BLUE54 wrote:Yes I believe you are correct with this. The interesting thing with that though is, we believe that covid will be around, maybe indefinitely, and the vaccine definitely seems to limit the effect, BUT if it's still going to be transmissible, and there appears to be a limit on how long the efficacy lasts, when will the rest of the world i.e. USA, AUS, NZ, etc feel it's ready to open up to visitors. Also, the phrase "no one is safe until we are all safe" (vaccinated), the rest of the world will never be safe as it will be impossible to keep up with the vaccination rate if the effect wears off in 9 months or so. It's a sobering thought.
TopCat CCFC wrote:Covid: Antibody tests offered to public for first time -
Antibody tests are to be widely offered to the UK public for the first time in a new programme that aims to find out more about how much natural protection people have after getting coronavirus.
The government scheme will offer tests to thousands of adults each day.
Anyone over 18 will be able to opt in when having a PCR test from Tuesday - of those who test positive, up to 8,000 will be sent two home antibody tests.
Health Secretary Sajid Javid said it would be quick and easy to take part.
The first of the finger-prick tests would have to be done as soon as possible after the positive result, so the body would not have time to generate a detectable antibody response to the infection.
The second would be taken 28 days later and measure antibodies generated in response to the infection.
The UK Health Security Agency is to run the programme and will work alongside NHS test and trace services in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to use results to monitor levels of antibodies in positive cases.
Welshman in CA wrote:Pfizer vaccine has now got full FDA approval over here in the USA. What will be the excuse now?
katymcbride280 wrote:Welshman in CA wrote:Pfizer vaccine has now got full FDA approval over here in the USA. What will be the excuse now?
I know right! Still waiting for any rebuttals from anti-vaxx lmao! Is Pfizer the first vax to be approved by FDA?
TopCat CCFC wrote:Covid in Wales: No significant changes to rules in latest review -
There will be no significant changes to the Covid rules in Wales in the latest review of the regulations, the first minister has confirmed.
It comes as Covid case rates in Wales are among the highest since January.
Mark Drakeford has urged people to protect themselves and others and get vaccinated to stop the virus spreading.
The Tories said they had expected no changes this time. Plaid Cymru wanted confirmation plans were ready for third vaccination doses if they were needed.
The next review will take place on 16 September, and between now and then the Welsh government will continue to consider the case for requiring people to show proof of vaccination in order to enter certain higher risk settings.
MR BIRCHGROVE wrote:With Covid infection rates currently constantly increasing gradually, wait until the kids are back in school in Wales.
That's when it will all kick off again with the Welsh government placing restrictions.
You only have to check out Scotland's increasing infections this week as their kids had already returned.
Will it be regional lockdowns, certain entertainment or hospitality closures or will they introduce vaccine passports for entry to certain places along with all foreign travel?
Sven wrote:MR BIRCHGROVE wrote:With Covid infection rates currently constantly increasing gradually, wait until the kids are back in school in Wales.
That's when it will all kick off again with the Welsh government placing restrictions.
You only have to check out Scotland's increasing infections this week as their kids had already returned.
Will it be regional lockdowns, certain entertainment or hospitality closures or will they introduce vaccine passports for entry to certain places along with all foreign travel?
Scotland have said (quote Jimmy Cranky) 'there are no plans' to reintroduce restrictions that are not already in place and WAG have made no comment whatsoever, so your OP is guesswork only...
But if we want to make sure restrictions are not put in place at any point, what about the novel idea of those (and there are many) who have abandoned any recognition of Covid-19 still being a threat, as witnessed by the numbers of people walking around our stadium, supermarkets and other enclosed spaces without the requested facemasks
The irony is that they will be amongst the most vocal in event restrictions were put in place...
Sadly, as my late father used to say, you can't educate pork...!
katymcbride280 wrote:Welshman in CA wrote:Pfizer vaccine has now got full FDA approval over here in the USA. What will be the excuse now?
I know right! Still waiting for any rebuttals from anti-vaxx lmao! Is Pfizer the first vax to be approved by FDA?
MR BIRCHGROVE wrote:With Covid infection rates currently constantly increasing gradually, wait until the kids are back in school in Wales.
That's when it will all kick off again with the Welsh government placing restrictions.
You only have to check out Scotland's increasing infections this week as their kids had already returned.
Will it be regional lockdowns, certain entertainment or hospitality closures or will they introduce vaccine passports for entry to certain places along with all foreign travel?
TheHangedMan wrote:I'm getting confused and would be grateful if a sharp mind with facts could enlighten me.
As I understand it:
1. A double jab does not stop me getting Covid.....but it does lessen the grief (but if I'm vulnerable I may still pass this mortal coil!).
2. A double jab does not stop me transmitting Covid (but we don't like to talk about that).
3. A double jab may not be sufficient to stop the 2 above (even though they stop nothing) so I may need a 3rd/4th/5th...to complete the non stopping!
4. If all of the above fail I'm likely to catch the latest variant (at present Covid 22 but that is still up for debate!)
Maybe it's better that we get on with life as normal and ignore the fearmongerers.
MR BIRCHGROVE wrote:TheHangedMan wrote:I'm getting confused and would be grateful if a sharp mind with facts could enlighten me.
