Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:17 pm
Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:06 pm
Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:08 pm
Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:14 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:I assume...
and there in lies your fundamental problem. Your too focused on your own assumptions, twisting things to points score and winning the argument - to ever try to actually understand the opposing view.
You've done it on so many different threads over and over again you've become a parody of yourself.
It's no point blaming others for not giving your posts credibility when you have systematically proven yourself to have none, time and time again on this board.
You know Josh when everybody is telling you the same thing, there is a likelihood that it may in fact be you that is wrong. It's not always the case but it is a consideration I personally would take on board if the shoe were on the other foot.
I've said this to you on other threads, but you chose to take it as an insult, so I will say it once again, with the very best of intentions as politely as I can - if you were to stop trying to win arguments and adopting a position of arrogance at every turn, people would be less inclined to think you are a either a troll or a ideologically driven zealot. Until you do that though, you cannot blame anyone other than yourself for the opinion they hold of you.
Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:27 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:I assume...
and there in lies your fundamental problem. Your too focused on your own assumptions, twisting things to points score and winning the argument - to ever try to actually understand the opposing view.
You've done it on so many different threads over and over again you've become a parody of yourself.
It's no point blaming others for not giving your posts credibility when you have systematically proven yourself to have none, time and time again on this board.
You know Josh when everybody is telling you the same thing, there is a likelihood that it may in fact be you that is wrong. It's not always the case but it is a consideration I personally would take on board if the shoe were on the other foot.
I've said this to you on other threads, but you chose to take it as an insult, so I will say it once again, with the very best of intentions as politely as I can - if you were to stop trying to win arguments and adopting a position of arrogance at every turn, people would be less inclined to think you are a either a troll or a ideologically driven zealot. Until you do that though, you cannot blame anyone other than yourself for the opinion they hold of you.
The insult I actually meant was "I'm still waiting for you to form an independent thought." I suppose the fundamental problem is you were too focused on what you assumed I meant and twisted it to point score and win the argument.
The problem with the 'if everyone is saying' argument is that the moment you say something against this forums narrative (and by that I mean half a dozen people's narrative) you get name called (a left wing loony, a snowflake, a troll etc).You could create an account and post something pro drakeford or mention blm in a non derogatory way and you'd get insulted.
If you think I try and 'win' every argument and I shouldn't. When did you last admit defeat in one?
Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:32 pm
Once a blue always a blue44 wrote:You can’t make someone do something and it’s upto them. That said, It depends how one views the meaning behind it. For me personally I see it as something unattached to the BLM movement UK as it didnt originate from BLM in the first place, but one where people stand up against racism and show their support for black people or anyone that suffers racism. One where people are demonstrating that we all stand together as one equally. Having known people suffer due to discrimination, abuse and worse I will always support the fight against racism but taking the knee has caused a lot of negativity and I think many people have misunderstood the whole point of it. Thank goodness there are many other ways to show your support.
Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:37 pm
skidemin wrote:Once a blue always a blue44 wrote:You can’t make someone do something and it’s upto them. That said, It depends how one views the meaning behind it. For me personally I see it as something unattached to the BLM movement UK as it didnt originate from BLM in the first place, but one where people stand up against racism and show their support for black people or anyone that suffers racism. One where people are demonstrating that we all stand together as one equally. Having known people suffer due to discrimination, abuse and worse I will always support the fight against racism but taking the knee has caused a lot of negativity and I think many people have misunderstood the whole point of it. Thank goodness there are many other ways to show your support.
you cant make someone do something
bit naive if you think all these young boys have much choice in this.. the media coverage of this Newport game screams that surely ? your either on your knee or there vill be an investigation and lots of media coverage... nobody should be put in this situation ...
Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:40 pm
skidemin wrote:Once a blue always a blue44 wrote:You can’t make someone do something and it’s upto them. That said, It depends how one views the meaning behind it. For me personally I see it as something unattached to the BLM movement UK as it didnt originate from BLM in the first place, but one where people stand up against racism and show their support for black people or anyone that suffers racism. One where people are demonstrating that we all stand together as one equally. Having known people suffer due to discrimination, abuse and worse I will always support the fight against racism but taking the knee has caused a lot of negativity and I think many people have misunderstood the whole point of it. Thank goodness there are many other ways to show your support.
you cant make someone do something
bit naive if you think all these young boys have much choice in this.. the media coverage of this Newport game screams that surely ? your either on your knee or there vill be an investigation and lots of media coverage... nobody should be put in this situation ...
Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:42 pm
stickywicket wrote:skidemin wrote:Once a blue always a blue44 wrote:You can’t make someone do something and it’s upto them. That said, It depends how one views the meaning behind it. For me personally I see it as something unattached to the BLM movement UK as it didnt originate from BLM in the first place, but one where people stand up against racism and show their support for black people or anyone that suffers racism. One where people are demonstrating that we all stand together as one equally. Having known people suffer due to discrimination, abuse and worse I will always support the fight against racism but taking the knee has caused a lot of negativity and I think many people have misunderstood the whole point of it. Thank goodness there are many other ways to show your support.
you cant make someone do something
bit naive if you think all these young boys have much choice in this.. the media coverage of this Newport game screams that surely ? your either on your knee or there vill be an investigation and lots of media coverage... nobody should be put in this situation ...
The good lord made us all in his own image.
Ask yourselves What would Jesus say?
Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:03 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:The insult I actually meant was "I'm still waiting for you to form an independent thought." I suppose the fundamental problem is you were too focused on what you assumed I meant and twisted it to point score and win the argument.
The problem with the 'if everyone is saying' argument is that the moment you say something against this forums narrative (and by that I mean half a dozen people's narrative) you get name called (a left wing loony, a snowflake, a troll etc).You could create an account and post something pro drakeford or mention blm in a non derogatory way and you'd get insulted.
If you think I try and 'win' every argument and I shouldn't. When did you last admit defeat in one?
Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:12 pm
Once a blue always a blue44 wrote:Yes you can’t make someone do something as people are responsible for their own actions but these actions may lead to consequences. Again I guess it depends on their own personal reasons - if they literally were seen to be either INdividually or part of a racist group than there should be repercussions - proving any of it is difficult. This is the trouble with a lot of racism is it can be subtle.
Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:14 pm
Once a blue always a blue44 wrote:skidemin wrote:Once a blue always a blue44 wrote:You can’t make someone do something and it’s upto them. That said, It depends how one views the meaning behind it. For me personally I see it as something unattached to the BLM movement UK as it didnt originate from BLM in the first place, but one where people stand up against racism and show their support for black people or anyone that suffers racism. One where people are demonstrating that we all stand together as one equally. Having known people suffer due to discrimination, abuse and worse I will always support the fight against racism but taking the knee has caused a lot of negativity and I think many people have misunderstood the whole point of it. Thank goodness there are many other ways to show your support.
you cant make someone do something
bit naive if you think all these young boys have much choice in this.. the media coverage of this Newport game screams that surely ? your either on your knee or there vill be an investigation and lots of media coverage... nobody should be put in this situation ...
Yes you can’t make someone do something as people are responsible for their own actions but these actions may lead to consequences. Again I guess it depends on their own personal reasons - if they literally were seen to be either INdividually or part of a racist group than there should be repercussions - proving any of it is difficult. This is the trouble with a lot of racism is it can be subtle.
Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:33 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:I assume...
and there in lies your fundamental problem. Your too focused on your own assumptions, twisting things to points score and winning the argument - to ever try to actually understand the opposing view.
You've done it on so many different threads over and over again you've become a parody of yourself.
It's no point blaming others for not giving your posts credibility when you have systematically proven yourself to have none, time and time again on this board.
You know Josh when everybody is telling you the same thing, there is a likelihood that it may in fact be you that is wrong. It's not always the case but it is a consideration I personally would take on board if the shoe were on the other foot.
I've said this to you on other threads, but you chose to take it as an insult, so I will say it once again, with the very best of intentions as politely as I can - if you were to stop trying to win arguments and adopting a position of arrogance at every turn, people would be less inclined to think you are a either a troll or a ideologically driven zealot. Until you do that though, you cannot blame anyone other than yourself for the opinion they hold of you.
The insult I actually meant was "I'm still waiting for you to form an independent thought." I suppose the fundamental problem is you were too focused on what you assumed I meant and twisted it to point score and win the argument.
The problem with the 'if everyone is saying' argument is that the moment you say something against this forums narrative (and by that I mean half a dozen people's narrative) you get name called (a left wing loony, a snowflake, a troll etc).You could create an account and post something pro drakeford or mention blm in a non derogatory way and you'd get insulted.
If you think I try and 'win' every argument and I shouldn't. When did you last admit defeat in one?
Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:32 pm
Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:39 pm
skidemin wrote:moonboots wrote:Why the hell is this a sticky??
well currently its the busiest thread on the board so if stickies were abolished it would actually be top anyway....go figure
Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:58 pm
Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:12 pm
stickywicket wrote:Enslaved 2 part series bbc I player an eye opener
Worth remembering our ancestors ,men women and children were worked to an early grave by the same people who made money out of the slave trade.
