Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:41 am
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:50 am
Doyley1927 wrote:If and when we get over this pandemic and the inquiries start does anyone else think it will be the end of the Tory party?
So many mistakes. Granted its unprecedented in its scope but austerity led to so many cuts we were not prepared and then mistake after mistake propped up by contracts for the boys. When this all gets broken down I truly believe the Tories will be done for.
I say this as someone who doesn’t want this to happen and hopes that a viable centre right party emerges from it. Although lately Sir Kier has impressed me quite a bit.
Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:10 am
Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:31 am
glas wrote:hahaha
The Tory party in England know the NHS is not capable of providing a smooth distribution and delivery of the vaccine, so they call in the army to provide distribution and 21 mobile "medic" teams to deliver the vaccine promptly, efficiently and to save lives.
The labour party in Wales as usual, believe they know what is best to do, leading to delays and potentially costing 100's of lives. Their plan? setup a committee to discuss it. Obviously the committee will need to be diverse in all aspects of gender, colour, sexuality and need to have socialist leanings, with the clear understanding that anything that goes wrong is the wicked Tories fault. They will be safe in the knowledge that their supporters will fully back this "careful" approach and will fully commit to blaming the Tories, and will blindly continue to vote Labour at any future elections.
Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:39 am
Doyley1927 wrote:glas wrote:hahaha
The Tory party in England know the NHS is not capable of providing a smooth distribution and delivery of the vaccine, so they call in the army to provide distribution and 21 mobile "medic" teams to deliver the vaccine promptly, efficiently and to save lives.
The labour party in Wales as usual, believe they know what is best to do, leading to delays and potentially costing 100's of lives. Their plan? setup a committee to discuss it. Obviously the committee will need to be diverse in all aspects of gender, colour, sexuality and need to have socialist leanings, with the clear understanding that anything that goes wrong is the wicked Tories fault. They will be safe in the knowledge that their supporters will fully back this "careful" approach and will fully commit to blaming the Tories, and will blindly continue to vote Labour at any future elections.
I’m not on about the devolved government.
I’m talking about the Tory party in government of the Uk.
Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:51 am
skidemin wrote:Doyley1927 wrote:glas wrote:hahaha
The Tory party in England know the NHS is not capable of providing a smooth distribution and delivery of the vaccine, so they call in the army to provide distribution and 21 mobile "medic" teams to deliver the vaccine promptly, efficiently and to save lives.
The labour party in Wales as usual, believe they know what is best to do, leading to delays and potentially costing 100's of lives. Their plan? setup a committee to discuss it. Obviously the committee will need to be diverse in all aspects of gender, colour, sexuality and need to have socialist leanings, with the clear understanding that anything that goes wrong is the wicked Tories fault. They will be safe in the knowledge that their supporters will fully back this "careful" approach and will fully commit to blaming the Tories, and will blindly continue to vote Labour at any future elections.
I’m not on about the devolved government.
I’m talking about the Tory party in government of the Uk.
i think his point is that a lot of what goes on in Wales is not of their doing...
got to say the torys in Wales have been a bit slow though... when they get wind of what drakeford is about to announce they should be running around looking for a journo to get in first and claim it should have been done 2 hours earlier...
Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:11 pm
Doyley1927 wrote:skidemin wrote:Doyley1927 wrote:glas wrote:hahaha
The Tory party in England know the NHS is not capable of providing a smooth distribution and delivery of the vaccine, so they call in the army to provide distribution and 21 mobile "medic" teams to deliver the vaccine promptly, efficiently and to save lives.
The labour party in Wales as usual, believe they know what is best to do, leading to delays and potentially costing 100's of lives. Their plan? setup a committee to discuss it. Obviously the committee will need to be diverse in all aspects of gender, colour, sexuality and need to have socialist leanings, with the clear understanding that anything that goes wrong is the wicked Tories fault. They will be safe in the knowledge that their supporters will fully back this "careful" approach and will fully commit to blaming the Tories, and will blindly continue to vote Labour at any future elections.
I’m not on about the devolved government.
I’m talking about the Tory party in government of the Uk.
i think his point is that a lot of what goes on in Wales is not of their doing...
got to say the torys in Wales have been a bit slow though... when they get wind of what drakeford is about to announce they should be running around looking for a journo to get in first and claim it should have been done 2 hours earlier...
Of course there is the benefit of hindsight piece that Boris doesn’t have which makes his critics look a lot more competent. However he has been overly reactive from the start.
Lockdown announced 23 March. Much later than it should have been deaths start to fall 8 April.
