Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:59 pm
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:17 pm
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Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:37 pm
Dazzy wrote:Yes. Selfish. The virus is wildly out of control. Death and NHS aside (which is obviously the biggest cost of their behaviour) they’re effectively just extending the amount of time the rest of us will have to spend in lockdown. The fine is definitely justified
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:52 pm
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:31 pm
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:21 pm
thomasblue wrote:Should make isolation camps for these idiots and make them stay in isolation for two weeks every time they are caught flouting rules . Big fines and Loss of any financial help from the government like furlough or grants. They would soon stop being knobs.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:31 pm
bluesince62 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Should make isolation camps for these idiots and make them stay in isolation for two weeks every time they are caught flouting rules . Big fines and Loss of any financial help from the government like furlough or grants. They would soon stop being knobs.
Why not round them up and execute them!!!
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:50 pm
ffs wrote:No, it's their life. They just choose not to spend it as a prisoner in their own home
Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:27 pm
thomasblue wrote:bluesince62 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Should make isolation camps for these idiots and make them stay in isolation for two weeks every time they are caught flouting rules . Big fines and Loss of any financial help from the government like furlough or grants. They would soon stop being knobs.
Why not round them up and execute them!!!
Thats if they do it a second time
Why should we have to pay the punishment of having to have multiple lockdowns because of these selfish idiots?
Treat them with the same respect they show everyone else
Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:49 pm
skidemin wrote:thomasblue wrote:bluesince62 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Should make isolation camps for these idiots and make them stay in isolation for two weeks every time they are caught flouting rules . Big fines and Loss of any financial help from the government like furlough or grants. They would soon stop being knobs.
Why not round them up and execute them!!!
Thats if they do it a second time
Why should we have to pay the punishment of having to have multiple lockdowns because of these selfish idiots?
Treat them with the same respect they show everyone else
no doubt you have not left your home at all since March.....
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:05 pm
thomasblue wrote:skidemin wrote:thomasblue wrote:bluesince62 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Should make isolation camps for these idiots and make them stay in isolation for two weeks every time they are caught flouting rules . Big fines and Loss of any financial help from the government like furlough or grants. They would soon stop being knobs.
Why not round them up and execute them!!!
Thats if they do it a second time
Why should we have to pay the punishment of having to have multiple lockdowns because of these selfish idiots?
Treat them with the same respect they show everyone else
no doubt you have not left your home at all since March.....
I have tried as much as possible to reduce the risk of spreading covid to others and also catching it myself.
Of course I have left the house but I certainly wouldn't meet up with a big group of friends at the moment , it is totally unacceptable and selfish whilst 95% of the population is trying hard to get rid of this virus.
Everyone has a different opinion which is fine but personally anyone seen flouting the request of the government and spreading false information should be heavily fined and forced to isolate away from those who are trying .
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:29 pm
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:34 pm
englishbluebird wrote:They are foolish most definetly and deserve the fine. However i wouldnt call them stupid, idotic ,or erm..... put them in a detention centre unless id not broken a single rule myself since March which I have(sorry). Can people name calling, getting angry, demanding a police state etc honestly say they have been the perfect citizen ?
Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:03 pm
thomasblue wrote:englishbluebird wrote:They are foolish most definetly and deserve the fine. However i wouldnt call them stupid, idotic ,or erm..... put them in a detention centre unless id not broken a single rule myself since March which I have(sorry). Can people name calling, getting angry, demanding a police state etc honestly say they have been the perfect citizen ?
I never said detention centre , I meant they should be forced to isolate and those who do not should be made to isolate in some sort of camp. We need to get rid of this virus or we will live our whole lives like this. If it takes tough measures like this then do be it.
And no I'm not perfect regarding rules but I'm not openly flouting and ignoring them either
Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:36 pm
thomasblue wrote:englishbluebird wrote:They are foolish most definetly and deserve the fine. However i wouldnt call them stupid, idotic ,or erm..... put them in a detention centre unless id not broken a single rule myself since March which I have(sorry). Can people name calling, getting angry, demanding a police state etc honestly say they have been the perfect citizen ?
I never said detention centre , I meant they should be forced to isolate and those who do not should be made to isolate in some sort of camp. We need to get rid of this virus or we will live our whole lives like this. If it takes tough measures like this then do be it.
And no I'm not perfect regarding rules but I'm not openly flouting and ignoring them either
Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:45 pm
Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:12 am
Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:11 am
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Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:59 pm
thomasblue wrote:bluesince62 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Should make isolation camps for these idiots and make them stay in isolation for two weeks every time they are caught flouting rules . Big fines and Loss of any financial help from the government like furlough or grants. They would soon stop being knobs.
Why not round them up and execute them!!!