As I understand it:
1. A double jab does not stop me getting Covid.....but it does lessen the grief (but if I'm vulnerable I may still pass this mortal coil!).
2. A double jab does not stop me transmitting Covid (but we don't like to talk about that).
3. A double jab may not be sufficient to stop the 2 above (even though they stop nothing) so I may need a 3rd/4th/5th...to complete the non stopping!
4. If all of the above fail I'm likely to catch the latest variant (at present Covid 22 but that is still up for debate!)
Maybe it's better that we get on with life as normal and ignore the fearmongerers.
Shouldn't think too many people could argue against your four points above.
However, do you not think the vaccines are helping to reduce hospital admissions with the virus and subsequent deaths?
It's my guess that without the vaccines the British government leaders would already be considering further restrictions or even lockdowns.
So maybe you should just be grateful that the 90% or so of us that have accepted the vaccine are helping to keep you currently enjoying your 'life as normal'
by MR BIRCHGROVE » Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:03 am
TheHangedMan wrote:
I'm getting confused and would be grateful if a sharp mind with facts could enlighten me.
As I understand it:
1. A double jab does not stop me getting Covid.....but it does lessen the grief (but if I'm vulnerable I may still pass this mortal coil!).
2. A double jab does not stop me transmitting Covid (but we don't like to talk about that).
3. A double jab may not be sufficient to stop the 2 above (even though they stop nothing) so I may need a 3rd/4th/5th...to complete the non stopping!
4. If all of the above fail I'm likely to catch the latest variant (at present Covid 22 but that is still up for debate!)
Maybe it's better that we get on with life as normal and ignore the fearmongerers.
Shouldn't think too many people could argue against your four points above.
However, do you not think the vaccines are helping to reduce hospital admissions with the virus and subsequent deaths?
It's my guess that without the vaccines the British government leaders would already be considering further restrictions or even lockdowns.
So maybe you should just be grateful that the 90% or so of us that have accepted the vaccine are helping to keep you currently enjoying your 'life as normal'
MR BIRCHGROVE wrote:TheHangedMan wrote:I'm getting confused and would be grateful if a sharp mind with facts could enlighten me.
As I understand it:
1. A double jab does not stop me getting Covid.....but it does lessen the grief (but if I'm vulnerable I may still pass this mortal coil!).
2. A double jab does not stop me transmitting Covid (but we don't like to talk about that).
3. A double jab may not be sufficient to stop the 2 above (even though they stop nothing) so I may need a 3rd/4th/5th...to complete the non stopping!
4. If all of the above fail I'm likely to catch the latest variant (at present Covid 22 but that is still up for debate!)
Maybe it's better that we get on with life as normal and ignore the fearmongerers.
Shouldn't think too many people could argue against your four points above.
However, do you not think the vaccines are helping to reduce hospital admissions with the virus and subsequent deaths?
It's my guess that without the vaccines the British government leaders would already be considering further restrictions or even lockdowns.
So maybe you should just be grateful that the 90% or so of us that have accepted the vaccine are helping to keep you currently enjoying your 'life as normal'
Scoularite wrote:by MR BIRCHGROVE » Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:03 am
TheHangedMan wrote:
I'm getting confused and would be grateful if a sharp mind with facts could enlighten me.
As I understand it:
1. A double jab does not stop me getting Covid.....but it does lessen the grief (but if I'm vulnerable I may still pass this mortal coil!).
2. A double jab does not stop me transmitting Covid (but we don't like to talk about that).
3. A double jab may not be sufficient to stop the 2 above (even though they stop nothing) so I may need a 3rd/4th/5th...to complete the non stopping!
4. If all of the above fail I'm likely to catch the latest variant (at present Covid 22 but that is still up for debate!)
Maybe it's better that we get on with life as normal and ignore the fearmongerers.
Shouldn't think too many people could argue against your four points above.
However, do you not think the vaccines are helping to reduce hospital admissions with the virus and subsequent deaths?
It's my guess that without the vaccines the British government leaders would already be considering further restrictions or even lockdowns.
So maybe you should just be grateful that the 90% or so of us that have accepted the vaccine are helping to keep you currently enjoying your 'life as normal'
Well, I'm who would argue -
Point 1 - Yes a "double jab" does not stop you from getting covid, but it does reduce the risk of serious illness and needing to go to hospital;
Point 2 - No, a "double jab" does not stop you from transmitting covid and it has been explained repeatedly across all forms of the media:
Point 3 - What is it saying??? Just repeating points 1 and 2;
Point 4 - Again, what is it saying???? Nothing and new variants are a risk to everyone.
But surprisingly no mention of long covid.
by skidemin » Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:37 am
long covid.... people have long term effects of all illnesses infact the vast majority of covid deaths { died within 28 days of having a positive covid test } were already suffering long term effects of other illnesses.... yes shock people get ill and have long term effects..... live life mate ive seen people unreasonably terrified who have put their lives on hold then died of something nowt to do with covid.
MR BIRCHGROVE wrote:With Covid infection rates currently constantly increasing gradually, wait until the kids are back in school in Wales.
That's when it will all kick off again with the Welsh government placing restrictions.
You only have to check out Scotland's increasing infections this week as their kids had already returned.
Will it be regional lockdowns, certain entertainment or hospitality closures or will they introduce vaccine passports for entry to certain places along with all foreign travel?
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