Escott1927 wrote:The lack of quality is not Harris's fault though really. He's had 1 transfer window which is hard to do business in and the current window (which is still open) where all clubs are struggling financially. Hes barely had any financial backing to bring in the quality the squad needs. Hes trying to change things with the limited options he's got and it hasnt worked so far. He got us to 5th last season despite a very poor start under Warnock. The aim was top 6 and he got us there despite playing catch up all season. So why would he say the squad isn't strong ? Like he's going to say the sqaud is shit and there's no hope of a top 6 finish, anyway. It took him a while to find the balance last season - resulting in meltdowns from people on here - so id imagine it'll be the same this season if performances/results dont improve.
Its never nice to lose to swansea at anything but our youth setup has been nonexistent for the last decade or so. Is this result a surprise really? Not sure why people are using it as a reason to slate Harris.
Escott1927 wrote:The lack of quality is not Harris's fault though really. He's had 1 transfer window which is hard to do business in and the current window (which is still open) where all clubs are struggling financially. Hes barely had any financial backing to bring in the quality the squad needs. Hes trying to change things with the limited options he's got and it hasnt worked so far. He got us to 5th last season despite a very poor start under Warnock. The aim was top 6 and he got us there despite playing catch up all season. So why would he say the squad isn't strong ? Like he's going to say the sqaud is shit and there's no hope of a top 6 finish, anyway. It took him a while to find the balance last season - resulting in meltdowns from people on here - so id imagine it'll be the same this season if performances/results dont improve.
Its never nice to lose to swansea at anything but our youth setup has been nonexistent for the last decade or so. Is this result a surprise really? Not sure why people are using it as a reason to slate Harris.
Forever Blue wrote:Escott1927 wrote:The lack of quality is not Harris's fault though really. He's had 1 transfer window which is hard to do business in and the current window (which is still open) where all clubs are struggling financially. Hes barely had any financial backing to bring in the quality the squad needs. Hes trying to change things with the limited options he's got and it hasnt worked so far. He got us to 5th last season despite a very poor start under Warnock. The aim was top 6 and he got us there despite playing catch up all season. So why would he say the squad isn't strong ? Like he's going to say the sqaud is shit and there's no hope of a top 6 finish, anyway. It took him a while to find the balance last season - resulting in meltdowns from people on here - so id imagine it'll be the same this season if performances/results dont improve.
Its never nice to lose to swansea at anything but our youth setup has been nonexistent for the last decade or so. Is this result a surprise really? Not sure why people are using it as a reason to slate Harris.
Harris has stated strongly on numerous times he believes he has quality and a big squad his words and he says he is a straight talking manager .
No
One is forcing him to say he is happy with his squad as it is.
If you feel your squad is weak you say and ask to strengthen end of common sense .
Escott1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Escott1927 wrote:The lack of quality is not Harris's fault though really. He's had 1 transfer window which is hard to do business in and the current window (which is still open) where all clubs are struggling financially. Hes barely had any financial backing to bring in the quality the squad needs. Hes trying to change things with the limited options he's got and it hasnt worked so far. He got us to 5th last season despite a very poor start under Warnock. The aim was top 6 and he got us there despite playing catch up all season. So why would he say the squad isn't strong ? Like he's going to say the sqaud is shit and there's no hope of a top 6 finish, anyway. It took him a while to find the balance last season - resulting in meltdowns from people on here - so id imagine it'll be the same this season if performances/results dont improve.
Its never nice to lose to swansea at anything but our youth setup has been nonexistent for the last decade or so. Is this result a surprise really? Not sure why people are using it as a reason to slate Harris.
Harris has stated strongly on numerous times he believes he has quality and a big squad his words and he says he is a straight talking manager .
I really hope Harris is asking for backing to improve this squad
No
One is forcing him to say he is happy with his squad as it is.
If you feel your squad is weak you say and ask to strengthen end of common sense .
You kept repeating that message last season too - until our results picked up and then you stopped. Now performances have been poor you're constantly repeating it again.
