Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:06 am
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:28 am
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:15 pm
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:17 pm
llantrisantblue1927 wrote:One thing I have never understood about Hillsborough is how the Liverpool fans were said to be blameless. That match was all ticket, and the amount of tickets that were issued would have been enough for the capacity of the ground. Hillsborough used to hold many big games at the time, yet no other match held there had any crushing at all.
Common sense would tell me the fact that there were so many people crushed in that end would be because there were far to many people in the end than it was designed to hold. But if there were only a certain number of tickets issued, how come that was the case. Obviously in many eyes there were too many people without tickets there, and we are not talking about one or two here, but thousands.
And yet the Scousers have the nerve to put the blame firmly on one or two coppers for not doing their job properly, and not accept any responsibility whatsoever. If they had come out and said we are partly responsible because the people who had turned up without tickets should never have been there in the first place, I would have some respect for them for at least acknowledging their part in it all. But nothing has come from them at all except blaming everybody else.
Detest the club.
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:22 pm
skidemin wrote:llantrisantblue1927 wrote:One thing I have never understood about Hillsborough is how the Liverpool fans were said to be blameless. That match was all ticket, and the amount of tickets that were issued would have been enough for the capacity of the ground. Hillsborough used to hold many big games at the time, yet no other match held there had any crushing at all.
Common sense would tell me the fact that there were so many people crushed in that end would be because there were far to many people in the end than it was designed to hold. But if there were only a certain number of tickets issued, how come that was the case. Obviously in many eyes there were too many people without tickets there, and we are not talking about one or two here, but thousands.
And yet the Scousers have the nerve to put the blame firmly on one or two coppers for not doing their job properly, and not accept any responsibility whatsoever. If they had come out and said we are partly responsible because the people who had turned up without tickets should never have been there in the first place, I would have some respect for them for at least acknowledging their part in it all. But nothing has come from them at all except blaming everybody else.
Detest the club.
although I agree with much of your post ..Hillsborough did have previous.. I was working in London and got talked into going there for a Spurs v Wolves semi.....the game was never reported as a crushing incident because of the charge across the pitch at half time { which meant back then it was simply chalked down to hooligans..} but it was 100% crushing ,we were like sardines....and if you look at the clip there was no crowd disorder until half time..it was people struggling to breathe...
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sp ... &FORM=VIRE
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:25 pm
Citysince72 wrote:skidemin wrote:llantrisantblue1927 wrote:One thing I have never understood about Hillsborough is how the Liverpool fans were said to be blameless. That match was all ticket, and the amount of tickets that were issued would have been enough for the capacity of the ground. Hillsborough used to hold many big games at the time, yet no other match held there had any crushing at all.
Common sense would tell me the fact that there were so many people crushed in that end would be because there were far to many people in the end than it was designed to hold. But if there were only a certain number of tickets issued, how come that was the case. Obviously in many eyes there were too many people without tickets there, and we are not talking about one or two here, but thousands.
And yet the Scousers have the nerve to put the blame firmly on one or two coppers for not doing their job properly, and not accept any responsibility whatsoever. If they had come out and said we are partly responsible because the people who had turned up without tickets should never have been there in the first place, I would have some respect for them for at least acknowledging their part in it all. But nothing has come from them at all except blaming everybody else.
Detest the club.
although I agree with much of your post ..Hillsborough did have previous.. I was working in London and got talked into going there for a Spurs v Wolves semi.....the game was never reported as a crushing incident because of the charge across the pitch at half time { which meant back then it was simply chalked down to hooligans..} but it was 100% crushing ,we were like sardines....and if you look at the clip there was no crowd disorder until half time..it was people struggling to breathe...
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sp ... &FORM=VIRE
I agree mate, it was a bad decision to house Liverpool fans there
And most football fans in that day travelled ticketless to sold out games to
But,
simple fact is if thousands of ticketless fans didn't charge in it wouldn't have happened.
Regardless of any prior decision by the authorities, police etc
Nothing can prevent thousands of drunk ticketless fans charging in.
