Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:06 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:It would be great if that amount of people would march against why we have foodbanks, why are people homeless, why the rich getting richer, why the elite are getting away with anything and everything. White collar crime goes untouched.
Agree with you, much better than 2m covid spreaders!
Hmmm how many people go to the supermarkets every day ?
Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:21 pm
maccydee wrote:bluesince62 wrote:maccydee wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:The truth is scientists and medical experts knew everything about Covid 19 in March 2020 and it’s very low mortality rate and that is a Fact. Yep Igovner my wife has MS and we have done everything to protect her from viruses (all of them) for nearly 12 years. And Covid19 is absolutely no different. I have never said Covid19 was fake just the pandemic is fake.
Covid19 never destroyed thousands of businesses the government has.
Covid19 never put many thousands if not millions on the dole the government has
Covid19 was not responsible for countless suicides due to this the government was
Covid19 was not responsible for mental health issues going through the roof the government was.
Covid19 was not responsible for the old dying on their own in care homes the government was
Covid19 was not responsible for everyone not seeing their own family for a year the government was.
Who has gained from this ? Supermarkets and they have been taking record amounts every day. Amazon have had a record year and taking on many more workers all on minimum wage and so are the likes of DPD etc. PPE Companies are making record amounts and politicians that gave their mates the contracts.
And to answer one question of why there was a demo ? The clue was in the title “Freedom March”.
So can people stop saying that I think Covid19 is fake it isn’t just it’s no bloody different from other viruses we have all lived with for as long as humans have been about.
Nukes it is different.
It’s new.
What coronavirus is new? No it isnt at all, this is just another strain of it.
This is new and vastly different to any other. Hence it’s killing people.
Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:38 pm
Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:31 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:maccydee wrote:bluesince62 wrote:maccydee wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:The truth is scientists and medical experts knew everything about Covid 19 in March 2020 and it’s very low mortality rate and that is a Fact. Yep Igovner my wife has MS and we have done everything to protect her from viruses (all of them) for nearly 12 years. And Covid19 is absolutely no different. I have never said Covid19 was fake just the pandemic is fake.
Covid19 never destroyed thousands of businesses the government has.
Covid19 never put many thousands if not millions on the dole the government has
Covid19 was not responsible for countless suicides due to this the government was
Covid19 was not responsible for mental health issues going through the roof the government was.
Covid19 was not responsible for the old dying on their own in care homes the government was
Covid19 was not responsible for everyone not seeing their own family for a year the government was.
Who has gained from this ? Supermarkets and they have been taking record amounts every day. Amazon have had a record year and taking on many more workers all on minimum wage and so are the likes of DPD etc. PPE Companies are making record amounts and politicians that gave their mates the contracts.
And to answer one question of why there was a demo ? The clue was in the title “Freedom March”.
So can people stop saying that I think Covid19 is fake it isn’t just it’s no bloody different from other viruses we have all lived with for as long as humans have been about.
Nukes it is different.
It’s new.
What coronavirus is new? No it isnt at all, this is just another strain of it.
This is new and vastly different to any other. Hence it’s killing people.
When you say its new are you referring to the India variant or something else?
If Indian variant - do you have a source for that as I've not seen anything that would suggest it is more deadly (not saying it is;t there I just haven't seen it)
Looking at the data, India's currently suffering appx two deaths per million people a day at the moment during this spike in infections which has well surpassed their first wave. In comparison at the peak of our second wave in January, our peak was 18 deaths per million.
Indian variant looks to be more transmissible and India is facing a tragedy given the size of population and lack of practical infrastructure to handle an epidemic at that scale, but the variant doesn't seem to be anymore or less deadly?
Like I say I might have missed something, so asking in the best of intentions
Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:34 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:It would be great if that amount of people would march against why we have foodbanks, why are people homeless, why the rich getting richer, why the elite are getting away with anything and everything. White collar crime goes untouched.
Agree with you, much better than 2m covid spreaders!
Hmmm how many people go to the supermarkets every day ?
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:13 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:rumpo kid wrote:But those with Covid may have died of their underlying health conditions. In which case, Covid did not kill them. I can’t prove that, like your statements, it’s supposition.
