pick and shovel wrote:You have summed up the obvious concerns which I share. But there again I am always accused of being negative by Sven and co.
pembroke allan wrote:pick and shovel wrote:You have summed up the obvious concerns which I share. But there again I am always accused of being negative by Sven and co.
Lets worry about this season 1st ..... Then people can start to worry about next season
After we've sold all our good youngsters and got rid of about 6
out of contract players?
On bright side we keep all our youngsters and we recruit players we need in the right positions to replace players leaving....which I believe we'll do especially if morison is in charge.
Bakedalasker wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pick and shovel wrote:You have summed up the obvious concerns which I share. But there again I am always accused of being negative by Sven and co.
Lets worry about this season 1st ..... Then people can start to worry about next season
After we've sold all our good youngsters and got rid of about 6
out of contract players?
On bright side we keep all our youngsters and we recruit players we need in the right positions to replace players leaving....which I believe we'll do especially if morison is in charge.
Tan is going to reassess everything come the end of the season. Hopefully we will still be in the Championship.
What do I think will happen? He will sell our good youngsters and replace them with Academy players. He might bring in experience players to support the youngsters, even he must see that will be neccessary.....I pray.
pembroke allan wrote:pick and shovel wrote:You have summed up the obvious concerns which I share. But there again I am always accused of being negative by Sven and co.
Lets worry about this season 1st ..... Then people can start to worry about next season
After we've sold all our good youngsters and got rid of about 6
out of contract players?
On bright side we keep all our youngsters and we recruit players we need in the right positions to replace players leaving....which I believe we'll do especially if morison is in charge.
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pick and shovel wrote:You have summed up the obvious concerns which I share. But there again I am always accused of being negative by Sven and co.
Lets worry about this season 1st ..... Then people can start to worry about next season
After we've sold all our good youngsters and got rid of about 6
out of contract players?
On bright side we keep all our youngsters and we recruit players we need in the right positions to replace players leaving....which I believe we'll do especially if morison is in charge.
Allan,
Who continues to come on all my posts but then never replies to me.
If you read my topic it’s about this season and next season.
And why can’t us fans talk about how we feel the future will be????
pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pick and shovel wrote:You have summed up the obvious concerns which I share. But there again I am always accused of being negative by Sven and co.
Lets worry about this season 1st ..... Then people can start to worry about next season
After we've sold all our good youngsters and got rid of about 6
out of contract players?
On bright side we keep all our youngsters and we recruit players we need in the right positions to replace players leaving....which I believe we'll do especially if morison is in charge.
Allan,
Who continues to come on all my posts but then never replies to me.
If you read my topic it’s about this season and next season.
And why can’t us fans talk about how we feel the future will be????
Wasn't aware needed to reply directly with anyone and as you have noticed recently I have avoided your posts like the plague wonder why? And I thought I addressed both issues discussed in this thread but gues not..... anyway dont worry about it as about to take off to Antigua so be around even less than past couple of weeks
Barclay1 wrote:Completely agree. This year is a wash out, but we may yet end up being safe. Dare I say more by luck than judgement, but I'll take staying up in the hope that ownership changes in the summer.
11 in charge is a long time. People will talk a out the promotions, and rightly so, but this roller coaster ride has always been tainted with issues. I'd honestly say, the Tan years were not as good as the Sam years.
Even bigger question, would you accept relegation if it meant a new regime and a fresh start, or safety and another year of u known struggles in the Championship??
piledriver64 wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Completely agree. This year is a wash out, but we may yet end up being safe. Dare I say more by luck than judgement, but I'll take staying up in the hope that ownership changes in the summer.
11 in charge is a long time. People will talk a out the promotions, and rightly so, but this roller coaster ride has always been tainted with issues. I'd honestly say, the Tan years were not as good as the Sam years.
Even bigger question, would you accept relegation if it meant a new regime and a fresh start, or safety and another year of u known struggles in the Championship??