Thats if they do it a second time
Why should we have to pay the punishment of having to have multiple lockdowns because of these selfish idiots?
Treat them with the same respect they show everyone else
Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:03 am
ffs wrote:No, it's their life. They just choose not to spend it as a prisoner in their own home
Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:03 pm
bleubird62 wrote:ffs wrote:No, it's their life. They just choose not to spend it as a prisoner in their own home
So, you make it sound like a binary choice, as if it was either , or. All nine of them had plenty of opportunities to leave their homes and exercise in their own areas. It’s not as if they are being asked to do something the rest of Wales isn’t, and it’s not as if news of both the Pandemic and the severity of its impact have not reached even those areas. ( I live in one of those areas, and I have heard the news). Grow up!
There will be a time to meet up with your mates near a beach, but now is not that time. We all have to make short term sacrifices for the greater good of all.
No one asked for this Pandemic so it’s nobody’s fault that we have it, but it is everybody’s responsibility to do something about it. “It’s what you do when you live in a herd”
Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:36 pm
ffs wrote:
What I'm saying is, no-one has a right to tell anyone else how to live their life
Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:43 pm
ffs wrote:bleubird62 wrote:ffs wrote:No, it's their life. They just choose not to spend it as a prisoner in their own home
So, you make it sound like a binary choice, as if it was either , or. All nine of them had plenty of opportunities to leave their homes and exercise in their own areas. It’s not as if they are being asked to do something the rest of Wales isn’t, and it’s not as if news of both the Pandemic and the severity of its impact have not reached even those areas. ( I live in one of those areas, and I have heard the news). Grow up!
There will be a time to meet up with your mates near a beach, but now is not that time. We all have to make short term sacrifices for the greater good of all.
No one asked for this Pandemic so it’s nobody’s fault that we have it, but it is everybody’s responsibility to do something about it. “It’s what you do when you live in a herd”
What I'm saying is, no-one has a right to tell anyone else how to live their life
Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:27 pm
piledriver64 wrote:ffs wrote:bleubird62 wrote:ffs wrote:No, it's their life. They just choose not to spend it as a prisoner in their own home
So, you make it sound like a binary choice, as if it was either , or. All nine of them had plenty of opportunities to leave their homes and exercise in their own areas. It’s not as if they are being asked to do something the rest of Wales isn’t, and it’s not as if news of both the Pandemic and the severity of its impact have not reached even those areas. ( I live in one of those areas, and I have heard the news). Grow up!
There will be a time to meet up with your mates near a beach, but now is not that time. We all have to make short term sacrifices for the greater good of all.
No one asked for this Pandemic so it’s nobody’s fault that we have it, but it is everybody’s responsibility to do something about it. “It’s what you do when you live in a herd”
What I'm saying is, no-one has a right to tell anyone else how to live their life
Whilst I wish you were right, you're clearly wrong !!
The elected government of every country sets the laws which actually dictates, to a large extent, how you live your life. In this instance the elected government set a whole load of restrictions (many of which I believe are absolute nonsense !!) by which we have to abide or face prosecution/punishment.
So unless you're making an argument for anarchy the only thing you can do is use any future votes wisely and vote for the party who will let you live a life as closest to what you want
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:05 am
Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:05 pm
ffs wrote:piledriver64 wrote:ffs wrote:bleubird62 wrote:ffs wrote:No, it's their life. They just choose not to spend it as a prisoner in their own home
So, you make it sound like a binary choice, as if it was either , or. All nine of them had plenty of opportunities to leave their homes and exercise in their own areas. It’s not as if they are being asked to do something the rest of Wales isn’t, and it’s not as if news of both the Pandemic and the severity of its impact have not reached even those areas. ( I live in one of those areas, and I have heard the news). Grow up!
There will be a time to meet up with your mates near a beach, but now is not that time. We all have to make short term sacrifices for the greater good of all.
No one asked for this Pandemic so it’s nobody’s fault that we have it, but it is everybody’s responsibility to do something about it. “It’s what you do when you live in a herd”
What I'm saying is, no-one has a right to tell anyone else how to live their life
Whilst I wish you were right, you're clearly wrong !!
The elected government of every country sets the laws which actually dictates, to a large extent, how you live your life. In this instance the elected government set a whole load of restrictions (many of which I believe are absolute nonsense !!) by which we have to abide or face prosecution/punishment.