Blame has to lie with Liverpool fans for me
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:32 pm
skidemin wrote:Citysince72 wrote:skidemin wrote:llantrisantblue1927 wrote:One thing I have never understood about Hillsborough is how the Liverpool fans were said to be blameless. That match was all ticket, and the amount of tickets that were issued would have been enough for the capacity of the ground. Hillsborough used to hold many big games at the time, yet no other match held there had any crushing at all.
Common sense would tell me the fact that there were so many people crushed in that end would be because there were far to many people in the end than it was designed to hold. But if there were only a certain number of tickets issued, how come that was the case. Obviously in many eyes there were too many people without tickets there, and we are not talking about one or two here, but thousands.
And yet the Scousers have the nerve to put the blame firmly on one or two coppers for not doing their job properly, and not accept any responsibility whatsoever. If they had come out and said we are partly responsible because the people who had turned up without tickets should never have been there in the first place, I would have some respect for them for at least acknowledging their part in it all. But nothing has come from them at all except blaming everybody else.
Detest the club.
although I agree with much of your post ..Hillsborough did have previous.. I was working in London and got talked into going there for a Spurs v Wolves semi.....the game was never reported as a crushing incident because of the charge across the pitch at half time { which meant back then it was simply chalked down to hooligans..} but it was 100% crushing ,we were like sardines....and if you look at the clip there was no crowd disorder until half time..it was people struggling to breathe...
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sp ... &FORM=VIRE
I agree mate, it was a bad decision to house Liverpool fans there
And most football fans in that day travelled ticketless to sold out games to
But,
simple fact is if thousands of ticketless fans didn't charge in it wouldn't have happened.
Regardless of any prior decision by the authorities, police etc
Nothing can prevent thousands of drunk ticketless fans charging in.
Blame has to lie with Liverpool fans for me
have to say that looking at the footage from the Liverpool game, there seemed to be far more scousers than there had been Spurs... but if you look at the link its clear there was crushing in the Spurs game...
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:45 pm
Citysince72 wrote:skidemin wrote:Citysince72 wrote:skidemin wrote:llantrisantblue1927 wrote:One thing I have never understood about Hillsborough is how the Liverpool fans were said to be blameless. That match was all ticket, and the amount of tickets that were issued would have been enough for the capacity of the ground. Hillsborough used to hold many big games at the time, yet no other match held there had any crushing at all.
Common sense would tell me the fact that there were so many people crushed in that end would be because there were far to many people in the end than it was designed to hold. But if there were only a certain number of tickets issued, how come that was the case. Obviously in many eyes there were too many people without tickets there, and we are not talking about one or two here, but thousands.
And yet the Scousers have the nerve to put the blame firmly on one or two coppers for not doing their job properly, and not accept any responsibility whatsoever. If they had come out and said we are partly responsible because the people who had turned up without tickets should never have been there in the first place, I would have some respect for them for at least acknowledging their part in it all. But nothing has come from them at all except blaming everybody else.
Detest the club.
although I agree with much of your post ..Hillsborough did have previous.. I was working in London and got talked into going there for a Spurs v Wolves semi.....the game was never reported as a crushing incident because of the charge across the pitch at half time { which meant back then it was simply chalked down to hooligans..} but it was 100% crushing ,we were like sardines....and if you look at the clip there was no crowd disorder until half time..it was people struggling to breathe...
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sp ... &FORM=VIRE
I agree mate, it was a bad decision to house Liverpool fans there
And most football fans in that day travelled ticketless to sold out games to
But,
simple fact is if thousands of ticketless fans didn't charge in it wouldn't have happened.
Regardless of any prior decision by the authorities, police etc
Nothing can prevent thousands of drunk ticketless fans charging in.
Blame has to lie with Liverpool fans for me
have to say that looking at the footage from the Liverpool game, there seemed to be far more scousers than there had been Spurs... but if you look at the link its clear there was crushing in the Spurs game...
Yep agree
but I think there was quite a lot more Liverpool fans there that were ticketless
Its a horrible tragedy, no doubt about that.
But to attach blame away from Liverpool fans like Liverpool & the media have is shocking.
I remember the footage of the turnstiles that seems to have vanished and there was thousands trying to get in to that end.
