Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:53 am
TopCat CCFC wrote:Covid passes may be used to keep pubs open at Christmas -
Covid passes may be used over Christmas in order to keep pubs and restaurants open, the Welsh government has said.
But First Minister Mark Drakeford said no decision would be made on introducing the pass to the hospitality sector until early December.
Mr Drakeford made the comments as he unveiled the latest 21-day review of Covid regulations.
He said there would be no rule changes in the next three weeks, following the latest review on Thursday.
Mr Drakeford said the government would be "keeping the option of extending the use of the Covid pass" to the hospitality sector, if case rates climbed and pandemic pressures on the NHS increased.
"We will continue to monitor the public health situation and we will work with the hospitality sector as we prepare for Christmas," he added.
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Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:25 am
maccydee wrote:Ealing you do realise a lot of what you write is advocating vaccine uptake. Is that your intention?
Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:53 am
ealing_ayatollah wrote:maccydee wrote:Ealing you do realise a lot of what you write is advocating vaccine uptake. Is that your intention?
My position has and always will be people need to make their own choice based on the available data and weigh that up for themselves as to what is right for them. Where I have always drawn the line is on mandatory vaccination - which I have been vocal against from the beginning. Sadly, those fears are now begining to be closer to being realised with the news out of Germany and Austria while the news out of Australia terrifies me if I'm honest.
If someone sees the data presented as supporting the case for vaccination great, to me that suggests that I've been able to remove my bias in the way the information is presented and offer the information in a manner that allows people to see the data without editorialisation and make an informed choice for themselves.
To be honest, I write as much for myself to go through that process as anything else as sadly I dont feel I can trust the media to that job anymore.
Case in point the article from the mail you shared earlier in the month that was a gross manipulation of the data (even debunked later in the same article) and only uses one data source and then twitter.
That is not credible reporting and the headline is shameless sensationalism.Yet sadly in this age, the headline is often the only part of an article people will read and such articles get widely shared.
I'd rather use multiple credible sources, try and lay out the facts in a non- partisan way as much as possible and let people come to their own conclusions.
To be honest I don't think there is much swaying people in either camp at this point mind in terms of whether to take the vaccination or not. I honestly think most have decided one way or another.
Where I do think there is an important discussion to be had still is with regards to mandatory vaccination.
Many who have had the vaccination have remained of the mind set that it should be down to personal choice which is great, however there are more than enough who state the vaccines should be mandatory and the reasons often put forward for this are largely built on the false assertions that the unvaccinated are either more likely to transmit the virus or that they will overburden the NHS.
The data presented in my previous post suggest both of these premises are either entirely false or at best still uncertain and that at the very least to me indicates there needs to be more open discussion and closer reflection on what would be a gross violation of what we all accepted as a universal human right to bodily automomy only a couple of years ago.
Sadly, we are not seeing that in Germany, Australia and Austria at the moment and I fear what comes next here and elsewhere.
Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:57 am
maccydee wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:maccydee wrote:Ealing you do realise a lot of what you write is advocating vaccine uptake. Is that your intention?
My position has and always will be people need to make their own choice based on the available data and weigh that up for themselves as to what is right for them. Where I have always drawn the line is on mandatory vaccination - which I have been vocal against from the beginning. Sadly, those fears are now begining to be closer to being realised with the news out of Germany and Austria while the news out of Australia terrifies me if I'm honest.
If someone sees the data presented as supporting the case for vaccination great, to me that suggests that I've been able to remove my bias in the way the information is presented and offer the information in a manner that allows people to see the data without editorialisation and make an informed choice for themselves.
To be honest, I write as much for myself to go through that process as anything else as sadly I dont feel I can trust the media to that job anymore.
Case in point the article from the mail you shared earlier in the month that was a gross manipulation of the data (even debunked later in the same article) and only uses one data source and then twitter.
That is not credible reporting and the headline is shameless sensationalism.Yet sadly in this age, the headline is often the only part of an article people will read and such articles get widely shared.