PPE was not of the required standard. This would have been highlighted in a 2016 exercise of the exact thing that happened in 2020 had it not been cancelled due to Austerity. They then scratched round for PPE and (too many for it to be a co-incidence) contracts were given out to friends of the Tory party. Some of that PPE was not up to scratch.
Then the debacle over Christmas.
It was always going to be that the only way out of this was vaccination. That was clear. Yet back go the students to Uni spreading it all over.
I have no idea how Corbyn would have done but I suspect the NHS wouldn’t have been so criminally under funded under Labour.
Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:41 pm
Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:54 pm
skidemin wrote:Doyley1927 wrote:skidemin wrote:Doyley1927 wrote:glas wrote:hahaha
The Tory party in England know the NHS is not capable of providing a smooth distribution and delivery of the vaccine, so they call in the army to provide distribution and 21 mobile "medic" teams to deliver the vaccine promptly, efficiently and to save lives.
The labour party in Wales as usual, believe they know what is best to do, leading to delays and potentially costing 100's of lives. Their plan? setup a committee to discuss it. Obviously the committee will need to be diverse in all aspects of gender, colour, sexuality and need to have socialist leanings, with the clear understanding that anything that goes wrong is the wicked Tories fault. They will be safe in the knowledge that their supporters will fully back this "careful" approach and will fully commit to blaming the Tories, and will blindly continue to vote Labour at any future elections.
I’m not on about the devolved government.
I’m talking about the Tory party in government of the Uk.
i think his point is that a lot of what goes on in Wales is not of their doing...
got to say the torys in Wales have been a bit slow though... when they get wind of what drakeford is about to announce they should be running around looking for a journo to get in first and claim it should have been done 2 hours earlier...
Of course there is the benefit of hindsight piece that Boris doesn’t have which makes his critics look a lot more competent. However he has been overly reactive from the start.
Lockdown announced 23 March. Much later than it should have been deaths start to fall 8 April.
PPE was not of the required standard. This would have been highlighted in a 2016 exercise of the exact thing that happened in 2020 had it not been cancelled due to Austerity. They then scratched round for PPE and (too many for it to be a co-incidence) contracts were given out to friends of the Tory party. Some of that PPE was not up to scratch.
Then the debacle over Christmas.
It was always going to be that the only way out of this was vaccination. That was clear. Yet back go the students to Uni spreading it all over.
I have no idea how Corbyn would have done but I suspect the NHS wouldn’t have been so criminally under funded under Labour.
killdown...
March the 23rd we had 67 daily deaths which was the highest at that point.....
March 30th..............it was 374
April 7th it was 1037
April 14th is was 1041
April 21st it was 1166
so no deaths did not start to fall.
Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:59 pm
Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:10 pm
skidemin wrote:Doyley1927 wrote:skidemin wrote:Doyley1927 wrote:glas wrote:hahaha
The Tory party in England know the NHS is not capable of providing a smooth distribution and delivery of the vaccine, so they call in the army to provide distribution and 21 mobile "medic" teams to deliver the vaccine promptly, efficiently and to save lives.
The labour party in Wales as usual, believe they know what is best to do, leading to delays and potentially costing 100's of lives. Their plan? setup a committee to discuss it. Obviously the committee will need to be diverse in all aspects of gender, colour, sexuality and need to have socialist leanings, with the clear understanding that anything that goes wrong is the wicked Tories fault. They will be safe in the knowledge that their supporters will fully back this "careful" approach and will fully commit to blaming the Tories, and will blindly continue to vote Labour at any future elections.
I’m not on about the devolved government.
I’m talking about the Tory party in government of the Uk.
i think his point is that a lot of what goes on in Wales is not of their doing...
got to say the torys in Wales have been a bit slow though... when they get wind of what drakeford is about to announce they should be running around looking for a journo to get in first and claim it should have been done 2 hours earlier...
Of course there is the benefit of hindsight piece that Boris doesn’t have which makes his critics look a lot more competent. However he has been overly reactive from the start.
Lockdown announced 23 March. Much later than it should have been deaths start to fall 8 April.
PPE was not of the required standard. This would have been highlighted in a 2016 exercise of the exact thing that happened in 2020 had it not been cancelled due to Austerity. They then scratched round for PPE and (too many for it to be a co-incidence) contracts were given out to friends of the Tory party. Some of that PPE was not up to scratch.
Then the debacle over Christmas.
It was always going to be that the only way out of this was vaccination. That was clear. Yet back go the students to Uni spreading it all over.