No one could have stopped them
There was no intention from the fans to cause hurt, death i 100% agree on that
But there actions that day did cause the outcome
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:58 pm
Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:48 pm
Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:23 pm
llantrisantblue1927 wrote:Agree with you 100 per cent. They wanted the cop in charge Duckinfield I think his name was charged with manslaughter. The people who were in the ground that day without tickets, they are the ones who should hang their heads in shame and if anyone is guilty of manslaughter it is them.
Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:54 pm
llantrisantblue1927 wrote:Agree with you 100 per cent. They wanted the cop in charge Duckinfield I think his name was charged with manslaughter. The people who were in the ground that day without tickets, they are the ones who should hang their heads in shame and if anyone is guilty of manslaughter it is them.
Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:06 pm
skidemin wrote:llantrisantblue1927 wrote:Agree with you 100 per cent. They wanted the cop in charge Duckinfield I think his name was charged with manslaughter. The people who were in the ground that day without tickets, they are the ones who should hang their heads in shame and if anyone is guilty of manslaughter it is them.
defo those without tickets but also many who had tickets contributed... how people that pushed and shoved to gain entry into an obviously already over crowded pen resulting in the deaths of people can absolve themselves of any blame at all beats me. every time this topic comes up it makes me think how I could have on another day been one of the dead , and also how I could have been one of those pushing at the back... awful day for football which resulted in football being a much safer environment { not that I saw it as dangerous back then } but I don't think the campaign in Liverpool achieves anything..
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:28 pm
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:40 pm
Norris ninian wrote:Mmmmmmm rules? Hitler made them too
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:44 pm
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:46 pm
Norris ninian wrote:Mmmmmmm rules? Hitler made them too
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:14 am
llantrisantblue1927 wrote:In 1981 the cup semi final between Spurs & Wolves at Hillsborough, 38 fans were injured due to crushing caused at the Leppings Lane end. Result of this was Spurs fans had to sit on the perimeter of the pitch during the game. After years & years of enquiries & official cover ups, people find its still easier to blame the Liverpool fans. Over the years we as Cardiff fans have continually had a terrible reputation for our behaviour, some of it justified most of it not. The simple fact is each club, or city has their idiots that are not representative of the many.
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There were a whole host of reasons behind Hillsborough and there were failings on a lot of sides including the coppers AND the Liverpool fans. I don't find it is easier to blame the Liverpool fans in entirety, but they played a part in it, how anyone can say they didn't is beyond me. Not according to them though, totally innocent. In their eyes it is perfectly ok to turn up in droves at a ground without a ticket and try and get in and blame the resulting consequences on other people.
Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:12 am
Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:54 am
Fairblue27 wrote:Lots of opinions in this thread being quoted as statements of facts in relation to Hillsborough that simply regurgitate the myths that have evolved since the disaster.
The Hillsborough inquiry that exhaustively went through all the evidence found that fans were unlawfully killed, that is a fact.
It also dispelled, ' Liverpool fans arrived late without tickets' 'Drunken fans caused the disaster' ' Supporters forced the gates' 'Hooliganism was the root cause'.
I have no particular affinity to Liverpool but the evidence about Hillsborough is out there for all to see, you just need to google it.
Why was there crushing at the 1981 Cup semi final at Hillsborough, was that caused by drunken Spurs fans turning up late without tickets?
People prefer to churn out the same old tired answers because it fits the narrative of dirty scumbag scousers that the opening post seems to want. And that the disaster only occurred because it was Liverpool who were involved and wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved. A theory which is pretty much the reworking of the editorials of gutter press at the time, create a stereotype and stick to it.
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:18 am
BLUECHUGGY wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Lots of opinions in this thread being quoted as statements of facts in relation to Hillsborough that simply regurgitate the myths that have evolved since the disaster.
The Hillsborough inquiry that exhaustively went through all the evidence found that fans were unlawfully killed, that is a fact.
It also dispelled, ' Liverpool fans arrived late without tickets' 'Drunken fans caused the disaster' ' Supporters forced the gates' 'Hooliganism was the root cause'.
I have no particular affinity to Liverpool but the evidence about Hillsborough is out there for all to see, you just need to google it.
Why was there crushing at the 1981 Cup semi final at Hillsborough, was that caused by drunken Spurs fans turning up late without tickets?