Read my last post I have highlighted the important part
If they did not catch covid then they may not have died with their underlining health conditions
But as the fact goes death rates in 2020 was statistically the same as deaths over the last 30-40 years.
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:37 pm
Igovernor wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:It would be great if that amount of people would march against why we have foodbanks, why are people homeless, why the rich getting richer, why the elite are getting away with anything and everything. White collar crime goes untouched.
Agree with you, much better than 2m covid spreaders!
Hmmm how many people go to the supermarkets every day ?
99.9% wearing masks this march I quote from the flyer
"No need to wear masks"
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:39 pm
WestCoastBlue wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:rumpo kid wrote:But those with Covid may have died of their underlying health conditions. In which case, Covid did not kill them. I can’t prove that, like your statements, it’s supposition.
Read my last post I have highlighted the important part
If they did not catch covid then they may not have died with their underlining health conditions
But as the fact goes death rates in 2020 was statistically the same as deaths over the last 30-40 years.
That's simply not true though and it's something you've continually stated despite people pointing out it's incorrect. Simply saying it's a fact does not make it so.
In 2020 in England and Wales there were 608,002 deaths, in 2019 there were 530,841 deaths.
Between 1990 and 2019 the average deaths per year was ~530,700.
Between 2000 and 2019 it was ~515,000.
Between 2010 and 2019 it was ~513,000.
2020's number of deaths was a 15% increase on the 30 year average, an 18% increase on the 20 year average and a 19% increase on the previous 10 year average.
All of this info is easily found on the ONS website:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... 1990to2020
Below shows the number of deaths since 1990 and how it's changed over time:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:05 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:rumpo kid wrote:But those with Covid may have died of their underlying health conditions. In which case, Covid did not kill them. I can’t prove that, like your statements, it’s supposition.
Read my last post I have highlighted the important part
If they did not catch covid then they may not have died with their underlining health conditions
But as the fact goes death rates in 2020 was statistically the same as deaths over the last 30-40 years.
That's simply not true though and it's something you've continually stated despite people pointing out it's incorrect. Simply saying it's a fact does not make it so.
In 2020 in England and Wales there were 608,002 deaths, in 2019 there were 530,841 deaths.
Between 1990 and 2019 the average deaths per year was ~530,700.
Between 2000 and 2019 it was ~515,000.
Between 2010 and 2019 it was ~513,000.
2020's number of deaths was a 15% increase on the 30 year average, an 18% increase on the 20 year average and a 19% increase on the previous 10 year average.
All of this info is easily found on the ONS website:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... 1990to2020
Below shows the number of deaths since 1990 and how it's changed over time:
The government statistics I saw was the last 40 years. And how many have died of suicide this past year ? Add that on to your above total as it’s huge.
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:22 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:It would be great if that amount of people would march against why we have foodbanks, why are people homeless, why the rich getting richer, why the elite are getting away with anything and everything. White collar crime goes untouched.
Agree with you, much better than 2m covid spreaders!
Hmmm how many people go to the supermarkets every day ?
99.9% wearing masks this march I quote from the flyer
"No need to wear masks"
Masks don’t protect you from viruses. The only way you could spread is sneezing or coughing so just like your mother taught you cover you mouth with your hand as others don’t want your germs. The fact is you hand gives you a perfect seal is lost on most but masks do not in any way shape or form. Now cover your face alike a good boy
Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:30 pm
WestCoastBlue wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:rumpo kid wrote:But those with Covid may have died of their underlying health conditions. In which case, Covid did not kill them. I can’t prove that, like your statements, it’s supposition.
Read my last post I have highlighted the important part
If they did not catch covid then they may not have died with their underlining health conditions
But as the fact goes death rates in 2020 was statistically the same as deaths over the last 30-40 years.
That's simply not true though and it's something you've continually stated despite people pointing out it's incorrect. Simply saying it's a fact does not make it so.
In 2020 in England and Wales there were 608,002 deaths, in 2019 there were 530,841 deaths.
Between 1990 and 2019 the average deaths per year was ~530,700.
Between 2000 and 2019 it was ~515,000.
Between 2010 and 2019 it was ~513,000.