Modern slavery still exists.
White people with learning difficulties found enslaved in Cardiff.Kids under the age of 16 working for county line gangs.
Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:21 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:I assume...
and there in lies your fundamental problem. Your too focused on your own assumptions, twisting things to points score and winning the argument - to ever try to actually understand the opposing view.
You've done it on so many different threads over and over again you've become a parody of yourself.
It's no point blaming others for not giving your posts credibility when you have systematically proven yourself to have none, time and time again on this board.
You know Josh when everybody is telling you the same thing, there is a likelihood that it may in fact be you that is wrong. It's not always the case but it is a consideration I personally would take on board if the shoe were on the other foot.
I've said this to you on other threads, but you chose to take it as an insult, so I will say it once again, with the very best of intentions as politely as I can - if you were to stop trying to win arguments and adopting a position of arrogance at every turn, people would be less inclined to think you are a either a troll or a ideologically driven zealot. Until you do that though, you cannot blame anyone other than yourself for the opinion they hold of you.
The insult I actually meant was "I'm still waiting for you to form an independent thought." I suppose the fundamental problem is you were too focused on what you assumed I meant and twisted it to point score and win the argument.
The problem with the 'if everyone is saying' argument is that the moment you say something against this forums narrative (and by that I mean half a dozen people's narrative) you get name called (a left wing loony, a snowflake, a troll etc).You could create an account and post something pro drakeford or mention blm in a non derogatory way and you'd get insulted.
If you think I try and 'win' every argument and I shouldn't. When did you last admit defeat in one?
Playing the victim card is very, very shaky ground for you to tread upon Josh.
You know you have said and suggested things about other posters that were so far beyond the pale that I won't repeat them, in an attempt to win your petty arguments. So don't try to passive aggressively play the martyr with me. You reap what you sow and you have consistently attacked others on here, it is little wonder so many are ready to call you out on it.
And for the record, I have found common ground with people on the other side of a discussion many, many times on this board as I genuinely think it is a better way to approach discussion.
Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:26 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:The insult I actually meant was "I'm still waiting for you to form an independent thought." I suppose the fundamental problem is you were too focused on what you assumed I meant and twisted it to point score and win the argument.
The problem with the 'if everyone is saying' argument is that the moment you say something against this forums narrative (and by that I mean half a dozen people's narrative) you get name called (a left wing loony, a snowflake, a troll etc).You could create an account and post something pro drakeford or mention blm in a non derogatory way and you'd get insulted.
If you think I try and 'win' every argument and I shouldn't. When did you last admit defeat in one?
I wondered when the victim card would make appearance. There is an old saying if you can't take it don't give it out. I used to get ate up over personal abuse but now I think of it as part and parcel of taking part in debate and blank out the insults and concentrate on the substance. May be you should try the same although being called a 'Marxist' would never make my top 10 when it comes to name calling. In any case why do you find it insulting to be called a Marxist surely it should be a badge of honour?
Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:09 pm
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Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:13 pm
spikeferndale wrote:So where do the Tories & Liberals fit into all this Glas?
They seem to be the only ones you have left out. lol
Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:10 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:I assume...
and there in lies your fundamental problem. Your too focused on your own assumptions, twisting things to points score and winning the argument - to ever try to actually understand the opposing view.
You've done it on so many different threads over and over again you've become a parody of yourself.
It's no point blaming others for not giving your posts credibility when you have systematically proven yourself to have none, time and time again on this board.
You know Josh when everybody is telling you the same thing, there is a likelihood that it may in fact be you that is wrong. It's not always the case but it is a consideration I personally would take on board if the shoe were on the other foot.
I've said this to you on other threads, but you chose to take it as an insult, so I will say it once again, with the very best of intentions as politely as I can - if you were to stop trying to win arguments and adopting a position of arrogance at every turn, people would be less inclined to think you are a either a troll or a ideologically driven zealot. Until you do that though, you cannot blame anyone other than yourself for the opinion they hold of you.
The insult I actually meant was "I'm still waiting for you to form an independent thought." I suppose the fundamental problem is you were too focused on what you assumed I meant and twisted it to point score and win the argument.
The problem with the 'if everyone is saying' argument is that the moment you say something against this forums narrative (and by that I mean half a dozen people's narrative) you get name called (a left wing loony, a snowflake, a troll etc).You could create an account and post something pro drakeford or mention blm in a non derogatory way and you'd get insulted.
If you think I try and 'win' every argument and I shouldn't. When did you last admit defeat in one?
Playing the victim card is very, very shaky ground for you to tread upon Josh.
