Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:00 pm
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Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:47 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:Don't think we're sleeping giants at all.
There are plenty of clubs who are historically bigger than us such as Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Nottingham Forest, Birmingham etc (could name many more).
They don't have super-rich owners.
Newcastle are a huge club and their fans deserve the success that will likely come their way now. One of the best fanbases I've ever come across. I wish them well.
Just surprised it's taken this long for someone to buy them from Mike Ashley and that there was no other significant interest from anyone else. Huge potential.
We are nowhere near that level. We have spent two seasons in the top tier in the last 50+ years. Swansea, Wigan and Bournemouth have spent longer there than us.
Championship is about where our club fits at this present time but if you look at it historically, we're actually overachieving by being in the Championship.
Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:13 am
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Abergavenny wrote:We are no sleeping giant and never have been Cardiff hardly register an interest in the football world out side of the UK Yes i would love to see the sort of money Newcastle will be getting . They are already a much bigger club than us
Football is now a global sport and if they succeed then they will get support especially in the Asian and Arab countries who do not have the same loyalty to there it clubs as people in UK
Once we have picked a club we usually stay with it but that is not the same elsewhere they want to be associated with winners and will change their clubs on a regular basis
If any club deserves this type of investment Newcastle must be the main club in UK and that because of the fans The number that turn up week in week out and travel away is amazing for a club that has not won anything in so many year, and with a population much smaller than Cardiff
We have people in Cardiff where football is their passion Newcastle is a city where football is the passion I wish i could say the same about City
Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:11 am
Sven wrote:Abergavenny wrote:We are no sleeping giant and never have been Cardiff hardly register an interest in the football world out side of the UK Yes i would love to see the sort of money Newcastle will be getting . They are already a much bigger club than us
Football is now a global sport and if they succeed then they will get support especially in the Asian and Arab countries who do not have the same loyalty to there it clubs as people in UK
Once we have picked a club we usually stay with it but that is not the same elsewhere they want to be associated with winners and will change their clubs on a regular basis
If any club deserves this type of investment Newcastle must be the main club in UK and that because of the fans The number that turn up week in week out and travel away is amazing for a club that has not won anything in so many year, and with a population much smaller than Cardiff
We have people in Cardiff where football is their passion Newcastle is a city where football is the passion I wish i could say the same about City
I would suggest (although historic now) Cardiff City have been up there in the leagues and also with massive Ninian Park crowds regularly between 40,000 and 60,000 (I've seen more than one 40,00+ crowd in my time nowhere near pushing for the top division
The term 'sleeping giant' is a tough one to substantiate, so I can't agree with you 'nevervwas/nevervwill be assertion
But I tend to agree with some of your comment and with those of Ned (Worcester) and Neil (maccydee) above, based on the historical fact we are currently at the level we have tended to operate at and maybe even a little higher
Do we have potential? Of course we do; and as fans we (mostly) have ambition, too. Why wouldn't we in a results driven arena?
Our 'fan base' is solid in as much as if the team/club are performing, the crowds will come out. We proved that on many occasions and we weren't at the bottom of the attendance table on either of our visits to the Premier League, remembering a decision was taken to expand the capacity to (at that time) accommodate the added interest
Sleeping giant? As I said, tough call
Potential to be a bigger club? I think we've shown that, so a 'yes' from me but only with the right backing
Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:40 am
Sven wrote:Abergavenny wrote:We are no sleeping giant and never have been Cardiff hardly register an interest in the football world out side of the UK Yes i would love to see the sort of money Newcastle will be getting . They are already a much bigger club than us
Football is now a global sport and if they succeed then they will get support especially in the Asian and Arab countries who do not have the same loyalty to there it clubs as people in UK
Once we have picked a club we usually stay with it but that is not the same elsewhere they want to be associated with winners and will change their clubs on a regular basis
If any club deserves this type of investment Newcastle must be the main club in UK and that because of the fans The number that turn up week in week out and travel away is amazing for a club that has not won anything in so many year, and with a population much smaller than Cardiff
We have people in Cardiff where football is their passion Newcastle is a city where football is the passion I wish i could say the same about City
I would suggest (although historic now) Cardiff City have been up there in the leagues and also with massive Ninian Park crowds regularly between 40,000 and 60,000 (I've seen more than one 40,00+ crowd in my time nowhere near pushing for the top division
The term 'sleeping giant' is a tough one to substantiate, so I can't agree with you 'nevervwas/nevervwill be assertion
But I tend to agree with some of your comment and with those of Ned (Worcester) and Neil (maccydee) above, based on the historical fact we are currently at the level we have tended to operate at and maybe even a little higher
Do we have potential? Of course we do; and as fans we (mostly) have ambition, too. Why wouldn't we in a results driven arena?