People prefer to churn out the same old tired answers because it fits the narrative of dirty scumbag scousers that the opening post seems to want. And that the disaster only occurred because it was Liverpool who were involved and wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved. A theory which is pretty much the reworking of the editorials of gutter press at the time, create a stereotype and stick to it.
The disaster occurred because of liverpool fans, nottingham forest fans were at the other end of the ground and how many of their own fans did they kill NONE, when its said that this wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved, lots of teams have played at hillsborough in semi finals and not one of them has killed their own fans fact
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:35 am
Citysince72 wrote:BLUECHUGGY wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Lots of opinions in this thread being quoted as statements of facts in relation to Hillsborough that simply regurgitate the myths that have evolved since the disaster.
The Hillsborough inquiry that exhaustively went through all the evidence found that fans were unlawfully killed, that is a fact.
It also dispelled, ' Liverpool fans arrived late without tickets' 'Drunken fans caused the disaster' ' Supporters forced the gates' 'Hooliganism was the root cause'.
I have no particular affinity to Liverpool but the evidence about Hillsborough is out there for all to see, you just need to google it.
Why was there crushing at the 1981 Cup semi final at Hillsborough, was that caused by drunken Spurs fans turning up late without tickets?
People prefer to churn out the same old tired answers because it fits the narrative of dirty scumbag scousers that the opening post seems to want. And that the disaster only occurred because it was Liverpool who were involved and wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved. A theory which is pretty much the reworking of the editorials of gutter press at the time, create a stereotype and stick to it.
The disaster occurred because of liverpool fans, nottingham forest fans were at the other end of the ground and how many of their own fans did they kill NONE, when its said that this wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved, lots of teams have played at hillsborough in semi finals and not one of them has killed their own fans fact
Can't argue with that.
How anyone doesn't blame Liverpool fans is beyond belief
Liverpool fans 100% to blame, fact
Simple fact is, if thousands of there drunk ticketless fans didn't turn up and charge in
Hillsboro would never have happened
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:36 am
Citysince72 wrote:BLUECHUGGY wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Lots of opinions in this thread being quoted as statements of facts in relation to Hillsborough that simply regurgitate the myths that have evolved since the disaster.
The Hillsborough inquiry that exhaustively went through all the evidence found that fans were unlawfully killed, that is a fact.
It also dispelled, ' Liverpool fans arrived late without tickets' 'Drunken fans caused the disaster' ' Supporters forced the gates' 'Hooliganism was the root cause'.
I have no particular affinity to Liverpool but the evidence about Hillsborough is out there for all to see, you just need to google it.
Why was there crushing at the 1981 Cup semi final at Hillsborough, was that caused by drunken Spurs fans turning up late without tickets?
People prefer to churn out the same old tired answers because it fits the narrative of dirty scumbag scousers that the opening post seems to want. And that the disaster only occurred because it was Liverpool who were involved and wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved. A theory which is pretty much the reworking of the editorials of gutter press at the time, create a stereotype and stick to it.
The disaster occurred because of liverpool fans, nottingham forest fans were at the other end of the ground and how many of their own fans did they kill NONE, when its said that this wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved, lots of teams have played at hillsborough in semi finals and not one of them has killed their own fans fact
Can't argue with that.
How anyone doesn't blame Liverpool fans is beyond belief
Liverpool fans 100% to blame, fact
Simple fact is, if thousands of there drunk ticketless fans didn't turn up and charge in
Hillsboro would never have happened
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:08 pm
Jock wrote:Citysince72 wrote:BLUECHUGGY wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Lots of opinions in this thread being quoted as statements of facts in relation to Hillsborough that simply regurgitate the myths that have evolved since the disaster.
The Hillsborough inquiry that exhaustively went through all the evidence found that fans were unlawfully killed, that is a fact.
It also dispelled, ' Liverpool fans arrived late without tickets' 'Drunken fans caused the disaster' ' Supporters forced the gates' 'Hooliganism was the root cause'.
I have no particular affinity to Liverpool but the evidence about Hillsborough is out there for all to see, you just need to google it.
