CCFCJosh75 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:Sorry to disappoint Tony but project fear is now is now redundant as its quickly becoming project reality,however,this is how I see it.
We make a lot of money net out of the EU regardless of contributions,thats a fact and not open to question.I voted remain but do accept the result,however,I don't think many want to leave without a deal.For Rees-Mogg and his cronies the question is not whats best for this country but a slavish adherence to very old Tory doctrine.They don't even command the majority of conservatives never mind a working parliamentary party.I understand your point of view as I know from your past postings that immigration is a cornerstone of your argument but that won't change even after brexit so you can't blame or chastise those who do not want the cliff edge version.
I would like to see an end to freedom of movement. FoM causes many social problems including homelessness and wage restraint which any good socialist should be against.
Any evidence whatsoever for the homeless point?
The UK population is increasing by 300,000 per year (net). A City the size of Cardiff needs to be built every year to keep up with the housing needs of the UK and that is simply not happening. Walk through Cardiff, Newport or Swansea City Centres and see the dozens of homeless people who can't find accommodation as a result. If you really believe that uncontrolled immigration and homelessness have no link then that is up to you but frankly it is delusional.
There's been homelessness for thousands of years before the EU came into existence, I'm asking for evidence of a causal link between freedom of movement and homelessness.
Number of people sleeping rough in UK in one night in 2018 is estimated at 4,677
This is down on 2017 figures by 74 people (2%), but is up on 2010 figures by 2,909 people (165%)
Number of UK nationals in 2018 was 3,013 which is 64% of the total homeless in 2018. This is a decrease of 318 people (11%) since 2017
Number of EU nationals homeless in the UK increased from 760 in 2017 to 1,048 which is 22% of the total homeless in 2018. This is a 38% increase since 2017
Number of non UK/EU nationals was 153 in 2018 which is 3% of the total. This is down by 40 people, a 21% decrease since 2017.
This would suggest that whilst homelessness is of course not solely down to EU freedom of movement laws, it certainly does play a significant part in the equation as EU homelessness is rising year-on-year whilst homelessness amongst UK and non EU/UK nationals is declining.
Statistics are from the Ministry of Housing and Communities & Local Government's rough sleeping statistics Autumn 2018 for England I'm not sure if it includes Wales in the statistics though (but would anticipate that they would be similar if not)
Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... utumn-2018