I'd rather use multiple credible sources, try and lay out the facts in a non- partisan way as much as possible and let people come to their own conclusions.
To be honest I don't think there is much swaying people in either camp at this point mind in terms of whether to take the vaccination or not. I honestly think most have decided one way or another.
Where I do think there is an important discussion to be had still is with regards to mandatory vaccination.
Many who have had the vaccination have remained of the mind set that it should be down to personal choice which is great, however there are more than enough who state the vaccines should be mandatory and the reasons often put forward for this are largely built on the false assertions that the unvaccinated are either more likely to transmit the virus or that they will overburden the NHS.
The data presented in my previous post suggest both of these premises are either entirely false or at best still uncertain and that at the very least to me indicates there needs to be more open discussion and closer reflection on what would be a gross violation of what we all accepted as a universal human right to bodily automomy only a couple of years ago.
Sadly, we are not seeing that in Germany, Australia and Austria at the moment and I fear what comes next here and elsewhere.
Low vaccination rates (and infection rates) are causing these issues in the European countries you mentioned.
I’m a firm believer in it being someone’s choice if they have a vaccination. I vaccinate people and even at the last moment ask them if they are happy to be vaccinated. However I am also strongly of the mindset that vaccination is the way out of this. As a country we are doing better as we have more people with more antibodies and part of that was July 19 freedom day. The numbers are comparable to last year but hospitalisations and deaths and nowhere near. That, to me, shows that vaccinations are working very well. Of course our amazing Doctors and Nurses now know how to deal with Covid better but still those without vaccinations become more ill in many cases.
Your posts are very well researched and fascinating to read. Thankfully I don’t think we will ever have the push for mandatory vaccinations in this country.
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:30 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:maccydee wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:maccydee wrote:Ealing you do realise a lot of what you write is advocating vaccine uptake. Is that your intention?
My position has and always will be people need to make their own choice based on the available data and weigh that up for themselves as to what is right for them. Where I have always drawn the line is on mandatory vaccination - which I have been vocal against from the beginning. Sadly, those fears are now begining to be closer to being realised with the news out of Germany and Austria while the news out of Australia terrifies me if I'm honest.
If someone sees the data presented as supporting the case for vaccination great, to me that suggests that I've been able to remove my bias in the way the information is presented and offer the information in a manner that allows people to see the data without editorialisation and make an informed choice for themselves.
To be honest, I write as much for myself to go through that process as anything else as sadly I dont feel I can trust the media to that job anymore.
Case in point the article from the mail you shared earlier in the month that was a gross manipulation of the data (even debunked later in the same article) and only uses one data source and then twitter.
That is not credible reporting and the headline is shameless sensationalism.Yet sadly in this age, the headline is often the only part of an article people will read and such articles get widely shared.
I'd rather use multiple credible sources, try and lay out the facts in a non- partisan way as much as possible and let people come to their own conclusions.
To be honest I don't think there is much swaying people in either camp at this point mind in terms of whether to take the vaccination or not. I honestly think most have decided one way or another.
Where I do think there is an important discussion to be had still is with regards to mandatory vaccination.
Many who have had the vaccination have remained of the mind set that it should be down to personal choice which is great, however there are more than enough who state the vaccines should be mandatory and the reasons often put forward for this are largely built on the false assertions that the unvaccinated are either more likely to transmit the virus or that they will overburden the NHS.
The data presented in my previous post suggest both of these premises are either entirely false or at best still uncertain and that at the very least to me indicates there needs to be more open discussion and closer reflection on what would be a gross violation of what we all accepted as a universal human right to bodily automomy only a couple of years ago.
Sadly, we are not seeing that in Germany, Australia and Austria at the moment and I fear what comes next here and elsewhere.
Low vaccination rates (and infection rates) are causing these issues in the European countries you mentioned.