2020's number of deaths was a 15% increase on the 30 year average, an 18% increase on the 20 year average and a 19% increase on the previous 10 year average.
All of this info is easily found on the ONS website:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... 1990to2020
Below shows the number of deaths since 1990 and how it's changed over time:
The government statistics I saw was the last 40 years. And how many have died of suicide this past year ? Add that on to your above total as it’s huge.
Okay including the 1980's then the average deaths per year from 1980 to 2019 was 542,000. Which means 2020 was a 12% increase on the 40 year average. So saying 2020 was statistically the same as the last 30-40 years is still incorrect, these numbers also being from the ONS:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... 1980to1992
If we add the new numbers to the same graph:
Also I don't understand your point about suicides? The 608k figure includes all deaths from all causes in England and Wales in 2020, including suicides.
Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:39 pm
Igovernor wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:It would be great if that amount of people would march against why we have foodbanks, why are people homeless, why the rich getting richer, why the elite are getting away with anything and everything. White collar crime goes untouched.
Agree with you, much better than 2m covid spreaders!
Hmmm how many people go to the supermarkets every day ?
99.9% wearing masks this march I quote from the flyer
"No need to wear masks"
Masks don’t protect you from viruses. The only way you could spread is sneezing or coughing so just like your mother taught you cover you mouth with your hand as others don’t want your germs. The fact is you hand gives you a perfect seal is lost on most but masks do not in any way shape or form. Now cover your face alike a good boy
Wow are you for real, of course masks protect you, I suppose you read this on some spurious website. I have been in the medical profession all my life and I do know more about infections and protection than you ever will, if you spent the rest of your life learning about it. Covid19 is not only airbourne but can be passed by contact. Someone has covid coughs into their hand, (as you say) shakes hands with you and you touch your mouth job done.
I have just realized something, so I will waste no more time posting, to someone that is absolutely nuts, I just hope you don't catch covid on you nice little walk to freedom
Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:45 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Igovernor wrote:rumpo kid wrote:But those with Covid may have died of their underlying health conditions. In which case, Covid did not kill them. I can’t prove that, like your statements, it’s supposition.
Read my last post I have highlighted the important part
If they did not catch covid then they may not have died with their underlining health conditions
But as the fact goes death rates in 2020 was statistically the same as deaths over the last 30-40 years.
That's simply not true though and it's something you've continually stated despite people pointing out it's incorrect. Simply saying it's a fact does not make it so.
In 2020 in England and Wales there were 608,002 deaths, in 2019 there were 530,841 deaths.
Between 1990 and 2019 the average deaths per year was ~530,700.
Between 2000 and 2019 it was ~515,000.
Between 2010 and 2019 it was ~513,000.
2020's number of deaths was a 15% increase on the 30 year average, an 18% increase on the 20 year average and a 19% increase on the previous 10 year average.
All of this info is easily found on the ONS website:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... 1990to2020
Below shows the number of deaths since 1990 and how it's changed over time:
The government statistics I saw was the last 40 years. And how many have died of suicide this past year ? Add that on to your above total as it’s huge.
Okay including the 1980's then the average deaths per year from 1980 to 2019 was 542,000. Which means 2020 was a 12% increase on the 40 year average. So saying 2020 was statistically the same as the last 30-40 years is still incorrect, these numbers also being from the ONS:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... 1980to1992
If we add the new numbers to the same graph:
Also I don't understand your point about suicides? The 608k figure includes all deaths from all causes in England and Wales in 2020, including suicides.
What I meant to say and to late to edit that suicide is also included obviously and they were massive. And not to mention deaths by hospitals not doing surgery many could of been life savers as well. Preventable deaths is occurring not of Covid but because of Covid.
Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:59 pm
maccydee wrote:
No I mean Covid 19 is a new coronavirus and isn’t the same as other corona viruses which don’t kill people.
Quite clearly people die with or of Covid 19 and it was first seen late 2019. Hence it is new.
The people who say differently are wrong.
The variants out there are offshoots of the Covid 19 coronavirus which the experts said would happen.
Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:31 pm
Igovernor wrote:I have been in the medical profession all my life and I do know more about infections and protection than you ever will, if you spent the rest of your life learning about it. Covid19 is not only airbourne but can be passed by contact.
Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:43 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:maccydee wrote:
No I mean Covid 19 is a new coronavirus and isn’t the same as other corona viruses which don’t kill people.
Quite clearly people die with or of Covid 19 and it was first seen late 2019. Hence it is new.
The people who say differently are wrong.
The variants out there are offshoots of the Covid 19 coronavirus which the experts said would happen.
Ah OK understand what your saying now thanks for clarifying.
It's not quite as simple as that though...
MERS, SwineFLu and SARS are all coronaviruses that killed people. COVID19 (SARS-CoV-2) isn't any different in that regard in fact SARS had a much higher mortality rate and was about 10% more likely to result in hospitalisation. The difference is that the transmission rate for COVID is much higher.
There has also been some well-respected research from late last year that t-cell generation resulting from previous coronavirus infection offer some immunity specifically to SARS COV-2.
To quote from the report (links below)
Instead of continuing uninformative mass PCR testing, what we need are thoroughly conducted population-based epidemiological studies of immunity (pre-existing, acquired, maintained) because it has been shown, that “infection with coronaviruses induces multi-specific and long-lasting T-cell immunity that affects the susceptibility to and pathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2 infection in the population”. [6] This knowledge is crucial also with respect to the usefulness and safety of covid-19 vaccines.
The suppression strategy does not appear to have protected the most vulnerable and in our eyes may have done more harm than good and should therefore be abandoned as soon as possible. As most coronavirus deaths occurred in large nursing homes and care homes, it is of paramount importance that pandemic preparedness plans pay much more attention to social and health care systems.
I honestly don't think there are many people denying that COVID19 is real and kills people, but many, myself included are querying the veracity of the total numbers presented and more importantly whether lockdown was an effective means of containing the virus or if it did more damage economically, socially and possibly actually magnified the impact of the virus by slowing herd immunity.
A couple of links - the quote is from the first one which is from the British Medical Journal
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563/rr-10
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z
https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-vs-sars
Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:20 pm
maccydee wrote:Lockdown was a very blunt instrument to curtail and it works but at a cost. However what happened with care homes was ridiculous.
Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:52 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Igovernor wrote:I have been in the medical profession all my life and I do know more about infections and protection than you ever will, if you spent the rest of your life learning about it. Covid19 is not only airbourne but can be passed by contact.
Sorry to be picky Guv but COVID's transmission vector is not airborne at all, it is droplet-based the two are different. I must confess I haven't spent all my life in the medical profession so less gravitas to back my claim up but am fairly broadly read and a link below to a more authoritative source than me on that.
No study has demonstrated actual clinical evidence of the airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2;
https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/bl ... te-article
Also, honestly not trying to pick an argument but the point you make about coughing into your hand and then transmitting the virus via touch...
I get your point but the number of times people touch their masks adjusting them constantly, plus I'd wager many re-use their paper masks and very few wash their reusable masks each time they use them as they should. Every time someone fiddles with their mask they could be transmitting the virus to their hands in the exact same manner you describe.
The good news though is that it is increasingly becoming apparent that the passive vector transmission of the virus i.e. infected person touches a mask, then touches an inanimate object, say a shopping trolley and then the next person to touch that trolley gets infected appears to be particularly rare.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4
Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:05 pm
Igovernor wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:Igovernor wrote:I have been in the medical profession all my life and I do know more about infections and protection than you ever will, if you spent the rest of your life learning about it. Covid19 is not only airbourne but can be passed by contact.
Sorry to be picky Guv but COVID's transmission vector is not airborne at all, it is droplet-based the two are different. I must confess I haven't spent all my life in the medical profession so less gravitas to back my claim up but am fairly broadly read and a link below to a more authoritative source than me on that.
No study has demonstrated actual clinical evidence of the airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2;
https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/bl ... te-article
Also, honestly not trying to pick an argument but the point you make about coughing into your hand and then transmitting the virus via touch...
I get your point but the number of times people touch their masks adjusting them constantly, plus I'd wager many re-use their paper masks and very few wash their reusable masks each time they use them as they should. Every time someone fiddles with their mask they could be transmitting the virus to their hands in the exact same manner you describe.
