Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:33 pm
Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:37 pm
Danny Says wrote:In what world does any manager start Vaulks and Collins?
The pair were today predictably woeful with the consequence being City had in effect 9 men on the pitch.
I have been watching City since the early 70’s and am trying to think of players who are consistently picked being as bad as these two at this level.
Morison should never start with either or both of them again, and do his best to off load them in this window.
Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:39 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Danny Says wrote:In what world does any manager start Vaulks and Collins?
The pair were today predictably woeful with the consequence being City had in effect 9 men on the pitch.
I have been watching City since the early 70’s and am trying to think of players who are consistently picked being as bad as these two at this level.
Morison should never start with either or both of them again, and do his best to off load them in this window.
Who’d you start instead of Collins mate? He’s our only fit striker in that mould.
Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:43 pm
Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:45 pm
Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:15 pm
HarriRhys22 wrote:Both are very experienced Championship players unfortunately both like many others in the team are not playing well!
Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:23 pm
Danny Says wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Danny Says wrote:In what world does any manager start Vaulks and Collins?
The pair were today predictably woeful with the consequence being City had in effect 9 men on the pitch.
I have been watching City since the early 70’s and am trying to think of players who are consistently picked being as bad as these two at this level.
Morison should never start with either or both of them again, and do his best to off load them in this window.
Who’d you start instead of Collins mate? He’s our only fit striker in that mould.
That’s the managers job. He should know Collins is a waste of space so he should have improvised.
Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:31 pm
Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:06 pm
Danny Says wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Danny Says wrote:In what world does any manager start Vaulks and Collins?
The pair were today predictably woeful with the consequence being City had in effect 9 men on the pitch.
I have been watching City since the early 70’s and am trying to think of players who are consistently picked being as bad as these two at this level.
Morison should never start with either or both of them again, and do his best to off load them in this window.
Who’d you start instead of Collins mate? He’s our only fit striker in that mould.
That’s the managers job. He should know Collins is a waste of space so he should have improvised.
Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:29 pm
Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:44 pm
Danny Says wrote:In what world does any manager start Vaulks and Collins?
The pair were today predictably woeful with the consequence being City had in effect 9 men on the pitch.
I have been watching City since the early 70’s and am trying to think of players who are consistently picked being as bad as these two at this level.
Morison should never start with either or both of them again, and do his best to off load them in this window.
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:43 pm
Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:55 am
Bonner wrote:Collins such a good player.. don’t get the anti -Collins brigade.
Actually works a lot harder on pitch than Kieffer does .
Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:32 am
Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:01 am
AfricanBluebird wrote:Bonner wrote:Collins such a good player.. don’t get the anti -Collins brigade.
Actually works a lot harder on pitch than Kieffer does .
The problem with Collins is that due to the lack of pace and creativity and wide players, he finds himself dropping deeper and deeper and going out wide trying to get involved. He works hard but in the wrong areas... I think that is more of a reflection of how we lack pace / guile in the team, rather than his ability.
I am sure he would love to operate in the final third and make more meaningful runs and contribution in and around the goal... however, despite improved passing and possession, he still finds it difficult to get the ball.
When we brought on the subs yesterday and eventually formation (again too late if you ask me) then there were more balls being sent into the box which by that time Collins was knackered.
I think Collins, like Moore, are hugely suffering due to the lack of guile and pace around them so I hope that Morison addresses that before we judge them both too harshly. Collins has been pretty prolific in this division and even netted 13 last season.
As for Vaulks, he is a poor run of form and should be benched. Bring him on when we have our noses in front so he can kick people, get booked and waste time... but starting him is, in my opinion, is a very negative tactic... especially at home when you already have 5 at the back and two other defensively minded midfielders.
It's all very well Morison blaming the attackers for not scoring yesterday, but a little self reflection on his team selection and formation wouldn't go amiss!
Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:12 am
Crayfish wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:Bonner wrote:Collins such a good player.. don’t get the anti -Collins brigade.
Actually works a lot harder on pitch than Kieffer does .
The problem with Collins is that due to the lack of pace and creativity and wide players, he finds himself dropping deeper and deeper and going out wide trying to get involved. He works hard but in the wrong areas... I think that is more of a reflection of how we lack pace / guile in the team, rather than his ability.
I am sure he would love to operate in the final third and make more meaningful runs and contribution in and around the goal... however, despite improved passing and possession, he still finds it difficult to get the ball.
When we brought on the subs yesterday and eventually formation (again too late if you ask me) then there were more balls being sent into the box which by that time Collins was knackered.
I think Collins, like Moore, are hugely suffering due to the lack of guile and pace around them so I hope that Morison addresses that before we judge them both too harshly. Collins has been pretty prolific in this division and even netted 13 last season.
As for Vaulks, he is a poor run of form and should be benched. Bring him on when we have our noses in front so he can kick people, get booked and waste time... but starting him is, in my opinion, is a very negative tactic... especially at home when you already have 5 at the back and two other defensively minded midfielders.