Our 'fan base' is solid in as much as if the team/club are performing, the crowds will come out. We proved that on many occasions and we weren't at the bottom of the attendance table on either of our visits to the Premier League, remembering a decision was taken to expand the capacity to (at that time) accommodate the added interest
Sleeping giant? As I said, tough call
Potential to be a bigger club? I think we've shown that, so a 'yes' from me but only with the right backing
Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:24 pm
Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:52 pm
rumpo kid wrote:Thirty years in the top flight should do it..
Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:03 pm
maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Abergavenny wrote:We are no sleeping giant and never have been Cardiff hardly register an interest in the football world out side of the UK Yes i would love to see the sort of money Newcastle will be getting . They are already a much bigger club than us
Football is now a global sport and if they succeed then they will get support especially in the Asian and Arab countries who do not have the same loyalty to there it clubs as people in UK
Once we have picked a club we usually stay with it but that is not the same elsewhere they want to be associated with winners and will change their clubs on a regular basis
If any club deserves this type of investment Newcastle must be the main club in UK and that because of the fans The number that turn up week in week out and travel away is amazing for a club that has not won anything in so many year, and with a population much smaller than Cardiff
We have people in Cardiff where football is their passion Newcastle is a city where football is the passion I wish i could say the same about City
I would suggest (although historic now) Cardiff City have been up there in the leagues and also with massive Ninian Park crowds regularly between 40,000 and 60,000 (I've seen more than one 40,00+ crowd in my time nowhere near pushing for the top division
The term 'sleeping giant' is a tough one to substantiate, so I can't agree with you 'nevervwas/nevervwill be assertion
But I tend to agree with some of your comment and with those of Ned (Worcester) and Neil (maccydee) above, based on the historical fact we are currently at the level we have tended to operate at and maybe even a little higher
Do we have potential? Of course we do; and as fans we (mostly) have ambition, too. Why wouldn't we in a results driven arena?
Our 'fan base' is solid in as much as if the team/club are performing, the crowds will come out. We proved that on many occasions and we weren't at the bottom of the attendance table on either of our visits to the Premier League, remembering a decision was taken to expand the capacity to (at that time) accommodate the added interest
Sleeping giant? As I said, tough call
Potential to be a bigger club? I think we've shown that, so a 'yes' from me but only with the right backing
The days of 40 to 60k pretty much everyone was getting large crowds. It was cheap and part of society. That changed and now there are so many different options for people for their money it’s special occasions where fans would come out. We have had that obviously. Man Utd home first time in 30 years is big, next time not so much and ongoing.
Reason rugby is so well supported is it’s part of society. Loads of idiots (and well behaved people) get drunk and go watch rugger. It’s engrained. Hence why Wales sell out the 74,500 tickets regularly.
Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:18 pm
Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Abergavenny wrote:We are no sleeping giant and never have been Cardiff hardly register an interest in the football world out side of the UK Yes i would love to see the sort of money Newcastle will be getting . They are already a much bigger club than us
Football is now a global sport and if they succeed then they will get support especially in the Asian and Arab countries who do not have the same loyalty to there it clubs as people in UK
Once we have picked a club we usually stay with it but that is not the same elsewhere they want to be associated with winners and will change their clubs on a regular basis
If any club deserves this type of investment Newcastle must be the main club in UK and that because of the fans The number that turn up week in week out and travel away is amazing for a club that has not won anything in so many year, and with a population much smaller than Cardiff
We have people in Cardiff where football is their passion Newcastle is a city where football is the passion I wish i could say the same about City
I would suggest (although historic now) Cardiff City have been up there in the leagues and also with massive Ninian Park crowds regularly between 40,000 and 60,000 (I've seen more than one 40,00+ crowd in my time nowhere near pushing for the top division
The term 'sleeping giant' is a tough one to substantiate, so I can't agree with you 'nevervwas/nevervwill be assertion
But I tend to agree with some of your comment and with those of Ned (Worcester) and Neil (maccydee) above, based on the historical fact we are currently at the level we have tended to operate at and maybe even a little higher
Do we have potential? Of course we do; and as fans we (mostly) have ambition, too. Why wouldn't we in a results driven arena?
Our 'fan base' is solid in as much as if the team/club are performing, the crowds will come out. We proved that on many occasions and we weren't at the bottom of the attendance table on either of our visits to the Premier League, remembering a decision was taken to expand the capacity to (at that time) accommodate the added interest
Sleeping giant? As I said, tough call
Potential to be a bigger club? I think we've shown that, so a 'yes' from me but only with the right backing
The days of 40 to 60k pretty much everyone was getting large crowds. It was cheap and part of society. That changed and now there are so many different options for people for their money it’s special occasions where fans would come out. We have had that obviously. Man Utd home first time in 30 years is big, next time not so much and ongoing.
