Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:07 pm
Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:34 pm
Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:41 pm
Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:50 pm
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:04 pm
TheHangedMan wrote:When are these losers going to realise that there is a wave, possibly tidal, moving against what most see as the norm.
Firstly it is unconstitutional to try to impeach a civilian in the US constitution.......the only reason I can see any basis for this facade is if they actually thought DT was still the President.....mmmmm.
Secondly, assuming they think he still is their President, how in the hell did they think that enough "Rebublicans" were going to turn.?
Money is no object in the pursuit of evil.....but what a waste of money and media time that was! This will all play out in the next few months. Nice one orange man, you live and die by the true constitution of the USA.
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:12 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Oh sh1t...they tried impeaching an "ex president", so all ex presidents like Bush, Clinton, Obama etc are f**ked now from their previous crimes...Trump has allowed the Dems to do all the work for him, they've opened the front door and made the biggest mistake of their lives... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... h-verdict/
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:12 pm
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:16 pm
stickywicket wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Oh sh1t...they tried impeaching an "ex president", so all ex presidents like Bush, Clinton, Obama etc are f**ked now from their previous crimes...Trump has allowed the Dems to do all the work for him, they've opened the front door and made the biggest mistake of their lives... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... h-verdict/
To to be fair Clinton's defence that a blow job isn't sex was top draw.Never to be beaten.
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:47 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:51 pm
Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:48 am
Sven wrote:I can't begin to explain why the OP is so wrong but I will try...
Donald J Trump was technically found GUILTY of the charges laid against him by simple majority
What didn't occur was a SUFFICIENT majority (2 thirds) to make it count
I have watched events avidly until the early hours of the mornimg and there is an almost universal condemnation of Donald J Trump, including by the leaders of his own Party the Retrumplicans
That they 'bottled' it (some would simply say 'find a route out') is going to be something they have to wrestle with for the rest of their lives
The 'people' won't forgive them either. Seven people died because of his incitement and many more were injured and even more families will be ruined by the actions of the surrectionists who were drawn in by his lies
Donald J Trump, ironically, is a busted flush and will find real 'friends' hard to come by going forward
Shame on Donald J Trump, shame on the Republican Party (seven honest people apart) and shame on those who were stupid enough to put their hats on a narcissistic despot...!
Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:53 am
Sven wrote:I can't begin to explain why the OP is so wrong but I will try...
Donald J Trump was technically found GUILTY of the charges laid against him by simple majority
What didn't occur was a SUFFICIENT majority (2 thirds) to make it count
I have watched events avidly until the early hours of the mornimg and there is an almost universal condemnation of Donald J Trump, including by the leaders of his own Party the Retrumplicans
That they 'bottled' it (some would simply say 'find a route out') is going to be something they have to wrestle with for the rest of their lives
The 'people' won't forgive them either. Seven people died because of his incitement and many more were injured and even more families will be ruined by the actions of the surrectionists who were drawn in by his lies
Donald J Trump, ironically, is a busted flush and will find real 'friends' hard to come by going forward
Shame on Donald J Trump, shame on the Republican Party (seven honest people apart) and shame on those who were stupid enough to put their hats on a narcissistic despot...!
Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:28 am
piledriver64 wrote:This is nothing to do with what was right and wrong.
Both parties voted along party lines.
Just glad this country doesn’t put justice in the hands of politicians like they do in the US.
Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:02 am
Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:39 am
Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:19 am
Bigmarkw wrote:Trump is someone a lot of everyday people like and want. The establishment and media hate him because they can’t control him and that upsets them. They know hes the republicans best chance by far to win the next election and let’s be honest if the media didn’t have they own agenda and broadcast by far the most biased news reports I’ve ever seen trump would have one again.
Bottom line is trump is supported by a wide range of American citizens. It’s they country and they vote time people started to respect this, irrelevant of they personal beliefs.
Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:23 am
Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:15 am
Blue78 wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:Trump is someone a lot of everyday people like and want. The establishment and media hate him because they can’t control him and that upsets them. They know hes the republicans best chance by far to win the next election and let’s be honest if the media didn’t have they own agenda and broadcast by far the most biased news reports I’ve ever seen trump would have one again.