I’m a firm believer in it being someone’s choice if they have a vaccination. I vaccinate people and even at the last moment ask them if they are happy to be vaccinated. However I am also strongly of the mindset that vaccination is the way out of this. As a country we are doing better as we have more people with more antibodies and part of that was July 19 freedom day. The numbers are comparable to last year but hospitalisations and deaths and nowhere near. That, to me, shows that vaccinations are working very well. Of course our amazing Doctors and Nurses now know how to deal with Covid better but still those without vaccinations become more ill in many cases.
Your posts are very well researched and fascinating to read. Thankfully I don’t think we will ever have the push for mandatory vaccinations in this country.
Thanks Mac - I've got say your approach asking people if they are happy to be vaccinated as a final check is fantastic to hear and I salute you for that and thank you
I've always been an advocate that open honest discussion would be a better tool for convincing those that are uncertain of the vaccine than the blunt force of fear and authoritarianism.
Still, the line ends at individual choice on which I think most would ultimately agree with our shared position on that - certainly here in the UK, for now.
I have no issue with the COVID pass system either for the record as long as the option for those who are unvaccinated to supply proof of a negative test remains I think that is a sensible measure even as the virus moves to endemic status.
Ultimately, I think there are of course, many areas where we can all disagree and that is what should be expected in the world, but the line of mandatory vaccination is one that cannot be crossed lightly - certainly not at least without an open and honest discussion of what that means in terms of the fundamental tenets of liberty that personally I believe sit at the heart if everything we know and take for granted as a society.
Its balanced conversations, without tribal name-calling that will always find a best way forward and I thank you for adopting that approach as well.
Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:21 pm
maccydee wrote:It’s policy.
Absolutely there is some pish going on with the vaccination piece.
The one thing that absolutely sticks in my craw is the fact AZ is now not being used and Pfizer is. One is £15 and has had very little negative press despite the fact it actually has been found to bring on myocarditis (in very small numbers) vs the £1 vaccination which had less amounts of clots (subsequently similar numbers to the other one) yet had bad press all over.
Which one is the company making profit on and which one is non profit?
Stinks and Macron and Merkel were heavily involved with that.
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Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:16 pm
montyblue wrote:As long as people fly we will keep on carrying this disease around the world there may come a time where we have to go back to ships only and cargo only on flights before we inoculate the world another strain pops up and we spread it by flying.
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Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:52 pm
Big Hill Blue wrote:Omicron...anagram of " moronic".
Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:10 pm
montyblue wrote:THE HANGED MAN
This new variant overrides the vaccine the experts think
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Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:31 pm
maccydee wrote:Will this be the variant that ends the pandemic?
The experts have said that one day there will be a variant that becomes milder, they have actually said in South Africa it seems like this variant is a lot milder albeit in younger people.
Fingers crossed this might be the time we all look back on and see as the turning point.
Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:41 pm
piledriver64 wrote:maccydee wrote:Will this be the variant that ends the pandemic?
The experts have said that one day there will be a variant that becomes milder, they have actually said in South Africa it seems like this variant is a lot milder albeit in younger people.
Fingers crossed this might be the time we all look back on and see as the turning point.
Spot on, new variants aren't always bad news. However, until we know what it means all governments will continue to be cautious and take a safety first approach. Quite rightly in my opinion, within reason !!
Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:44 pm
maccydee wrote:Will this be the variant that ends the pandemic?
The experts have said that one day there will be a variant that becomes milder, they have actually said in South Africa it seems like this variant is a lot milder albeit in younger people.
Fingers crossed this might be the time we all look back on and see as the turning point.
Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:20 pm
A Quiet Monkfish wrote:maccydee wrote:Will this be the variant that ends the pandemic?
The experts have said that one day there will be a variant that becomes milder, they have actually said in South Africa it seems like this variant is a lot milder albeit in younger people.
Fingers crossed this might be the time we all look back on and see as the turning point.
The effect/consequence of vaccines is the emergence of new, less infectious, more transmissible variants. That's fine. What's concerning on two levels is the ramping up of the booster programme to 3 monthly intervals. Firstly, are we going to have needles in our arms every 13 weeks, and secondly, allegedly, this is to protect us against Omicron, from which we may well not need protecting from.
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