GENERAL CHAT wrote:I think one of the most fundamental problems we have is basic passing.
Too short a pass, inaccurate, too slow, too long.
Anyone else notice this and agree/disagree with our highly paid professional footballers?
(besides wrong decisions too)
For me, we need to get this right first.
Only my opinion...
GENERAL CHAT wrote:I think one of the most fundamental problems we have is basic passing.
Too short a pass, inaccurate, too slow, too long.
Anyone else notice this and agree/disagree with our highly paid professional footballers?
(besides wrong decisions too)
For me, we need to get this right first.
Only my opinion...
Crayfish wrote:I agree but would point out that our passing was pretty awful when Neil Warncok was our manager and we managed to finish second in the table and got promoted despite boing constantly out passed by many other teams. Still find it hard to believe we got promoted that season with such poor passing.
Robbiebluebird wrote:Our possession stats have been better because teams are more afraid of us on the break. If they let us have the ball we're toothless.
montyblue wrote:I agree on the passing
an even bigger problem is the backs get to the half way line and then either turn back or pass back drives me mad this recycle and retain the ball back and start again
what happened to taking on the opposition and perhaps try dribbling past a player
derby last night closed us down and we went backwards and have done under harris starting to defensive.
fred keenor wrote:montyblue wrote:I agree on the passing
an even bigger problem is the backs get to the half way line and then either turn back or pass back drives me mad this recycle and retain the ball back and start again
what happened to taking on the opposition and perhaps try dribbling past a player
derby last night closed us down and we went backwards and have done under harris starting to defensive.
This exactly how i see it, so frustrating to watch and not enjoyable at all.
Does anyone try to beat a player these days.
bluesince62 wrote:fred keenor wrote:montyblue wrote:I agree on the passing
an even bigger problem is the backs get to the half way line and then either turn back or pass back drives me mad this recycle and retain the ball back and start again
what happened to taking on the opposition and perhaps try dribbling past a player
derby last night closed us down and we went backwards and have done under harris starting to defensive.
This exactly how i see it, so frustrating to watch and not enjoyable at all.
Does anyone try to beat a player these days.
As said above,this team struggled to pass under warnock,well unless it was one pass over the heads of everyone! Lets hope with players back,we at least have a few who can actually pass accurately.hand on hearts,who can say the football under warnock was a joy?? We have added a few who I hope can help us in this department.
skidemin wrote:Crayfish wrote:I agree but would point out that our passing was pretty awful when Neil Warncok was our manager and we managed to finish second in the table and got promoted despite boing constantly out passed by many other teams. Still find it hard to believe we got promoted that season with such poor passing.
spot on mate they havent turned into a team of Iniestas over night.....it was recognise what you have and play to strengths.. way too much stupid square ponderous passing and at the moment and weve all seen how ineffective it is unless your a top top team...
bluesince62 wrote:skidemin wrote:Crayfish wrote:I agree but would point out that our passing was pretty awful when Neil Warncok was our manager and we managed to finish second in the table and got promoted despite boing constantly out passed by many other teams. Still find it hard to believe we got promoted that season with such poor passing.
spot on mate they havent turned into a team of Iniestas over night.....it was recognise what you have and play to strengths.. way too much stupid square ponderous passing and at the moment and weve all seen how ineffective it is unless your a top top team...
I think the main problem is we have players who were not encouraged to pass,still in the side,it looks foreign to some!
bluesince62 wrote:Not arguing mate,just pointing out that passing,the most intrinsic basic skill required,should not be foreign,to ANY player earning a crust from a game where passing is the name of the game??
skidemin wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Not arguing mate,just pointing out that passing,the most intrinsic basic skill required,should not be foreign,to ANY player earning a crust from a game where passing is the name of the game??
there is passing and passing though... the more comfortable you are receiving and distributing is on a sliding scale... the best at it cost the most and play for the better clubs. and the clubs that are amazingly good at it win things... thats not to say its foreign to our players its just that they are further down the scale ...
skidemin wrote:bluesince62 wrote:fred keenor wrote:montyblue wrote:I agree on the passing
an even bigger problem is the backs get to the half way line and then either turn back or pass back drives me mad this recycle and retain the ball back and start again
what happened to taking on the opposition and perhaps try dribbling past a player
derby last night closed us down and we went backwards and have done under harris starting to defensive.