So unless you're making an argument for anarchy the only thing you can do is use any future votes wisely and vote for the party who will let you live a life as closest to what you want
People travelling to Barry Island to meet with friends is not anarchy
Evidence over asymptomatic transmission is very weak so I'm not having that. You can't lock away fit healthy people. If people want to carry on with their lives, and not give into the media and govt's fear mongering, then good on them
Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:13 pm
bleubird62 wrote:ffs wrote:piledriver64 wrote:ffs wrote:bleubird62 wrote:ffs wrote:No, it's their life. They just choose not to spend it as a prisoner in their own home
So, you make it sound like a binary choice, as if it was either , or. All nine of them had plenty of opportunities to leave their homes and exercise in their own areas. It’s not as if they are being asked to do something the rest of Wales isn’t, and it’s not as if news of both the Pandemic and the severity of its impact have not reached even those areas. ( I live in one of those areas, and I have heard the news). Grow up!
There will be a time to meet up with your mates near a beach, but now is not that time. We all have to make short term sacrifices for the greater good of all.
No one asked for this Pandemic so it’s nobody’s fault that we have it, but it is everybody’s responsibility to do something about it. “It’s what you do when you live in a herd”
What I'm saying is, no-one has a right to tell anyone else how to live their life
Whilst I wish you were right, you're clearly wrong !!
The elected government of every country sets the laws which actually dictates, to a large extent, how you live your life. In this instance the elected government set a whole load of restrictions (many of which I believe are absolute nonsense !!) by which we have to abide or face prosecution/punishment.
So unless you're making an argument for anarchy the only thing you can do is use any future votes wisely and vote for the party who will let you live a life as closest to what you want
People travelling to Barry Island to meet with friends is not anarchy
Evidence over asymptomatic transmission is very weak so I'm not having that. You can't lock away fit healthy people. If people want to carry on with their lives, and not give into the media and govt's fear mongering, then good on them
I am afraid you are clearly wrong again. You may think the evidence of asymptomatic transmission is weak, but the medical community doesn’t. Perhaps you would like to publish your research and set out your evidence base for that comment.
Whilst at present it may not be an issue in under 11’s, it is the level of asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic transmission in adults that is making the virus so difficult to control. Especially as we now have a new variant which is 70% more transmissible, and therefore much more easily spread. This is why social distancing is so important, as is getting tested and self - isolating where appropriate. Not for the government’s sake, but for our families, friends, and neighbours.
We currently have a situation where the UTI’s in Wales are running at 152% capacity, where ITU staff are breaking themselves to make the care work; large numbers of ITU staff experiencing significant psychological strain., resulting in mental ill health. WE have almost 3000 patients in hospital beds with an illness that we did not know about a year ago. These are beds which are now not available for other patients who also have needs. WE have people unable to get investigations and treatment they need because COVID patients are, ( necessarily),using up resources that would have gone to them.
The Health sector is doing their best to work through this, and save as many lives as possible; and all we are being asked to do is to place some temporary curtailments on our lives to limit the spread of the virus. Most of the people in Wales this that is a reasonable ask, and are helping out by readily accepting that.
Nobody is “scaremongering”, it’s just that people are presented with real time data that is rather scary, those are two completely different things. Putting your fingers in your ears and not listening to the facts will not alter them I am afraid.
The point is that we are all being asked to curtail our freedoms for a short while in order to be able to enjoy them for a longer time as soon as we get on top of the virus. The vast majority of people get that. IN fact is is most people in Wales, but as the Chief Medical Officer said in his briefing today, “most is not enough”. The sad fact is that the behaviour of a small amount of people is having an impact that is way out of proportion to their number.
The very small minority who do not follow the (reasonable) rules, are either ignorant of the facts, or self centred or both.
I do not call breaking lockdown rules “getting on with their lives”. I must admit i find that comment insulting.
It essentially is sticking two fingers up at he overwhelming majority of the population who are trying to do their bit by following the rules.
It is sticking their two fingers at the vastly overworked Hospital doctors who are working overtime, in very difficult conditions to try and save lives.
It is sticking their two fingers up at large numbers of patients in pain and unable to have surgery because COVID patients are taking up vast quantities of beds. And patients with heart, and other disease who cannot be treated as promptly as they should because of the burden of care placed on the Hospital Sector by COVID.
They are sticking their two fingers up at businesses who now find themselves closed because the irresponsible behaviour of a few has led to these destructive lockdowns.
They are also sticking their two fingers up at other innocent people trying to follow the rules who may be the last link in the infection chain these people may have started and find themselves in ITU or worse because people such as these 9 idiots cannot grow up and control themselves.
Please stop trying to defend indefensible behaviour, it doesn’t make you look good.
AS far as comment about no-one has the right to tell anyone else how to live their life. Really? So no one has the right to set limits on how you drive your car on public roads, no one has the right to expect you not to kill innocent people, no one has the right to expect you not to go about robbing banks? I could go on, but that comment is patently absurd.
I think it is time to do a reality check.