Why was there crushing at the 1981 Cup semi final at Hillsborough, was that caused by drunken Spurs fans turning up late without tickets?
People prefer to churn out the same old tired answers because it fits the narrative of dirty scumbag scousers that the opening post seems to want. And that the disaster only occurred because it was Liverpool who were involved and wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved. A theory which is pretty much the reworking of the editorials of gutter press at the time, create a stereotype and stick to it.
The disaster occurred because of liverpool fans, nottingham forest fans were at the other end of the ground and how many of their own fans did they kill NONE, when its said that this wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved, lots of teams have played at hillsborough in semi finals and not one of them has killed their own fans fact
Can't argue with that.
How anyone doesn't blame Liverpool fans is beyond belief
Liverpool fans 100% to blame, fact
Simple fact is, if thousands of there drunk ticketless fans didn't turn up and charge in
Hillsboro would never have happened
I was at Celtic Park (Rangers v St Johnson SC SF) that day, with a poster from this board. A bad crush started and the Glasgow Police immediately opened the gates to another part of the ground, had they no acted so quickly l think lives would have been lost. South Yorkshire Police must bear a great deal of responsibility for the tragedy.
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:50 pm
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:51 pm
Citysince72 wrote:Jock wrote:Citysince72 wrote:BLUECHUGGY wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Lots of opinions in this thread being quoted as statements of facts in relation to Hillsborough that simply regurgitate the myths that have evolved since the disaster.
The Hillsborough inquiry that exhaustively went through all the evidence found that fans were unlawfully killed, that is a fact.
It also dispelled, ' Liverpool fans arrived late without tickets' 'Drunken fans caused the disaster' ' Supporters forced the gates' 'Hooliganism was the root cause'.
I have no particular affinity to Liverpool but the evidence about Hillsborough is out there for all to see, you just need to google it.
Why was there crushing at the 1981 Cup semi final at Hillsborough, was that caused by drunken Spurs fans turning up late without tickets?
People prefer to churn out the same old tired answers because it fits the narrative of dirty scumbag scousers that the opening post seems to want. And that the disaster only occurred because it was Liverpool who were involved and wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved. A theory which is pretty much the reworking of the editorials of gutter press at the time, create a stereotype and stick to it.
The disaster occurred because of liverpool fans, nottingham forest fans were at the other end of the ground and how many of their own fans did they kill NONE, when its said that this wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved, lots of teams have played at hillsborough in semi finals and not one of them has killed their own fans fact
Can't argue with that.
How anyone doesn't blame Liverpool fans is beyond belief
Liverpool fans 100% to blame, fact
Simple fact is, if thousands of there drunk ticketless fans didn't turn up and charge in
Hillsboro would never have happened
I was at Celtic Park (Rangers v St Johnson SC SF) that day, with a poster from this board. A bad crush started and the Glasgow Police immediately opened the gates to another part of the ground, had they no acted so quickly l think lives would have been lost. South Yorkshire Police must bear a great deal of responsibility for the tragedy.
I disagree totally
Simple fact is if thousands of drunk ticketless Liverpool fans didnt turn up and force there way in
Then it wouldn't have happened
How can you blame SYP
How were they to know thousands, with no tickets were hell bent on getting in at all costs would turn up
Police maybe at fault for not acting quicker, but at best that's a blame game from Liverpool
From what I remember they acted as quick as possible, them days were rife for trouble
So I think they had a huge amount to do without these idiots turning up with no tickets.
full blame is with Liverpool fans for me
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:55 pm
Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:19 pm
Citysince72 wrote:Jock wrote:Citysince72 wrote:BLUECHUGGY wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Lots of opinions in this thread being quoted as statements of facts in relation to Hillsborough that simply regurgitate the myths that have evolved since the disaster.
The Hillsborough inquiry that exhaustively went through all the evidence found that fans were unlawfully killed, that is a fact.
It also dispelled, ' Liverpool fans arrived late without tickets' 'Drunken fans caused the disaster' ' Supporters forced the gates' 'Hooliganism was the root cause'.
I have no particular affinity to Liverpool but the evidence about Hillsborough is out there for all to see, you just need to google it.