I would imagine Harris is asking the board for backing to bring players in - what manager doesn't ask for financial backing to improve the squad? If he is asked a question regarding the squad he has to answer it as a manager and not a fan. There is nothing to gain from publicly saying the team is weak. We can all see what is required which means so can Harris. He has said recently he wants to bring in players so he is obviously aware of the issues and what areas need improving. Whether we bring in the quality we need we will soon find out. But if we don't, it is probably due to what players and how much money is available rather than because of Harris.
Forever Blue wrote:Escott1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Escott1927 wrote:The lack of quality is not Harris's fault though really. He's had 1 transfer window which is hard to do business in and the current window (which is still open) where all clubs are struggling financially. Hes barely had any financial backing to bring in the quality the squad needs. Hes trying to change things with the limited options he's got and it hasnt worked so far. He got us to 5th last season despite a very poor start under Warnock. The aim was top 6 and he got us there despite playing catch up all season. So why would he say the squad isn't strong ? Like he's going to say the sqaud is shit and there's no hope of a top 6 finish, anyway. It took him a while to find the balance last season - resulting in meltdowns from people on here - so id imagine it'll be the same this season if performances/results dont improve.
Its never nice to lose to swansea at anything but our youth setup has been nonexistent for the last decade or so. Is this result a surprise really? Not sure why people are using it as a reason to slate Harris.
Harris has stated strongly on numerous times he believes he has quality and a big squad his words and he says he is a straight talking manager .
I really hope Harris is asking for backing to improve this squad
No
One is forcing him to say he is happy with his squad as it is.
If you feel your squad is weak you say and ask to strengthen end of common sense .
You kept repeating that message last season too - until our results picked up and then you stopped. Now performances have been poor you're constantly repeating it again.
I would imagine Harris is asking the board for backing to bring players in - what manager doesn't ask for financial backing to improve the squad? If he is asked a question regarding the squad he has to answer it as a manager and not a fan. There is nothing to gain from publicly saying the team is weak. We can all see what is required which means so can Harris. He has said recently he wants to bring in players so he is obviously aware of the issues and what areas need improving. Whether we bring in the quality we need we will soon find out. But if we don't, it is probably due to what players and how much money is available rather than because of Harris.
I am only repeating Neil Harris words that he keeps repeating in every press conference, so he can but I can’t?
Why fans are not allowed to have their say,l?
Are you a dictator?
I was well chuffed Harris did well last season and I was glad he proved me wrong.
But I always saw passion /pride from his team last season.
At this current moment I am not seeing that and that’s all I am skint for or are saying I am not allowed my opinion?
You might like passion and pride , but I do as so so many others
I will also say that this seasons squad I feel has less quality , sorry that it upsets you see other fans views different than yours but this is not a dictatorship.
Escott1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Escott1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Escott1927 wrote:The lack of quality is not Harris's fault though really. He's had 1 transfer window which is hard to do business in and the current window (which is still open) where all clubs are struggling financially. Hes barely had any financial backing to bring in the quality the squad needs. Hes trying to change things with the limited options he's got and it hasnt worked so far. He got us to 5th last season despite a very poor start under Warnock. The aim was top 6 and he got us there despite playing catch up all season. So why would he say the squad isn't strong ? Like he's going to say the sqaud is shit and there's no hope of a top 6 finish, anyway. It took him a while to find the balance last season - resulting in meltdowns from people on here - so id imagine it'll be the same this season if performances/results dont improve.
Its never nice to lose to swansea at anything but our youth setup has been nonexistent for the last decade or so. Is this result a surprise really? Not sure why people are using it as a reason to slate Harris.
Harris has stated strongly on numerous times he believes he has quality and a big squad his words and he says he is a straight talking manager .
I really hope Harris is asking for backing to improve this squad
No
One is forcing him to say he is happy with his squad as it is.
If you feel your squad is weak you say and ask to strengthen end of common sense .
You kept repeating that message last season too - until our results picked up and then you stopped. Now performances have been poor you're constantly repeating it again.