Reason rugby is so well supported is it’s part of society. Loads of idiots (and well behaved people) get drunk and go watch rugger. It’s engrained. Hence why Wales sell out the 74,500 tickets regularly.
Fair points and there are so many more options with our free time modernly but we have been there and for that reason I see us as having potential with the right people in charge
We have (to some extent) shown it under Tan and I still believe if Malky hadn't caused his own downfall, a different debate, we would have survived that first season at the top table
Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:29 pm
maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Abergavenny wrote:We are no sleeping giant and never have been Cardiff hardly register an interest in the football world out side of the UK Yes i would love to see the sort of money Newcastle will be getting . They are already a much bigger club than us
Football is now a global sport and if they succeed then they will get support especially in the Asian and Arab countries who do not have the same loyalty to there it clubs as people in UK
Once we have picked a club we usually stay with it but that is not the same elsewhere they want to be associated with winners and will change their clubs on a regular basis
If any club deserves this type of investment Newcastle must be the main club in UK and that because of the fans The number that turn up week in week out and travel away is amazing for a club that has not won anything in so many year, and with a population much smaller than Cardiff
We have people in Cardiff where football is their passion Newcastle is a city where football is the passion I wish i could say the same about City
I would suggest (although historic now) Cardiff City have been up there in the leagues and also with massive Ninian Park crowds regularly between 40,000 and 60,000 (I've seen more than one 40,00+ crowd in my time nowhere near pushing for the top division
The term 'sleeping giant' is a tough one to substantiate, so I can't agree with you 'nevervwas/nevervwill be assertion
But I tend to agree with some of your comment and with those of Ned (Worcester) and Neil (maccydee) above, based on the historical fact we are currently at the level we have tended to operate at and maybe even a little higher
Do we have potential? Of course we do; and as fans we (mostly) have ambition, too. Why wouldn't we in a results driven arena?
Our 'fan base' is solid in as much as if the team/club are performing, the crowds will come out. We proved that on many occasions and we weren't at the bottom of the attendance table on either of our visits to the Premier League, remembering a decision was taken to expand the capacity to (at that time) accommodate the added interest
Sleeping giant? As I said, tough call
Potential to be a bigger club? I think we've shown that, so a 'yes' from me but only with the right backing
The days of 40 to 60k pretty much everyone was getting large crowds. It was cheap and part of society. That changed and now there are so many different options for people for their money it’s special occasions where fans would come out. We have had that obviously. Man Utd home first time in 30 years is big, next time not so much and ongoing.
Reason rugby is so well supported is it’s part of society. Loads of idiots (and well behaved people) get drunk and go watch rugger. It’s engrained. Hence why Wales sell out the 74,500 tickets regularly.
Fair points and there are so many more options with our free time modernly but we have been there and for that reason I see us as having potential with the right people in charge
We have (to some extent) shown it under Tan and I still believe if Malky hadn't caused his own downfall, a different debate, we would have survived that first season at the top table
In hindsight I wish we had changed manager both promotion seasons.
The first one more so. A proven manager having that huge budget would have meant we really could have put a marker down and laid a foundation to help us stay there for years.
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Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Abergavenny wrote:We are no sleeping giant and never have been Cardiff hardly register an interest in the football world out side of the UK Yes i would love to see the sort of money Newcastle will be getting . They are already a much bigger club than us
Football is now a global sport and if they succeed then they will get support especially in the Asian and Arab countries who do not have the same loyalty to there it clubs as people in UK
Once we have picked a club we usually stay with it but that is not the same elsewhere they want to be associated with winners and will change their clubs on a regular basis
If any club deserves this type of investment Newcastle must be the main club in UK and that because of the fans The number that turn up week in week out and travel away is amazing for a club that has not won anything in so many year, and with a population much smaller than Cardiff
We have people in Cardiff where football is their passion Newcastle is a city where football is the passion I wish i could say the same about City
I would suggest (although historic now) Cardiff City have been up there in the leagues and also with massive Ninian Park crowds regularly between 40,000 and 60,000 (I've seen more than one 40,00+ crowd in my time nowhere near pushing for the top division
The term 'sleeping giant' is a tough one to substantiate, so I can't agree with you 'nevervwas/nevervwill be assertion
But I tend to agree with some of your comment and with those of Ned (Worcester) and Neil (maccydee) above, based on the historical fact we are currently at the level we have tended to operate at and maybe even a little higher
Do we have potential? Of course we do; and as fans we (mostly) have ambition, too. Why wouldn't we in a results driven arena?