It's all very well Morison blaming the attackers for not scoring yesterday, but a little self reflection on his team selection and formation wouldn't go amiss!
Agree with this 100%. Unfortunately I am coming to the conclusion that Morison is not very tactically astute. Yes he has got us playing passing football but ineffective passing football yesterday anyway. He is still stuck in McCarthy,s over defensive three centrebacks no width keep things tight mentality and when behind is too cautious with his subsistutions.
Don’t blame him for our problems that’s down to McCarthy but yesterday I got the feeling we would not score if the match lasted six hours.
Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:41 am
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:41 pm
1980s Bluebird wrote:Lets face it if it wasn't for the points deductions for Reading and Derby we would be in the bottom 3, cannot see anything changing apart from we do less hoofball. The players we have just seem uninterested. Not being a stato but what is our percentage of long throws into the box to goals scored from it?
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:58 pm
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:44 pm
Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:51 pm
Bonner wrote:Collins such a good player.. don’t get the anti -Collins brigade.
Actually works a lot harder on pitch than Kieffer does .
Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:56 pm
Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:09 pm
Crayfish wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:Bonner wrote:Collins such a good player.. don’t get the anti -Collins brigade.
Actually works a lot harder on pitch than Kieffer does .
The problem with Collins is that due to the lack of pace and creativity and wide players, he finds himself dropping deeper and deeper and going out wide trying to get involved. He works hard but in the wrong areas... I think that is more of a reflection of how we lack pace / guile in the team, rather than his ability.
I am sure he would love to operate in the final third and make more meaningful runs and contribution in and around the goal... however, despite improved passing and possession, he still finds it difficult to get the ball.
When we brought on the subs yesterday and eventually formation (again too late if you ask me) then there were more balls being sent into the box which by that time Collins was knackered.
I think Collins, like Moore, are hugely suffering due to the lack of guile and pace around them so I hope that Morison addresses that before we judge them both too harshly. Collins has been pretty prolific in this division and even netted 13 last season.
As for Vaulks, he is a poor run of form and should be benched. Bring him on when we have our noses in front so he can kick people, get booked and waste time... but starting him is, in my opinion, is a very negative tactic... especially at home when you already have 5 at the back and two other defensively minded midfielders.
It's all very well Morison blaming the attackers for not scoring yesterday, but a little self reflection on his team selection and formation wouldn't go amiss!
Agree with this 100%. Unfortunately I am coming to the conclusion that Morison is not very tactically astute. Yes he has got us playing passing football but ineffective passing football yesterday anyway. He is still stuck in McCarthy,s over defensive three centrebacks no width keep things tight mentality and when behind is too cautious with his subsistutions.
Don’t blame him for our problems that’s down to McCarthy but yesterday I got the feeling we would not score if the match lasted six hours.
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:47 pm
Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:14 pm
Danny Says wrote:Crayfish wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:Bonner wrote:Collins such a good player.. don’t get the anti -Collins brigade.
Actually works a lot harder on pitch than Kieffer does .
The problem with Collins is that due to the lack of pace and creativity and wide players, he finds himself dropping deeper and deeper and going out wide trying to get involved. He works hard but in the wrong areas... I think that is more of a reflection of how we lack pace / guile in the team, rather than his ability.
I am sure he would love to operate in the final third and make more meaningful runs and contribution in and around the goal... however, despite improved passing and possession, he still finds it difficult to get the ball.
When we brought on the subs yesterday and eventually formation (again too late if you ask me) then there were more balls being sent into the box which by that time Collins was knackered.
I think Collins, like Moore, are hugely suffering due to the lack of guile and pace around them so I hope that Morison addresses that before we judge them both too harshly. Collins has been pretty prolific in this division and even netted 13 last season.
As for Vaulks, he is a poor run of form and should be benched. Bring him on when we have our noses in front so he can kick people, get booked and waste time... but starting him is, in my opinion, is a very negative tactic... especially at home when you already have 5 at the back and two other defensively minded midfielders.
It's all very well Morison blaming the attackers for not scoring yesterday, but a little self reflection on his team selection and formation wouldn't go amiss!
Agree with this 100%. Unfortunately I am coming to the conclusion that Morison is not very tactically astute. Yes he has got us playing passing football but ineffective passing football yesterday anyway. He is still stuck in McCarthy,s over defensive three centrebacks no width keep things tight mentality and when behind is too cautious with his subsistutions.
Don’t blame him for our problems that’s down to McCarthy but yesterday I got the feeling we would not score if the match lasted six hours.
Another example of his naivety was a second successive game not being able to change the formation against 10 men.
I see no reason why a back 5 is the norm these days. It would be different if we had the players capable of being effective but plainly we don’t.
I say give Sang a go in central midfield and Bowen who played in the development team last week.
Anybody but the terrible Vaulks
As for Collins the sooner Moore and Watters are fit the better.