA over the years. That kind of tells you everything about those at the top of the structures!
That's the short version!
Someone doesn't care or havent learned lessons of the clubs effected by these sharp practices? No doubt the practice of owners buying their ground should be stopped! Lucky it cannot happen at city unless council in on the scam....
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:51 am
PtB wrote:pembroke allan wrote:PtB wrote:This is one of the many things that happened to us at Clydebank back in the mid 90s. I've banged on about it for years but the truth is - those at the top don't care.
It ultimately led to our demise. The owner(The Steedman family, of over 30 years I may add), promised us a new stadium on the outskirts of town modelled on the new stadium at Glanford Park. Kilbowie Park was sold to a developer and land was purchased on the outskirts of town but planning permission denied.
Two years later he sold the club to a businessman who tried several times to relocate the club including a move to Dublin and a 'merger' with Carlisle that would have allowed them into the Scottish League. By 2002 we were on our knees playing 40 miles from home and crowds had dropped by 80% before he sold us to the bloke who had failed to keep Airdrie alive and in effect we were franchised and Airdrie had a new club. All the while, the Steedman family retained the land the club had bought for the new build that still lies vacant more than 20 years on. They had also retained the money from the original land sale and moved lock stock and barrel to the USA.
The Airdrie bloke then gained seats at the top table of the Scottish Football League and the SFA over the years. That kind of tells you everything about those at the top of the structures!
That's the short version!
Someone doesn't care or havent learned lessons of the clubs effected by these sharp practices? No doubt the practice of owners buying their ground should be stopped! Lucky it cannot happen at city unless council in on the scam....
I'm more inclined to go down the don't are route as these things keep happening and no lessons are learned. Some of the conversations we had with governing bodies at the time and what actually happened thereafter were so far apart you couldn't make it up.
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:22 pm