Bottom line is trump is supported by a wide range of American citizens. It’s they country and they vote time people started to respect this, irrelevant of they personal beliefs.
He is also a person that many other people despise and don’t want - and there is the the problem. He (not the party) is decisive and has ‘built’ himself on being deliberately just that.
Maybe the main stream media issue with him is the same as the 80M + who didn’t vote for him - namely his self serving reason for power. Seems he only has an issue with the media that question him - and even Fox were thrown under the bus when they started to challenge him. That is incredibly dangerous.
Here is a man who on camera, audio or Twitter has openly mocked disabled people, make racists remarks, talked about groping woman, failed to condemned far right groups when a young woman was killed, spun lie after lie about the elevation (more on this later), turned on his own VP when he wouldn’t go against the constitution and in true mafia style, hired someone to do his dirty work for him so he could keep his own hands clean - problem is Rudy was stupid enough to leave a trail of audio to show exactly what they were up to.
Even the court that Trump loaded with his own people, threw his case out.
On the point about election lies, there is a worrying physiological propaganda that politicians like Trump peddle.
In 2016 when he thought Clinton was going to win the election (even after voting was closed) he kept talking up how the system was rigged and floored and that was the only reason he’d lose. When he then won, he never ever questioned this ‘rigged’ voting system again until the 2020 election when he spun the same narrative before, during and after the election. There was no issue with the swing states in 2016 that he took back for the republicans...but apparently in 2020 those states are ‘corrupt’ and ‘always have been’.
Funnily enough his ‘pal’ Farage did exactly the same thing with Brexit - on the night of the vote, saying if it was 52-48 remain the system was rigged against them and they would keep fighting. Yet only a matter of hours later, apparently the system was perfect and anyone questioning the result was bitter.
He was found guilty last night by a significant majority and even the leader of his own party said that he was guilt in a damning statement - That system that Trump apparently derides so much saved him from being convicted as it rightly requires a 2/3 majority to avoid impeachment being decided based on size of party.
Anybody that thinks that this billionaire business man who has shown little desire for philanthropy, any history of investing in these communities in the past or shared any evidence that he has even paid taxes is ‘in it for the little man’ has frankly been totally taken in by his propaganda and lies in exactly the way that he planned.
Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:32 am
ealing_ayatollah wrote:He didn't get impeached because there was no case against him that wouldn't that set precedent against a lot of senior Democrats as well including Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi and especially Maxine Waters who went passed the line both Trump and other politicians tend to dance and explicitly called for political violence, twice.
Trump's speech literally called for people to patriotically a peacefully march and was still going at the time the capitol was 'stormed.'
In the meantime while this expensive distraction has been going on the Biden administration has signed more executive orders than Obama, Bush and Clinton combined, many of which are ill thought out and a complete odds with each other.
Biden is nothing more than a puppet but the people behind him pulling the strings are truly terrifying but to be honest impressively masterful in a machevellian way.
The Trump impeachment trial was a circus act, classic misdirection and nothing more.
America will return to war somewhere this year. They'll go back to bombing kids who just happened to be in the way.
Trump was the first president in decades not to start a war, just remember that when another evil dictator happens to emerge in the middle East and causes Team America to save the day by bombing the shit out of civillians.
But for now though Orange Man Bad, Senile Man Good I guess.
Now who wants some cake...
Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:55 am
WestCoastBlue wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:
How big is your folder of memes and pictures for when Trump proves voter fraud and a rigged election and sends crooked Hilary and Sleepy Joe to a jail beyond the shiny new Mexican border wall? You could probably delete it if you need the hard drive space
Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:00 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:
How big is your folder of memes and pictures for when Trump proves voter fraud and a rigged election and sends crooked Hilary and Sleepy Joe to a jail beyond the shiny new Mexican border wall? You could probably delete it if you need the hard drive space
Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:00 pm
Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:41 pm
AHERNE wrote:When are you Trump supporters going to move on? He lost. Get over it.
Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:21 pm
AHERNE wrote:When are you Trump supporters going to move on? He lost. Get over it.
Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:49 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Perhaps the hundreds of times he called the election rigged and that people were stealing it might have played a part.
Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:57 pm
TheHangedMan wrote:Sven wrote:I can't begin to explain why the OP is so wrong but I will try...
Donald J Trump was technically found GUILTY of the charges laid against him by simple majority
What didn't occur was a SUFFICIENT majority (2 thirds) to make it count
I have watched events avidly until the early hours of the mornimg and there is an almost universal condemnation of Donald J Trump, including by the leaders of his own Party the Retrumplicans
That they 'bottled' it (some would simply say 'find a route out') is going to be something they have to wrestle with for the rest of their lives
The 'people' won't forgive them either. Seven people died because of his incitement and many more were injured and even more families will be ruined by the actions of the surrectionists who were drawn in by his lies
Donald J Trump, ironically, is a busted flush and will find real 'friends' hard to come by going forward
Shame on Donald J Trump, shame on the Republican Party (seven honest people apart) and shame on those who were stupid enough to put their hats on a narcissistic despot...!
Chris, I truly feel humbled by your obvious total knowledge of the US system and what is right and wrong thereof. As you are so aware please tell me where the US constitution can impeach a citizen. As soon as he was not in office there was no case to answer....FACT. The question therein in lies, is he still in office????
There is a narrative, admittedly by the MSM, to which you know I dispute, that Donald J Trump is the anti-christ. All that comes out from him is obviously evil. It got so bad that recognised world platforms had to ban his speech!!! He was obviously so toxic, organising Antifa and BLM activists to "attack" the Capitol.
Stand back for one minute, do some research (not the BBC), and then see what really happened.
Trust me, when you understand that, you will start to get a grip on the lies you have been spun.
But I guess you don't want to understand, or question, or second guess the narrative you portray.....because if you did you firstly would be shocked and stunned, and after that would quickly follow the feeling of anger that something made you look so stupid.
But you are not stupid Chris........do the research.
Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:19 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Weird way to look at it, given its the establishment who have acquitted him.
Either way, hopefully those on all sides will draw a line under it all now so they can unite their country.
I did say before both times they tried to impeach him that it was all going to be academic, because he was always going to be acquitted by the Senate.
Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:22 pm
Sven wrote:But having watched him I the years since, I can only conclude that the man is not a person that should hold such high officef
Sven wrote:As always, I respect your views and appreciate the tone in which we are able to converse
Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:25 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Perhaps the hundreds of times he called the election rigged and that people were stealing it might have played a part.
Is playing a 'part enough' for impeachment on the ground of incitement or just more Orange Man Bad?
Let's look at some undeniable facts around the election:
Biden had 13Million more votes than Obama despite not really campaigning at all.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-popular-vote-record-barack-obama-us-presidential-election-donald-trump/
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/09/joe-bide ... tion-trump
Biden lost all but one bellwether county, something that has never happened in the history of US elections and 19 of these had called every election since 1980 - Trump won 18 of the 19
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/18/biden-win-ends-streak-for-us-election-bellwethers/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... unties-go/
Trump is the only sitting President since John Quincy Adams almost a hundred years ago to have increased his vote and not get re-elected
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election
More people voted for Trump than any other sitting president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election
Trump increased his vote amongst minority voters and historically whenever a republican does this they get re-elected.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-vote-rising-among-blacks-hispanics-despite-conventional-wisdom-ncna1245787
The undercard votes on Biden tickets were again at record lows compared not just to US elections but pretty much any free and fair election in the world.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/11/bidens-popular-vote-win-didnt-help-house-democrats/617211/
Biden only made grounds in the key states he needed to win
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/02/940689086/narrow-wins-in-these-key-states-powered-biden-to-the-presidency
The democrats took heavy losses in the house and senate across the board except in the swing states.
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/15/934586955/house-democrats-dissect-what-went-wrong-and-how-to-rebound-from-losses
Mail-in voting which is open to widespread fraud was heavily used in a US election for the first time and it was pushed hard by the democrats.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26487418
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... n-analysis
Changes to voting regulations and legislations were introduced in key states shortly before the election
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/9-states-where-rules-voting-have-been-changed-or-challenged-n1026886
There isn't a single thing in the above list that is remotely questionable and looking at the above it is reasonable assertion to suggest the election could have been open to fraud. I'm not saying fraud happened, just that it could have and the above list of fully verifiable facts that statistically are all anomalous when combined would raise enough legitimate doubts to warrant an investigation to make sure the election was able to hold up to scrutiny.