You know you have said and suggested things about other posters that were so far beyond the pale that I won't repeat them, in an attempt to win your petty arguments. So don't try to passive aggressively play the martyr with me. You reap what you sow and you have consistently attacked others on here, it is little wonder so many are ready to call you out on it.
And for the record, I have found common ground with people on the other side of a discussion many, many times on this board as I genuinely think it is a better way to approach discussion.
Is there an echo in here or are you unconsciously repeating other people from this topic? It's either that or you're projecting again.
Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:55 pm
spikeferndale wrote:That's a good point Josh.
Why do some people on here call people Communists or Marxists when they have opinions different to them?
Does it make them feel good? To try an alienate them? or to wind them up.
I haven't seen any comments on this site, that would make me assume that person was a Marxist.
Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:07 am
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:The insult I actually meant was "I'm still waiting for you to form an independent thought." I suppose the fundamental problem is you were too focused on what you assumed I meant and twisted it to point score and win the argument.
The problem with the 'if everyone is saying' argument is that the moment you say something against this forums narrative (and by that I mean half a dozen people's narrative) you get name called (a left wing loony, a snowflake, a troll etc).You could create an account and post something pro drakeford or mention blm in a non derogatory way and you'd get insulted.
If you think I try and 'win' every argument and I shouldn't. When did you last admit defeat in one?
I wondered when the victim card would make appearance. There is an old saying if you can't take it don't give it out. I used to get ate up over personal abuse but now I think of it as part and parcel of taking part in debate and blank out the insults and concentrate on the substance. May be you should try the same although being called a 'Marxist' would never make my top 10 when it comes to name calling. In any case why do you find it insulting to be called a Marxist surely it should be a badge of honour?
Well according to people on here Marxists and Communists (take your pick because apparently they're interchangeable) were the same or even worse than the Nazis. Maybe I should start calling people Nazis to see if they can 'take it'.
Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:26 am
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:The insult I actually meant was "I'm still waiting for you to form an independent thought." I suppose the fundamental problem is you were too focused on what you assumed I meant and twisted it to point score and win the argument.
The problem with the 'if everyone is saying' argument is that the moment you say something against this forums narrative (and by that I mean half a dozen people's narrative) you get name called (a left wing loony, a snowflake, a troll etc).You could create an account and post something pro drakeford or mention blm in a non derogatory way and you'd get insulted.
If you think I try and 'win' every argument and I shouldn't. When did you last admit defeat in one?
I wondered when the victim card would make appearance. There is an old saying if you can't take it don't give it out. I used to get ate up over personal abuse but now I think of it as part and parcel of taking part in debate and blank out the insults and concentrate on the substance. May be you should try the same although being called a 'Marxist' would never make my top 10 when it comes to name calling. In any case why do you find it insulting to be called a Marxist surely it should be a badge of honour?
Well according to people on here Marxists and Communists (take your pick because apparently they're interchangeable) were the same or even worse than the Nazis. Maybe I should start calling people Nazis to see if they can 'take it'.
Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:17 am
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:The insult I actually meant was "I'm still waiting for you to form an independent thought." I suppose the fundamental problem is you were too focused on what you assumed I meant and twisted it to point score and win the argument.
The problem with the 'if everyone is saying' argument is that the moment you say something against this forums narrative (and by that I mean half a dozen people's narrative) you get name called (a left wing loony, a snowflake, a troll etc).You could create an account and post something pro drakeford or mention blm in a non derogatory way and you'd get insulted.
If you think I try and 'win' every argument and I shouldn't. When did you last admit defeat in one?
I wondered when the victim card would make appearance. There is an old saying if you can't take it don't give it out. I used to get ate up over personal abuse but now I think of it as part and parcel of taking part in debate and blank out the insults and concentrate on the substance. May be you should try the same although being called a 'Marxist' would never make my top 10 when it comes to name calling. In any case why do you find it insulting to be called a Marxist surely it should be a badge of honour?
Well according to people on here Marxists and Communists (take your pick because apparently they're interchangeable) were the same or even worse than the Nazis. Maybe I should start calling people Nazis to see if they can 'take it'.
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:13 am
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Well according to people on here Marxists and Communists (take your pick because apparently they're interchangeable) were the same or even worse than the Nazis. Maybe I should start calling people Nazis to see if they can 'take it'.
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:47 am
spikeferndale wrote:That's a good point Josh.
Why do some people on here call people Communists or Marxists when they have opinions different to them?
Does it make them feel good? To try an alienate them? or to wind them up.
I haven't seen any comments on this site, that would make me assume that person was a Marxist.