Why was there crushing at the 1981 Cup semi final at Hillsborough, was that caused by drunken Spurs fans turning up late without tickets?
People prefer to churn out the same old tired answers because it fits the narrative of dirty scumbag scousers that the opening post seems to want. And that the disaster only occurred because it was Liverpool who were involved and wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved. A theory which is pretty much the reworking of the editorials of gutter press at the time, create a stereotype and stick to it.
The disaster occurred because of liverpool fans, nottingham forest fans were at the other end of the ground and how many of their own fans did they kill NONE, when its said that this wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved, lots of teams have played at hillsborough in semi finals and not one of them has killed their own fans fact
Can't argue with that.
How anyone doesn't blame Liverpool fans is beyond belief
Liverpool fans 100% to blame, fact
Simple fact is, if thousands of there drunk ticketless fans didn't turn up and charge in
Hillsboro would never have happened
I was at Celtic Park (Rangers v St Johnson SC SF) that day, with a poster from this board. A bad crush started and the Glasgow Police immediately opened the gates to another part of the ground, had they no acted so quickly l think lives would have been lost. South Yorkshire Police must bear a great deal of responsibility for the tragedy.
I disagree totally
Simple fact is if thousands of drunk ticketless Liverpool fans didnt turn up and force there way in
Then it wouldn't have happened
How can you blame SYP
How were they to know thousands, with no tickets were hell bent on getting in at all costs would turn up
Police maybe at fault for not acting quicker, but at best that's a blame game from Liverpool
From what I remember they acted as quick as possible, them days were rife for trouble
So I think they had a huge amount to do without these idiots turning up with no tickets.
full blame is with Liverpool fans for me
Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:20 pm
Jock wrote:Citysince72 wrote:Jock wrote:Citysince72 wrote:BLUECHUGGY wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Lots of opinions in this thread being quoted as statements of facts in relation to Hillsborough that simply regurgitate the myths that have evolved since the disaster.
The Hillsborough inquiry that exhaustively went through all the evidence found that fans were unlawfully killed, that is a fact.
It also dispelled, ' Liverpool fans arrived late without tickets' 'Drunken fans caused the disaster' ' Supporters forced the gates' 'Hooliganism was the root cause'.
I have no particular affinity to Liverpool but the evidence about Hillsborough is out there for all to see, you just need to google it.
Why was there crushing at the 1981 Cup semi final at Hillsborough, was that caused by drunken Spurs fans turning up late without tickets?
People prefer to churn out the same old tired answers because it fits the narrative of dirty scumbag scousers that the opening post seems to want. And that the disaster only occurred because it was Liverpool who were involved and wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved. A theory which is pretty much the reworking of the editorials of gutter press at the time, create a stereotype and stick to it.
The disaster occurred because of liverpool fans, nottingham forest fans were at the other end of the ground and how many of their own fans did they kill NONE, when its said that this wouldn't have happened if any other teams fans were involved, lots of teams have played at hillsborough in semi finals and not one of them has killed their own fans fact
Can't argue with that.
How anyone doesn't blame Liverpool fans is beyond belief
Liverpool fans 100% to blame, fact
Simple fact is, if thousands of there drunk ticketless fans didn't turn up and charge in
Hillsboro would never have happened
I was at Celtic Park (Rangers v St Johnson SC SF) that day, with a poster from this board. A bad crush started and the Glasgow Police immediately opened the gates to another part of the ground, had they no acted so quickly l think lives would have been lost. South Yorkshire Police must bear a great deal of responsibility for the tragedy.
I disagree totally
Simple fact is if thousands of drunk ticketless Liverpool fans didnt turn up and force there way in
Then it wouldn't have happened
How can you blame SYP
How were they to know thousands, with no tickets were hell bent on getting in at all costs would turn up
Police maybe at fault for not acting quicker, but at best that's a blame game from Liverpool
From what I remember they acted as quick as possible, them days were rife for trouble
So I think they had a huge amount to do without these idiots turning up with no tickets.
full blame is with Liverpool fans for me
Scousers must take part of the blame but SYP must take their share, I’ve jumped turnstiles and Stadium walls to get into games,if you love your team you’ll do anything you can to get into the ground.
Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:22 pm