This exactly how i see it, so frustrating to watch and not enjoyable at all.
Does anyone try to beat a player these days.
As said above,this team struggled to pass under warnock,well unless it was one pass over the heads of everyone! Lets hope with players back,we at least have a few who can actually pass accurately.hand on hearts,who can say the football under warnock was a joy?? We have added a few who I hope can help us in this department.
struggled to pass ? a pointless possession based short passing game in our own half was never the intention..
and yes i enjoyed it... and i certainly do not like this pretend playing the right way where the object for the first 70 minutes seems to be how many passes can we achieve 50 yards from goal before either we give them a goal or we hit seat number 74 row A in the Ninian stand..... then bring the game changers { cavalry } on because he loves stats.... heres a stat.. 90% of all goals scored in football are scored from 2 passes or less... so its a damn good idea to maybe be in the opposition half.. and here is another .the periods in games we dominate possession and rack up the passes stat is also when we concede... and the period when his game changers are on , our football is more direct but our possession and passes stats drop is also when we are more likely to score....if all i cared about was possession and numbers of consecutive passes id go home after the best bit....the warm up where there are no spoil sports trying to tackle them..
ive seen us play well this season for 15 - 20 minute periods and seen us play really well a few times under him last season but overall this year so far has been crap...
bluesince62 wrote:skidemin wrote:bluesince62 wrote:fred keenor wrote:montyblue wrote:I agree on the passing
an even bigger problem is the backs get to the half way line and then either turn back or pass back drives me mad this recycle and retain the ball back and start again
what happened to taking on the opposition and perhaps try dribbling past a player
derby last night closed us down and we went backwards and have done under harris starting to defensive.
This exactly how i see it, so frustrating to watch and not enjoyable at all.
Does anyone try to beat a player these days.
As said above,this team struggled to pass under warnock,well unless it was one pass over the heads of everyone! Lets hope with players back,we at least have a few who can actually pass accurately.hand on hearts,who can say the football under warnock was a joy?? We have added a few who I hope can help us in this department.
struggled to pass ? a pointless possession based short passing game in our own half was never the intention..
and yes i enjoyed it... and i certainly do not like this pretend playing the right way where the object for the first 70 minutes seems to be how many passes can we achieve 50 yards from goal before either we give them a goal or we hit seat number 74 row A in the Ninian stand..... then bring the game changers { cavalry } on because he loves stats.... heres a stat.. 90% of all goals scored in football are scored from 2 passes or less... so its a damn good idea to maybe be in the opposition half.. and here is another .the periods in games we dominate possession and rack up the passes stat is also when we concede... and the period when his game changers are on , our football is more direct but our possession and passes stats drop is also when we are more likely to score....if all i cared about was possession and numbers of consecutive passes id go home after the best bit....the warm up where there are no spoil sports trying to tackle them..
ive seen us play well this season for 15 - 20 minute periods and seen us play really well a few times under him last season but overall this year so far has been crap...
90% from 2 passes?? Yeah usually in or around the box!!
Why are you telling me about stats exactly? The football under warnock was crap too!we are unbeaten in 5,the only way is up!! Glass half full me,we will get better imho.
bluesince62 wrote:fred keenor wrote:montyblue wrote:I agree on the passing
an even bigger problem is the backs get to the half way line and then either turn back or pass back drives me mad this recycle and retain the ball back and start again
what happened to taking on the opposition and perhaps try dribbling past a player
derby last night closed us down and we went backwards and have done under harris starting to defensive.
This exactly how i see it, so frustrating to watch and not enjoyable at all.
Does anyone try to beat a player these days.
As said above,this team struggled to pass under warnock,well unless it was one pass over the heads of everyone! Lets hope with players back,we at least have a few who can actually pass accurately.hand on hearts,who can say the football under warnock was a joy?? We have added a few who I hope can help us in this department.
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