This means Trump, as sitting president during the 2020 election, had a legal, constitutional and moral duty to question the veracity of the results fully within the remit of the US legal system on behalf of the 74 million people who voted for him to ensure that all votes were treated equally as per the 14th Amendment.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interact ... ndment-xiv
Equally, incitement has a very distinct legal definition in the US: the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2102
Nothing he has said at any point was even close to incitement, and every move he made was not only made through the legal channels but technically it can be argued he was obligated to make as sitting President to uphold the constitution.
The whole impeachment was never ever going to hold water.
What I found interesting was how shite Trump's lawyers were, I get that they knew it never really mattered anyway, but with the publicity surrounding the impeachment, trial I'm surprised they didn't go to town on ripping the democrats to shreds. That plus the lack of pardon for Assange suggests a deal has been done for something, but I'm not sure what.
Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:22 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Perhaps the hundreds of times he called the election rigged and that people were stealing it might have played a part.
Is playing a 'part enough' for impeachment on the ground of incitement or just more Orange Man Bad?
Let's look at some undeniable facts around the election:
Biden had 13Million more votes than Obama despite not really campaigning at all.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-popular-vote-record-barack-obama-us-presidential-election-donald-trump/
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/09/joe-bide ... tion-trump
Biden lost all but one bellwether county, something that has never happened in the history of US elections and 19 of these had called every election since 1980 - Trump won 18 of the 19
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/18/biden-win-ends-streak-for-us-election-bellwethers/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... unties-go/
Trump is the only sitting President since John Quincy Adams almost a hundred years ago to have increased his vote and not get re-elected
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election
More people voted for Trump than any other sitting president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election
Trump increased his vote amongst minority voters and historically whenever a republican does this they get re-elected.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-vote-rising-among-blacks-hispanics-despite-conventional-wisdom-ncna1245787
The undercard votes on Biden tickets were again at record lows compared not just to US elections but pretty much any free and fair election in the world.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/11/bidens-popular-vote-win-didnt-help-house-democrats/617211/
Biden only made grounds in the key states he needed to win
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/02/940689086/narrow-wins-in-these-key-states-powered-biden-to-the-presidency
The democrats took heavy losses in the house and senate across the board except in the swing states.
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/15/934586955/house-democrats-dissect-what-went-wrong-and-how-to-rebound-from-losses
Mail-in voting which is open to widespread fraud was heavily used in a US election for the first time and it was pushed hard by the democrats.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26487418
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... n-analysis
Changes to voting regulations and legislations were introduced in key states shortly before the election
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/9-states-where-rules-voting-have-been-changed-or-challenged-n1026886
There isn't a single thing in the above list that is remotely questionable and looking at the above it is reasonable assertion to suggest the election could have been open to fraud. I'm not saying fraud happened, just that it could have and the above list of fully verifiable facts that statistically are all anomalous when combined would raise enough legitimate doubts to warrant an investigation to make sure the election was able to hold up to scrutiny.
This means Trump, as sitting president during the 2020 election, had a legal, constitutional and moral duty to question the veracity of the results fully within the remit of the US legal system on behalf of the 74 million people who voted for him to ensure that all votes were treated equally as per the 14th Amendment.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interact ... ndment-xiv
Equally, incitement has a very distinct legal definition in the US: the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2102
Nothing he has said at any point was even close to incitement, and every move he made was not only made through the legal channels but technically it can be argued he was obligated to make as sitting President to uphold the constitution.
The whole impeachment was never ever going to hold water.
What I found interesting was how shite Trump's lawyers were, I get that they knew it never really mattered anyway, but with the publicity surrounding the impeachment, trial I'm surprised they didn't go to town on ripping the democrats to shreds. That plus the lack of pardon for Assange suggests a deal has been done for something, but I'm not sure what.