The good news though is that it is increasingly becoming apparent that the passive vector transmission of the virus i.e. infected person touches a mask, then touches an inanimate object, say a shopping trolley and then the next person to touch that trolley gets infected appears to be particularly rare.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4
Excuse me but if you have covid and cough then the droplets become airbourne, it is transmitted through the air and can travel a fair distance!
Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:08 pm
Igovernor wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:Igovernor wrote:I have been in the medical profession all my life and I do know more about infections and protection than you ever will, if you spent the rest of your life learning about it. Covid19 is not only airbourne but can be passed by contact.
Sorry to be picky Guv but COVID's transmission vector is not airborne at all, it is droplet-based the two are different. I must confess I haven't spent all my life in the medical profession so less gravitas to back my claim up but am fairly broadly read and a link below to a more authoritative source than me on that.
No study has demonstrated actual clinical evidence of the airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2;
https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/bl ... te-article
Also, honestly not trying to pick an argument but the point you make about coughing into your hand and then transmitting the virus via touch...
I get your point but the number of times people touch their masks adjusting them constantly, plus I'd wager many re-use their paper masks and very few wash their reusable masks each time they use them as they should. Every time someone fiddles with their mask they could be transmitting the virus to their hands in the exact same manner you describe.
The good news though is that it is increasingly becoming apparent that the passive vector transmission of the virus i.e. infected person touches a mask, then touches an inanimate object, say a shopping trolley and then the next person to touch that trolley gets infected appears to be particularly rare.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4
Excuse me but if you have covid and cough then the droplets become airbourne, it is transmitted through the air and can travel a fair distance!
Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:16 am
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Igovernor wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:Igovernor wrote:I have been in the medical profession all my life and I do know more about infections and protection than you ever will, if you spent the rest of your life learning about it. Covid19 is not only airbourne but can be passed by contact.
Sorry to be picky Guv but COVID's transmission vector is not airborne at all, it is droplet-based the two are different. I must confess I haven't spent all my life in the medical profession so less gravitas to back my claim up but am fairly broadly read and a link below to a more authoritative source than me on that.
No study has demonstrated actual clinical evidence of the airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2;
https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/bl ... te-article
Also, honestly not trying to pick an argument but the point you make about coughing into your hand and then transmitting the virus via touch...
I get your point but the number of times people touch their masks adjusting them constantly, plus I'd wager many re-use their paper masks and very few wash their reusable masks each time they use them as they should. Every time someone fiddles with their mask they could be transmitting the virus to their hands in the exact same manner you describe.
The good news though is that it is increasingly becoming apparent that the passive vector transmission of the virus i.e. infected person touches a mask, then touches an inanimate object, say a shopping trolley and then the next person to touch that trolley gets infected appears to be particularly rare.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4
Excuse me but if you have covid and cough then the droplets become airbourne, it is transmitted through the air and can travel a fair distance!
Yeah, I'm being picky. Mea culpa.
To be honest, it just tickled me that you went with the whole 'I'll know more than you could ever know about infections and diseases because I spent my entire life in the medical profession' grandstanding approach in your response to Nukes and then in the very next sentence proceeded to make a statement that was definitively incorrect within the bounds of the medical definition.
Was just a delicious slice of irony but no offence meant, I just found it a bit amusing and couldn't resist pointing it out.
Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:20 am
WestCoastBlue wrote:Igovernor wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:Igovernor wrote:I have been in the medical profession all my life and I do know more about infections and protection than you ever will, if you spent the rest of your life learning about it. Covid19 is not only airbourne but can be passed by contact.
Sorry to be picky Guv but COVID's transmission vector is not airborne at all, it is droplet-based the two are different. I must confess I haven't spent all my life in the medical profession so less gravitas to back my claim up but am fairly broadly read and a link below to a more authoritative source than me on that.
No study has demonstrated actual clinical evidence of the airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2;
https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/bl ... te-article
Also, honestly not trying to pick an argument but the point you make about coughing into your hand and then transmitting the virus via touch...
