jimmy_rat wrote:Absolutely.
However, most people don't care enough to sign this. And they'll moan about all things wrong and still blame Boris. But they'll continue to vote red in Wales. (Insert facepalm emoji)
ThomasC wrote:What was packaged as Welsh 'freedom' through devolving power took a sinister turn. My opinion
stickywicket wrote:No chance. It's a good idea. We just need better politicians.
Who on earth would want to be ruled by the likes of Blair and Johnson?
Why not give the English a referendum on whether they want to carry on subsidising the Wales, Scotland and N. I.?
CF11 Rondo wrote:What result do you actually expect to happen if there was a referendum? Abolish the Welsh Assembly party got ~2% of the votes in the 2021 Senedd elections.
Sven wrote:CF11 Rondo wrote:What result do you actually expect to happen if there was a referendum? Abolish the Welsh Assembly party got ~2% of the votes in the 2021 Senedd elections.
That's not quite the same as an straight choice ballot, is it?
So what 'result' do you expect under your circumstances?
rumpo kid wrote:It should also state that if the Senedd remains, England stops funding Wales. Seems fair enough. Yes Cymru can draw up the new budget.
Sven wrote:CF11 Rondo wrote:What result do you actually expect to happen if there was a referendum? Abolish the Welsh Assembly party got ~2% of the votes in the 2021 Senedd elections.
That's not quite the same as an straight choice ballot, is it?
So what 'result' do you expect under your circumstances?
CF11 Rondo wrote:Sven wrote:CF11 Rondo wrote:What result do you actually expect to happen if there was a referendum? Abolish the Welsh Assembly party got ~2% of the votes in the 2021 Senedd elections.
That's not quite the same as an straight choice ballot, is it?
So what 'result' do you expect under your circumstances?
Of course it’s isn’t the same but that doesn’t just mean it should be dismissed. Do you think 48% of voters in Wales, who voted for a different political party when Abolish was an option, would then vote Abolish in a referendum? After nearly 3 weeks this poll is on ~2.5k signatures, the previous time this petition ran it gained less than 9k signatures before expiring.
There’s a government petition to have trains from Trowbridge to London with nearly 3x as many signatures.
I’m not sure what you mean by my circumstances but if you mean in a referendum then I’d expect “Keep” would get more votes than “Abolish”.
Sven wrote:CF11 Rondo wrote:Sven wrote:CF11 Rondo wrote:What result do you actually expect to happen if there was a referendum? Abolish the Welsh Assembly party got ~2% of the votes in the 2021 Senedd elections.
That's not quite the same as an straight choice ballot, is it?
So what 'result' do you expect under your circumstances?
Of course it’s isn’t the same but that doesn’t just mean it should be dismissed. Do you think 48% of voters in Wales, who voted for a different political party when Abolish was an option, would then vote Abolish in a referendum? After nearly 3 weeks this poll is on ~2.5k signatures, the previous time this petition ran it gained less than 9k signatures before expiring.
There’s a government petition to have trains from Trowbridge to London with nearly 3x as many signatures.
I’m not sure what you mean by my circumstances but if you mean in a referendum then I’d expect “Keep” would get more votes than “Abolish”.
Yes, I meant referendum and I think you'd be surprised at the numbers who have lost faith in WAG, if they had any previously
A 'swing' of just 2% would see WAG gone; not that they would ever allow the people to haveca say after Brexit...
Sven wrote:stickywicket wrote:No chance. It's a good idea. We just need better politicians.
Who on earth would want to be ruled by the likes of Blair and Johnson?
Why not give the English a referendum on whether they want to carry on subsidising the Wales, Scotland and N. I.?
I guess that's the debate; but I would add that 'the English' had no issues stripping Wales (and other countries) of its assets over many years
A properly run 'Welsh Office' (still in existence) would suffice and the politicians running to would be of a far better standard, have more credibility and at least be answerable for some of their incredulous decisions
A 'free' Wales would struggle in any stretch of the imagination; unless it aligned itself to the EU once again which makes it no better (and potentially worse) than being part of the UK
Just my opinion, of course, and I will say that not everything WAG (nee Labour) have done in Wales has been bad; but I believe that overall they have not been 'value for money' and my opinion is one borne out of experience and watching the the antics of a one-party Sendedd that considers its needy self rather than the genuine needs of the people, their jobs. security and well-being
welshrarebit wrote:All it’s done is cost millions more for new people do jobs previously done by people who still have the same jobs with less to do.
It’s given quite a nasty element of society an inflated platform to abuse anyone who disagrees with them. Just see what the yes cymru lot do on Twitter and the wales online pages.
It’s forced us to have bilingual correspondence if we want it or not.
A sensible option would be a central database where your preference is recorded … English. Welsh. Both.
It’s allowed people to force divisions between us and the rest of the uk.
It forces my children to use a gcse option for welsh language whether they want to or not. For clarity I don’t have an issue with it compulsory prior to national exams. But I do have an issue with it being compulsory for gcse. The argument is it’s good for kids to learn languages. Yep. So why does that language have to be welsh?
Oddly it’s allowed the nhs to be mismanaged by labour for 20 years yet the conservatives still get the blame for it. Those early years was completely managed by labour!
Covid is on one hand shining a light on it but because Boris clearly misjudged the situation in March 2020 he’s given mark drakeford free reign and when politicians get a sniff of power they start taking more. If he is “denied” it the optics are bad for Westminster so he basically cracks on.
welshrarebit wrote:Agreed jock.
If you dare have a dissenting voice they have an organised pile on against you calling you all the names under the sun.
No one has been able yet to explain to me what we need to be independent from. Boris? He will be gone soon. Tories? Wales isn’t as socialist as they think it is. There are a hell of a lot of people with non left wing views. All it takes is a charismatic leader and policies that chime with the electorate.
Wales has had control over many areas of policy for years and we still have major problems. I’m intrigued as to why even more power would make things better but with a smaller taxation base.
Bluebina wrote:Unfortunately at least half the Welsh population don't understand politics and most vote for labour because of the miners strike.
piledriver64 wrote:Bluebina wrote: and most vote for labour because of the miners strike.
Wow, are you serious So anyone who votes other than the way you want to "doesn't understand politics and " . How condescending
So people who vote for other parties don't do so based on historical recollections or old ties to parties ? If you think that you really are nothing short of deluded.
Given the other options available and how they are doing elsewhere your horrendous, insulting, generalisation doesn't really stand up to scrutiny does it ?
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