Our 'fan base' is solid in as much as if the team/club are performing, the crowds will come out. We proved that on many occasions and we weren't at the bottom of the attendance table on either of our visits to the Premier League, remembering a decision was taken to expand the capacity to (at that time) accommodate the added interest
Sleeping giant? As I said, tough call
Potential to be a bigger club? I think we've shown that, so a 'yes' from me but only with the right backing
The days of 40 to 60k pretty much everyone was getting large crowds. It was cheap and part of society. That changed and now there are so many different options for people for their money it’s special occasions where fans would come out. We have had that obviously. Man Utd home first time in 30 years is big, next time not so much and ongoing.
Reason rugby is so well supported is it’s part of society. Loads of idiots (and well behaved people) get drunk and go watch rugger. It’s engrained. Hence why Wales sell out the 74,500 tickets regularly.
Fair points and there are so many more options with our free time modernly but we have been there and for that reason I see us as having potential with the right people in charge
We have (to some extent) shown it under Tan and I still believe if Malky hadn't caused his own downfall, a different debate, we would have survived that first season at the top table
In hindsight I wish we had changed manager both promotion seasons.
The first one more so. A proven manager having that huge budget would have meant we really could have put a marker down and laid a foundation to help us stay there for years.
Certainly on the second, I agree; with the former being debatable because he went well before the season's end
There was a (so called) 'Committee' move to replace NW before the season started and another after the Sala tragedy
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and we can only imagine what might have been in both situations
Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:03 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Don't think we're sleeping giants at all.
There are plenty of clubs who are historically bigger than us such as Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Nottingham Forest, Birmingham etc (could name many more).
They don't have super-rich owners.
Newcastle are a huge club and their fans deserve the success that will likely come their way now. One of the best fanbases I've ever come across. I wish them well.
Just surprised it's taken this long for someone to buy them from Mike Ashley and that there was no other significant interest from anyone else. Huge potential.
We are nowhere near that level. We have spent two seasons in the top tier in the last 50+ years. Swansea, Wigan and Bournemouth have spent longer there than us.
Championship is about where our club fits at this present time but if you look at it historically, we're actually overachieving by being in the Championship.
Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:11 pm
Welsh Giants wrote:With the newcastle takeover, i cant think of any other club out there who have massive potential but no mega rich and ambitious owners other than us or leeds united who are sleeping giants. Ppl will disagree but we are the capital of wales and unique in that respect being in the english leagues, and fan base of south wales valleys cardiff barry newport etc is huge and not tapped in too even close yet with no sustained top flight success. We could be a tycoons perfect buy and club. Newcastle deserve it really with their fans and potential.
Moving on, are there any tycoon owners who want to live the welsh catalan dream sam hammam once had? Anymore saudis out there? Or chinese? Jeff bezos or elon musk fancy a punt? We live in hope lol….
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Welsh Giants wrote:And on the wales rugby points and comparison.
The reason wales rugby draw big crowds 70k plus is that wales rugby are always a good successful team in the running to win six nations , team at the top level , thats what people like to watch. If cardiff city the capital city of WALES were constantly at the top level pushing on then you would see crowds grow and grow over years and then it could be engrained in to the culture as of wales rugby and as of newcastle united. But fact is the club will never grow while we are not playing in the top league most prestigious level that people enjoy watching.
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Monmouth wrote:The Saudi buyers of Newcastle will have looked at many clubs, but have they bought a club or more importantly have they bought a club with the highest potential in a region ?
If you look at a map of the west side of the uk below Manchester and west of the midlands and right down to the West Country coast which is the biggest football club ? And a Capital city to boot ? Yes I know the north wales crowd have their Liverpool and Manchester fans, but our potential catchment area is massive when in the premiership.
We didn’t scratch the surface of our potential with our brief stays in the top flight. Are we a big club in the eyes of potential buyers ? Well To anybody with the vision and the money my opinion is yes.
Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:56 am
HarriRhys22 wrote:Monmouth wrote:The Saudi buyers of Newcastle will have looked at many clubs, but have they bought a club or more importantly have they bought a club with the highest potential in a region ?
If you look at a map of the west side of the uk below Manchester and west of the midlands and right down to the West Country coast which is the biggest football club ? And a Capital city to boot ? Yes I know the north wales crowd have their Liverpool and Manchester fans, but our potential catchment area is massive when in the premiership.
We didn’t scratch the surface of our potential with our brief stays in the top flight. Are we a big club in the eyes of potential buyers ? Well To anybody with the vision and the money my opinion is yes.
Completely agree with Monmouth, we have a bigger Catchment area than Newcastle and due to years of underperforming we have never reached our potential.Despite this and despite being at the bottom of the table for most of our two recent years in the Premier League we had the 11th best Attendances in the Division comparable with Leicester who have recently won the League! If we became an established Premier League Club and broke into the top 6 like Leicester we would be attracting 60k crowds, we are without doubt a sleeping giant!