I get your point but the number of times people touch their masks adjusting them constantly, plus I'd wager many re-use their paper masks and very few wash their reusable masks each time they use them as they should. Every time someone fiddles with their mask they could be transmitting the virus to their hands in the exact same manner you describe.
The good news though is that it is increasingly becoming apparent that the passive vector transmission of the virus i.e. infected person touches a mask, then touches an inanimate object, say a shopping trolley and then the next person to touch that trolley gets infected appears to be particularly rare.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4
Excuse me but if you have covid and cough then the droplets become airbourne, it is transmitted through the air and can travel a fair distance!
I understand you're in the medical profession and have a much better understanding of all thinks medical related but would droplets be considered the same as airborne transmission?
Excuse the rather simple example, but if I'm in a pub (those were the days) having a piss in the toilets and I'm stood one over from another bloke having a piss there's a chance some splashback will land on my shoes. However if I'm stood 3 or 4 urinals over I'm not in the splash zone. But if it was a particularly pungent piss I might be able to smell it and someone who walks in a few minutes later would also smell it as it lingers in the air.
Essentially the droplets are only a danger if I'm too close when they're released, however the smell is airborne and lingers for a long time after the droplets have been released and landed on the floor. In that scenario I wouldn't consider the droplets airborne just because they have a journey from penis to floor.
Excuse my ignorance, as I said it's oversimplified and crude but would that not be the difference between droplets and airborne?
Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:24 am
Igovernor wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Igovernor wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:Igovernor wrote:I have been in the medical profession all my life and I do know more about infections and protection than you ever will, if you spent the rest of your life learning about it. Covid19 is not only airbourne but can be passed by contact.
Sorry to be picky Guv but COVID's transmission vector is not airborne at all, it is droplet-based the two are different. I must confess I haven't spent all my life in the medical profession so less gravitas to back my claim up but am fairly broadly read and a link below to a more authoritative source than me on that.
No study has demonstrated actual clinical evidence of the airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2;
https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/bl ... te-article
Also, honestly not trying to pick an argument but the point you make about coughing into your hand and then transmitting the virus via touch...
I get your point but the number of times people touch their masks adjusting them constantly, plus I'd wager many re-use their paper masks and very few wash their reusable masks each time they use them as they should. Every time someone fiddles with their mask they could be transmitting the virus to their hands in the exact same manner you describe.
The good news though is that it is increasingly becoming apparent that the passive vector transmission of the virus i.e. infected person touches a mask, then touches an inanimate object, say a shopping trolley and then the next person to touch that trolley gets infected appears to be particularly rare.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4
Excuse me but if you have covid and cough then the droplets become airbourne, it is transmitted through the air and can travel a fair distance!
I understand you're in the medical profession and have a much better understanding of all thinks medical related but would droplets be considered the same as airborne transmission?
Excuse the rather simple example, but if I'm in a pub (those were the days) having a piss in the toilets and I'm stood one over from another bloke having a piss there's a chance some splashback will land on my shoes. However if I'm stood 3 or 4 urinals over I'm not in the splash zone. But if it was a particularly pungent piss I might be able to smell it and someone who walks in a few minutes later would also smell it as it lingers in the air.
Essentially the droplets are only a danger if I'm too close when they're released, however the smell is airborne and lingers for a long time after the droplets have been released and landed on the floor. In that scenario I wouldn't consider the droplets airborne just because they have a journey from penis to floor.
Excuse my ignorance, as I said it's oversimplified and crude but would that not be the difference between droplets and airborne?
If you read my latest post above, it is self explanatary
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Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:57 pm
Igovernor wrote:https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanr ... 13-2600(20)30514-2/fulltext
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:59 pm
maccydee wrote:I read online that there are 6 murders that have been classed as Covid deaths as the murderer put a positive Covid test next to their bodies.
Don’t shoot the messenger just read it on
http://www.novaccinesearthisflatcovidis ... .boll.ocks
Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:08 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:maccydee wrote:I read online that there are 6 murders that have been classed as Covid deaths as the murderer put a positive Covid test next to their bodies.
Don’t shoot the messenger just read it on
http://www.novaccinesearthisflatcovidis ... .boll.ocks
Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:15 pm