Forever Blue wrote:I have said from day one, they make fortunes and should take some responsibility
Igovernor wrote:Forever Blue wrote:I have said from day one, they make fortunes and should take some responsibility
Annis I have first hand experience of care homes, and have to say that there are care homes out there charging a lot more than the £2k a week, also what most people do not realise is that the nursing care part of the fees are paid by the NHS, so the money that care homes get is on top of the fees they charge.
NHS-funded nursing care is care provided by a registered nurse for people who live in a care home. The NHS will pay a flat rate contribution directly to the care home towards the cost of this registered nursing care.
Forever Blue wrote:Igovernor wrote:Forever Blue wrote:I have said from day one, they make fortunes and should take some responsibility
Annis I have first hand experience of care homes, and have to say that there are care homes out there charging a lot more than the £2k a week, also what most people do not realise is that the nursing care part of the fees are paid by the NHS, so the money that care homes get is on top of the fees they charge.
NHS-funded nursing care is care provided by a registered nurse for people who live in a care home. The NHS will pay a flat rate contribution directly to the care home towards the cost of this registered nursing care.
Thanks Roger for updating me
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:NOT all nurses in care homes are paid for the by the NHS. It depends on the needs of the individual patient / person.
Refering to any registered nurse who gives nursing/medical care for carehome patients who work for the carehome and not the nhs, is why I stated that the nhs pays for nursing care direct to the care home, and it is their duty to supply ppe It is another matter when a registered nurse comes from the local surgery, they are paid by the surgery and therfore any ppe comes out of the surgery's budget at the end of the day the nhs pays. At the end of the day if medical nursing care is required then the NHS pays for it.
There is certainly a business model available that means a company can domicile themselves abroad and pay very little tax. There is a company that supply carers from Romania - that come and live in - usually for 3 week periods. The company charge about 140 a day - of which the carer gets about half.
Anyway - that's another matter. If the nurse is an NHS employed nurse - then PPE now needs to be supplied - by the NHS. Anyone else working for the care home, will have it provided by the care home company (if they can actually find any PPE that is - the Chinese have bought most of it)
You will find that
Post Covid rules need to come in that means the Govt only helps out companies in the UK that pay their fair share of tax.
Furloughed workers to have their tax threshold code lowered so over the next 10 years it is paid back via the tax system.
If you have someone on 45k a year who is furloughed and being paid 80% of their wages. This money needs to be repaid at some stage. It should not be collected in the form of taxes from a nurse that worked throughout this pandemic.
TopCat CCFC wrote:Over 12,000 Covid deaths in England and Wales care homes
Official figures show that 12,256 residents of care homes in England and Wales died with Covid-19 mentioned on their death certificates.
That's more than a third higher than previously quoted figures - because some of the residents were admitted to hospital before they died, and so were counted in the main hospital statistics.
The figures from the Office for National Statistics cover the period between 2 March and 1 May. They provide the most extensive picture yet of the damage done by coronavirus in the social care system.
Covid-19 became the leading cause of death for men in care homes and the second leading cause for women.
In total, there were 45,889 deaths of care home residents, more than a quarter of which involved coronavirus.
agree friends elderly parent died in a care home, no test but covid mention on the death certificate, had loads of health problems and was on end of life careIgovernor wrote:TopCat CCFC wrote:Over 12,000 Covid deaths in England and Wales care homes
Official figures show that 12,256 residents of care homes in England and Wales died with Covid-19 mentioned on their death certificates.
That's more than a third higher than previously quoted figures - because some of the residents were admitted to hospital before they died, and so were counted in the main hospital statistics.
The figures from the Office for National Statistics cover the period between 2 March and 1 May. They provide the most extensive picture yet of the damage done by coronavirus in the social care system.
Covid-19 became the leading cause of death for men in care homes and the second leading cause for women.
In total, there were 45,889 deaths of care home residents, more than a quarter of which involved coronavirus.
Only one problem hereTC, is that if the care home residents who died were not tested for Covid19 then the doctor who filled out the death certificate can only guess that it was Covid19!
Foghorn65 wrote:Care homes and testing only available if the home has more than 50 people?
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:NOT all nurses in care homes are paid for the by the NHS. It depends on the needs of the individual patient / person.
There is certainly a business model available that means a company can domicile themselves abroad and pay very little tax. There is a company that supply carers from Romania - that come and live in - usually for 3 week periods. The company charge about 140 a day - of which the carer gets about half.
Anyway - that's another matter. If the nurse is an NHS employed nurse - then PPE now needs to be supplied - by the NHS. Anyone else working for the care home, will have it provided by the care home company (if they can actually find any PPE that is - the Chinese have bought most of it)
Post Covid rules need to come in that means the Govt only helps out companies in the UK that pay their fair share of tax.
Furloughed workers to have their tax threshold code lowered so over the next 10 years it is paid back via the tax system.
If you have someone on 45k a year who is furloughed and being paid 80% of their wages. This money needs to be repaid at some stage. It should not be collected in the form of taxes from a nurse that worked throughout this pandemic.
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:Just to clarify - my argument was that if you have been furloughed and you are on the max on 2,500 a month in furlough money then when it comes to how this money will be clawed back - it should not come from tax rises on nurses or anyone else that worked through the crisis. If you were furloughed then your tax code needs to change so that you pay it back over 10 years.
If nurses that work in care homes are bank nurses - then you are correct - it is hope to nursing home to provide the PPE. As a nurse doing bank work - they have a right to say no thanks - especially if the care home doesnt provide ppe.
Hopefully after all this - there will be light shone on care homes and the way they operate. Throughout all of this emergency - the Govt should only provide furlough assistance etc to companies that are domiciled in the UK and pay the a fair share of tax, companies like Starbucks - amazon - Google, Apple, McDonalds, WHSmith, Nestle etc etc etc
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