Safety under the current regime every time. Just ask Sunderland fans, Ipswich fans, Sheff Wed fans, etc., how easy it is to get out of Div 1 even if you've got money !!
I will never agree with you over your comment about Hammam v Tan years. But in reality, Hammam is water under the bridge. He's 5 years older than Tan at 74 and simply doesn't have the personal funds to buy (only $4m according to this https://peopleai.com/fame/identities/sam-hammam ) and then invest.
Now if there are other investors out there (and I don't mean the rumoured bids, I mean full scale takeover talks by reputable investors) that would be a different matter. Newcastle found them but even they come with issues but at our size of club I just can't see it happening in the current financial climate.
Forever Blue wrote:My View: The Important Worrying Question Is Next Season :
With MM gone and with luck favoring us recently (and about time we get some luck) - I will not completely rule out relegation , but I believe that we will finish mid table.
Moreover , looking back on how we rallied from hopeless situations under Solskjaer, Trollope, Slade etc and came back under Warnock and McCarthy (immediately after they took charge) ….. I would not belittle dreamers to think that we may even make the playoffs ….. but I believe this to be highly unlikely.
The real important question that is bothering me is not this season but rather - NEXT SEASON !!!!!!
Tan who has had full and complete control for over 11 years seems to have run out of steam or out of money or out of interest in us . Unless he changes tack - as far as I can see - TAN IS A SPENT FORCE ….and he has had his time .
The bottom line is that he has already lost a massive amount of money on us (Dalman said on TV £200 million) and ….. he continues to lose lots (Dalman said £3 million a month ….but that may be less now) but that is totally down to mismanagement / bad management from the top ….. and he has some biggish court cases to deal with ……. and with the team struggling on the pitch and with little prospect of improving the team next season (with some senior players leaving to save wages) . One can never be certain ….but it is possible that the Tan era may be on the wane .
We have some promising youngsters but they need quality around them Def next season or even this January?
There is real uncertainty about Tan and there is uncertainty about the club and it’s future next season . It is all not looking promising.
I am rather worried !! Are you ?
It’s been stated by Chairman Dalman, No money in January and probably No money next season and Dalman virtually already blaming Tan for how our club has been run over the past years.
We have now had three offers for our club in the last two years, yet Tan remains? so he needs to sort out our present problems as he made them.
This is what a football forum is about
YOUR VIEWS / OPINIONS?
Forever Blue wrote:piledriver64 wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Completely agree. This year is a wash out, but we may yet end up being safe. Dare I say more by luck than judgement, but I'll take staying up in the hope that ownership changes in the summer.
11 in charge is a long time. People will talk a out the promotions, and rightly so, but this roller coaster ride has always been tainted with issues. I'd honestly say, the Tan years were not as good as the Sam years.
Even bigger question, would you accept relegation if it meant a new regime and a fresh start, or safety and another year of u known struggles in the Championship??
Safety under the current regime every time. Just ask Sunderland fans, Ipswich fans, Sheff Wed fans, etc., how easy it is to get out of Div 1 even if you've got money !!
I will never agree with you over your comment about Hammam v Tan years. But in reality, Hammam is water under the bridge. He's 5 years older than Tan at 74 and simply doesn't have the personal funds to buy (only $4m according to this https://peopleai.com/fame/identities/sam-hammam ) and then invest.
Now if there are other investors out there (and I don't mean the rumoured bids, I mean full scale takeover talks by reputable investors) that would be a different matter. Newcastle found them but even they come with issues but at our size of club I just can't see it happening in the current financial climate.
Sam only worth that
He’s just moved back to London and bought his second house in one of the most prestigious parts.
I think you will find Sam is now worth more than Tan.
I am not going to publicly discus Sams person finances , but I can tell you now you are way way way of the mark.
Funny how we are in court case after case and we lose everyone under Tan just them and the Rebrand alone Tan has wasted £50mill
How much do you think large houses in prime positions in London cost?