I have no idea how Corbyn would have done but I suspect the NHS wouldn’t have been so criminally under funded under Labour.
killdown...
March the 23rd we had 67 daily deaths which was the highest at that point.....
March 30th..............it was 374
April 7th it was 1037
April 14th is was 1041
April 21st it was 1166
so no deaths did not start to fall.
Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:57 pm
Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:01 pm
WestCoastBlue wrote:skidemin wrote:Doyley1927 wrote:skidemin wrote:Doyley1927 wrote:glas wrote:hahaha
The Tory party in England know the NHS is not capable of providing a smooth distribution and delivery of the vaccine, so they call in the army to provide distribution and 21 mobile "medic" teams to deliver the vaccine promptly, efficiently and to save lives.
The labour party in Wales as usual, believe they know what is best to do, leading to delays and potentially costing 100's of lives. Their plan? setup a committee to discuss it. Obviously the committee will need to be diverse in all aspects of gender, colour, sexuality and need to have socialist leanings, with the clear understanding that anything that goes wrong is the wicked Tories fault. They will be safe in the knowledge that their supporters will fully back this "careful" approach and will fully commit to blaming the Tories, and will blindly continue to vote Labour at any future elections.
I’m not on about the devolved government.
I’m talking about the Tory party in government of the Uk.
i think his point is that a lot of what goes on in Wales is not of their doing...
got to say the torys in Wales have been a bit slow though... when they get wind of what drakeford is about to announce they should be running around looking for a journo to get in first and claim it should have been done 2 hours earlier...
Of course there is the benefit of hindsight piece that Boris doesn’t have which makes his critics look a lot more competent. However he has been overly reactive from the start.
Lockdown announced 23 March. Much later than it should have been deaths start to fall 8 April.
PPE was not of the required standard. This would have been highlighted in a 2016 exercise of the exact thing that happened in 2020 had it not been cancelled due to Austerity. They then scratched round for PPE and (too many for it to be a co-incidence) contracts were given out to friends of the Tory party. Some of that PPE was not up to scratch.
Then the debacle over Christmas.
It was always going to be that the only way out of this was vaccination. That was clear. Yet back go the students to Uni spreading it all over.
I have no idea how Corbyn would have done but I suspect the NHS wouldn’t have been so criminally under funded under Labour.
killdown...
March the 23rd we had 67 daily deaths which was the highest at that point.....
March 30th..............it was 374
April 7th it was 1037
April 14th is was 1041
April 21st it was 1166
so no deaths did not start to fall.
Keep going. What happened to the numbers after April 21st?
April 28th - 969
May 5th - 726
May 12th - 614
May 19th - 500
May 26th - 131
Between the 17th of June and the 12th of October there wasn’t a single day with over 100 Covid deaths.
So 4 weeks after lockdown is announced we see the deaths fall dramatically.
The virus takes 2-3 weeks to kill roughly and it spreads at an exponentially growing rate. Deaths also grow at an exponential rate in accordance with this. Just because Johnson said the magic word “lockdown” it doesn’t mean people with the virus suddenly lost it. Or that the people mingling in bars, clubs, restaurants, shops, pubs, schools, offices, etc suddenly weren’t infectious when they went home that night.
Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:34 pm
Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:45 pm
A Quiet Monkfish wrote:May 2024. Lots will have changed by then. I also think Starmer hasn't really done himself any favours - pretty much the same evry time he speaks - 'should have done this, should have done that...", you never really hear what he would have done. I also don't think he comes across that well on camera, a bit wooden in an era when image and personality are increasingly relevant in a media dominated world. They said Labour was doomed 2 yrs ago. The Tories will win easily in 2024 I think. I'll vote for the nuttiest person on the ballot paper as usual..
Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:27 pm
Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:39 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Hopefully, we will see an end to both Labour and Tory and something new emerges that can actually represent the people.
All of them are a shower of shite and there is almost no representation of the working class in Westminister.
Labour long ago ceased to be the party fo the working class and represent the Islington bubble, the Tory's no better. Lib-Dems and Greens are watermelon parties (green on the outside red to the core underneath). UKIP are a busted flush and Brexit Party was a one-off, with one agenda that unified a bunch of politicians that would be able to agree on very little else.
There really isn't much too choose at the minute.
Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:47 pm
skidemin wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:skidemin wrote:Doyley1927 wrote:skidemin wrote:Doyley1927 wrote:glas wrote:hahaha
The Tory party in England know the NHS is not capable of providing a smooth distribution and delivery of the vaccine, so they call in the army to provide distribution and 21 mobile "medic" teams to deliver the vaccine promptly, efficiently and to save lives.