I would imagine Harris is asking the board for backing to bring players in - what manager doesn't ask for financial backing to improve the squad? If he is asked a question regarding the squad he has to answer it as a manager and not a fan. There is nothing to gain from publicly saying the team is weak. We can all see what is required which means so can Harris. He has said recently he wants to bring in players so he is obviously aware of the issues and what areas need improving. Whether we bring in the quality we need we will soon find out. But if we don't, it is probably due to what players and how much money is available rather than because of Harris.
I am only repeating Neil Harris words that he keeps repeating in every press conference, so he can but I can’t?
Why fans are not allowed to have their say,l?
Are you a dictator?
I was well chuffed Harris did well last season and I was glad he proved me wrong.
But I always saw passion /pride from his team last season.
At this current moment I am not seeing that and that’s all I am skint for or are saying I am not allowed my opinion?
You might like passion and pride , but I do as so so many others
I will also say that this seasons squad I feel has less quality , sorry that it upsets you see other fans views different than yours but this is not a dictatorship.
You only seem to make a big deal out of that point when things aren't go well for us though. Harris says we have a strong squad. which is true, we finished 5th last season for a reason. The squad hasn't changed that much from last year. We have lost one regular starter (NML) who is clearly a loss but even he was inconsistent and injured quite a lot.
This is a public forum mate. You put your opinion on here and people will agree or disagree with you. At what point have I told you what you can or cannot say? I just disagree with a point you keep making across multiple threads. You have had your say, as a fan am I not allowed to have mine as well? The squad is lacking quality and pace big time. I have been saying that since the start of last season on here. I don't think that is Harris fault though. He hasnt had the financial backing to change that.
Escott1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Escott1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Escott1927 wrote:The lack of quality is not Harris's fault though really. He's had 1 transfer window which is hard to do business in and the current window (which is still open) where all clubs are struggling financially. Hes barely had any financial backing to bring in the quality the squad needs. Hes trying to change things with the limited options he's got and it hasnt worked so far. He got us to 5th last season despite a very poor start under Warnock. The aim was top 6 and he got us there despite playing catch up all season. So why would he say the squad isn't strong ? Like he's going to say the sqaud is shit and there's no hope of a top 6 finish, anyway. It took him a while to find the balance last season - resulting in meltdowns from people on here - so id imagine it'll be the same this season if performances/results dont improve.
Its never nice to lose to swansea at anything but our youth setup has been nonexistent for the last decade or so. Is this result a surprise really? Not sure why people are using it as a reason to slate Harris.
Harris has stated strongly on numerous times he believes he has quality and a big squad his words and he says he is a straight talking manager .
I really hope Harris is asking for backing to improve this squad
No
One is forcing him to say he is happy with his squad as it is.
If you feel your squad is weak you say and ask to strengthen end of common sense .
You kept repeating that message last season too - until our results picked up and then you stopped. Now performances have been poor you're constantly repeating it again.
I would imagine Harris is asking the board for backing to bring players in - what manager doesn't ask for financial backing to improve the squad? If he is asked a question regarding the squad he has to answer it as a manager and not a fan. There is nothing to gain from publicly saying the team is weak. We can all see what is required which means so can Harris. He has said recently he wants to bring in players so he is obviously aware of the issues and what areas need improving. Whether we bring in the quality we need we will soon find out. But if we don't, it is probably due to what players and how much money is available rather than because of Harris.
I am only repeating Neil Harris words that he keeps repeating in every press conference, so he can but I can’t?
Why fans are not allowed to have their say,l?
Are you a dictator?
I was well chuffed Harris did well last season and I was glad he proved me wrong.
But I always saw passion /pride from his team last season.
At this current moment I am not seeing that and that’s all I am skint for or are saying I am not allowed my opinion?
You might like passion and pride , but I do as so so many others
I will also say that this seasons squad I feel has less quality , sorry that it upsets you see other fans views different than yours but this is not a dictatorship.
You only seem to make a big deal out of that point when things aren't go well for us though. Harris says we have a strong squad. which is true, we finished 5th last season for a reason. The squad hasn't changed that much from last year. We have lost one regular starter (NML) who is clearly a loss but even he was inconsistent and injured quite a lot.