Sams businesses are in New York and Lebanon.
Plus it’s Tan these last years who has lost a lot of money.
Barclay1 wrote:Completely agree. This year is a wash out, but we may yet end up being safe. Dare I say more by luck than judgement, but I'll take staying up in the hope that ownership changes in the summer.
11 in charge is a long time. People will talk a out the promotions, and rightly so, but this roller coaster ride has always been tainted with issues. I'd honestly say, the Tan years were not as good as the Sam years.
Even bigger question, would you accept relegation if it meant a new regime and a fresh start, or safety and another year of u known struggles in the Championship??
troobloo3339 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:My View: The Important Worrying Question Is Next Season :
With MM gone and with luck favoring us recently (and about time we get some luck) - I will not completely rule out relegation , but I believe that we will finish mid table.
Moreover , looking back on how we rallied from hopeless situations under Solskjaer, Trollope, Slade etc and came back under Warnock and McCarthy (immediately after they took charge) ….. I would not belittle dreamers to think that we may even make the playoffs ….. but I believe this to be highly unlikely.
The real important question that is bothering me is not this season but rather - NEXT SEASON !!!!!!
Tan who has had full and complete control for over 11 years seems to have run out of steam or out of money or out of interest in us . Unless he changes tack - as far as I can see - TAN IS A SPENT FORCE ….and he has had his time .
The bottom line is that he has already lost a massive amount of money on us (Dalman said on TV £200 million) and ….. he continues to lose lots (Dalman said £3 million a month ….but that may be less now) but that is totally down to mismanagement / bad management from the top ….. and he has some biggish court cases to deal with ……. and with the team struggling on the pitch and with little prospect of improving the team next season (with some senior players leaving to save wages) . One can never be certain ….but it is possible that the Tan era may be on the wane .
We have some promising youngsters but they need quality around them Def next season or even this January?
There is real uncertainty about Tan and there is uncertainty about the club and it’s future next season . It is all not looking promising.
I am rather worried !! Are you ?
It’s been stated by Chairman Dalman, No money in January and probably No money next season and Dalman virtually already blaming Tan for how our club has been run over the past years.
We have now had three offers for our club in the last two years, yet Tan remains? so he needs to sort out our present problems as he made them.
This is what a football forum is about
YOUR VIEWS / OPINIONS?
Who took over from warnock when we were in 16th place and made the play offs
Losing 2 nil at home to fulham and winning 2 1 away
Why you knocking tan again
I suppose you think its not his £ millions that is paying for our brilliant academy
Our under 18s won again 4 nil sarurday with 5 16yrs old and a 15 yr old
If we get rid of the 9 out of contract players in the summer thats not far off £12 million of wages saved
Bring in 8 freebies on £500 k a year thats £4 million a huge saving of £8 million
Thats good business plus we will have a few more ready from the accademy
So no im not worreed about next year
My priority is staying in the championship this season
As next season looks to me to be in very good hands
Of coarse the fa s need to be up beat and positive
Not doom and gloom and negative l8ke you annis
You say tan.has turned down 3 offers
What and who were themoffers ????
You need to give us those details if you expect us to give our opinions on why tan wont sell ?
Barclay1 wrote: I'd honestly say, the Tan years were not as good as the Sam years.
Sneggyblubird wrote:Barclay1 wrote: I'd honestly say, the Tan years were not as good as the Sam years.
If you're right in the head I don't wanna be.
Forever Blue wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:Barclay1 wrote: I'd honestly say, the Tan years were not as good as the Sam years.
If you're right in the head I don't wanna be.
In My eyes and many others their have been NO real good years under Tan the minute he stripped us of our identity and divided our fam base.
Plus Our debt is way way higher than when he arrived , less crowds , lower league position and a Committee not even knowing what’s happening at our football club still.
Sneggyblubird wrote:Barclay1 wrote: I'd honestly say, the Tan years were not as good as the Sam years.
If you're right in the head I don't wanna be.
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