The labour party in Wales as usual, believe they know what is best to do, leading to delays and potentially costing 100's of lives. Their plan? setup a committee to discuss it. Obviously the committee will need to be diverse in all aspects of gender, colour, sexuality and need to have socialist leanings, with the clear understanding that anything that goes wrong is the wicked Tories fault. They will be safe in the knowledge that their supporters will fully back this "careful" approach and will fully commit to blaming the Tories, and will blindly continue to vote Labour at any future elections.
I’m not on about the devolved government.
I’m talking about the Tory party in government of the Uk.
i think his point is that a lot of what goes on in Wales is not of their doing...
got to say the torys in Wales have been a bit slow though... when they get wind of what drakeford is about to announce they should be running around looking for a journo to get in first and claim it should have been done 2 hours earlier...
Of course there is the benefit of hindsight piece that Boris doesn’t have which makes his critics look a lot more competent. However he has been overly reactive from the start.
Lockdown announced 23 March. Much later than it should have been deaths start to fall 8 April.
PPE was not of the required standard. This would have been highlighted in a 2016 exercise of the exact thing that happened in 2020 had it not been cancelled due to Austerity. They then scratched round for PPE and (too many for it to be a co-incidence) contracts were given out to friends of the Tory party. Some of that PPE was not up to scratch.
Then the debacle over Christmas.
It was always going to be that the only way out of this was vaccination. That was clear. Yet back go the students to Uni spreading it all over.
I have no idea how Corbyn would have done but I suspect the NHS wouldn’t have been so criminally under funded under Labour.
killdown...
March the 23rd we had 67 daily deaths which was the highest at that point.....
March 30th..............it was 374
April 7th it was 1037
April 14th is was 1041
April 21st it was 1166
so no deaths did not start to fall.
Keep going. What happened to the numbers after April 21st?
April 28th - 969
May 5th - 726
May 12th - 614
May 19th - 500
May 26th - 131
Between the 17th of June and the 12th of October there wasn’t a single day with over 100 Covid deaths.
So 4 weeks after lockdown is announced we see the deaths fall dramatically.
The virus takes 2-3 weeks to kill roughly and it spreads at an exponentially growing rate. Deaths also grow at an exponential rate in accordance with this. Just because Johnson said the magic word “lockdown” it doesn’t mean people with the virus suddenly lost it. Or that the people mingling in bars, clubs, restaurants, shops, pubs, schools, offices, etc suddenly weren’t infectious when they went home that night.
keep going ?
youve done that for me... I wonder if 900 or even 137 is more than 67......erm....
ah right it takes 2 to 3 weeks which of course is why people are isolating for 3 weeks.... arnt they ?
and yes the numbers went down in the summer , really strange that.. and boris and vaughen and sturgeon and uncle tom cobly an all said we would probably have a 2nd wave in the WINTER... so strange they can predict that tbh..youd swear its a pattern that occurs during certain seasons....
as for 40 thousand people being infected for 3 whole months...just waw....
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:05 pm
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:15 pm
Felixstowe_jack wrote:Have you not noticed that the crown in Cardiff bay are doing a lot worse than the UK.
Least vaccination rate of all the four nations.
Second highest death rate per million in the world. Only Belgium id worse. The UK is 7th.
More cases of the virus than the rest of the UK including England.
I would worry about Drakeford's labour if I was you. Drakeford followed Starmer's 2 week firebreak a complete disaster for Wales.
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:56 pm
Felixstowe_jack wrote:Have you not noticed that the crown in Cardiff bay are doing a lot worse than the UK.
Least vaccination rate of all the four nations.
Second highest death rate per million in the world. Only Belgium id worse. The UK is 7th.
More cases of the virus than the rest of the UK including England.
I would worry about Drakeford's labour if I was you. Drakeford followed Starmer's 2 week firebreak a complete disaster for Wales.
Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:18 pm
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:08 pm
Doyley1927 wrote:If and when we get over this pandemic and the inquiries start does anyone else think it will be the end of the Tory party?
So many mistakes. Granted its unprecedented in its scope but austerity led to so many cuts we were not prepared and then mistake after mistake propped up by contracts for the boys. When this all gets broken down I truly believe the Tories will be done for.
I say this as someone who doesn’t want this to happen and hopes that a viable centre right party emerges from it. Although lately Sir Kier has impressed me quite a bit.
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:18 pm