This is a public forum mate. You put your opinion on here and people will agree or disagree with you. At what point have I told you what you can or cannot say? I just disagree with a point you keep making across multiple threads. You have had your say, as a fan am I not allowed to have mine as well? The squad is lacking quality and pace big time. I have been saying that since the start of last season on here. I don't think that is Harris fault though. He hasnt had the financial backing to change that.
Bakedalasker wrote:Something has happened in the background to cuase this. Most likely related to the NML saga.
Forever Blue wrote:My View:
Cardiff City fans like to see see fight / passion / pride in their team and never say die attitudes and can accept defeat if they can at least see that, but we are not seeing that.
Neil Harris says the same.
But in my opinion what’s really upsetting and worrying Cardiff City fans and myself is that v Northampton and Sheff Wednesday we saw none of that, besides the lack of quality.
In both games Cardiff did not seem up for it and that hopefully will be rectified v Nottingham Forest this Saturday.
The lack of quality that’s down to Harris, but he insists he he is happy with the size and quality of his squad.
So there for City fans are asking to see fight in the team
Then we had a strong Cardiff City team play Swansea City under 23’s in the league 2 game and saw Cardiff not just beaten but absolutely hammered with no fight again.
The new coach there Steve Morison was appointed through Neil Harris who asked for his own back up team and has it now and the Cardiff City Committee agreed.
Thankfully we are only a couple of games in and the fight/spirit can be rectified but as to strengthening, personally I see the squad thinner and less quality there , but Harris and the Committee are happy with what we have.
Jasonccfc wrote:Forever Blue wrote:My View:
Cardiff City fans like to see see fight / passion / pride in their team and never say die attitudes and can accept defeat if they can at least see that, but we are not seeing that.
Neil Harris says the same.
But in my opinion what’s really upsetting and worrying Cardiff City fans and myself is that v Northampton and Sheff Wednesday we saw none of that, besides the lack of quality.
In both games Cardiff did not seem up for it and that hopefully will be rectified v Nottingham Forest this Saturday.
The lack of quality that’s down to Harris, but he insists he he is happy with the size and quality of his squad.
So there for City fans are asking to see fight in the team
Then we had a strong Cardiff City team play Swansea City under 23’s in the league 2 game and saw Cardiff not just beaten but absolutely hammered with no fight again.
The new coach there Steve Morison was appointed through Neil Harris who asked for his own back up team and has it now and the Cardiff City Committee agreed.
Thankfully we are only a couple of games in and the fight/spirit can be rectified but as to strengthening, personally I see the squad thinner and less quality there , but Harris and the Committee are happy with what we have.
Whose upset?? We have lost two games if some fans are getting upset then theres no hope
skidemin wrote:no fight...didnt win a single header or challenge ..they passed it around as if we were cones and on the odd occasion we had the ball they promptly took it off us with ease and attacked again and again.... 6 nil should have been 26... lose =- no fight.. .just no.
Forever Blue wrote:Jasonccfc wrote:Forever Blue wrote:My View:
Cardiff City fans like to see see fight / passion / pride in their team and never say die attitudes and can accept defeat if they can at least see that, but we are not seeing that.
Neil Harris says the same.
But in my opinion what’s really upsetting and worrying Cardiff City fans and myself is that v Northampton and Sheff Wednesday we saw none of that, besides the lack of quality.
In both games Cardiff did not seem up for it and that hopefully will be rectified v Nottingham Forest this Saturday.
The lack of quality that’s down to Harris, but he insists he he is happy with the size and quality of his squad.
So there for City fans are asking to see fight in the team
Then we had a strong Cardiff City team play Swansea City under 23’s in the league 2 game and saw Cardiff not just beaten but absolutely hammered with no fight again.
The new coach there Steve Morison was appointed through Neil Harris who asked for his own back up team and has it now and the Cardiff City Committee agreed.
Thankfully we are only a couple of games in and the fight/spirit can be rectified but as to strengthening, personally I see the squad thinner and less quality there , but Harris and the Committee are happy with what we have.
Whose upset?? We have lost two games if some fans are getting upset then theres no hope
Jason, a little shocked at you as three games in my opinion that do matter, there was No passion/pride or heart from our players and yes that disappoints me.
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